User talk:Roskr

November 2023

Hello, I'm Maxim Masiutin. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Yan Petrovsky, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Please add references to support claims about persons, see WP:BLP for more details. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Maxim Masiutin, if only you checked attentively the mistakes of the article being fixed by myself, you wouldn't have rejected the edits. Please be very careful next time, Wikipedia is a place with a strict policy regarding the truthfulness and reliability of the content posted, as well as the degree of its neutrality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view).

«Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous» - this is the way that we must act on false content, and not trying to interfere correcting articles in accordance with the rules of our community.

The mistakes I fixed do not add text (which would require citation, as you correctly noted), but remove false information that does not have evidence or references:

1. «Voislav Torden ... is a Russian-Norwegian far-right nationalist and militant» - no reference, this is purely speculation. Not a single evidence of this person ever proclaimed himself as a «far-right» or publicly stated such political views. Moreover, this common mistake was highlighted already in a reliable media, such as «Kommersant»: «В свою очередь, представители россиянина обратили внимание “Ъ” на то, что одновременно с его арестом в Финляндии и других странах была развернута целая кампания, чтобы показать его и участников «Русича» некими неадекватными нацистами, совершавшими военные преступления. При этом они отметили, что Ян Петровский, ставший Торденом, является националистом в прямом смысле этого слова, но не имеет никакого отношения к нацистским группировкам».

The word «far-right» here, as in the whole article, is unsourced and libellous, must be removed.

2. «Yan Petrovsky is designated as the commander of the Zimargl detachment» - with reference to the publication of «Gazeta.Ru», which in part of what was said refers to the telegram channel of the Group. But such posts do not exist in the telegram channel (easy to check), which means that the article initially indicated an error, which requires correction.

3. «…in 2015 he explained he came to Ukraine to fight against "Khazar kaghanate", a synonym for Jewish conspiracy» - the link to the «Meduza» text to which this piece of text refers does not have any information about the connection between “Jewish conspiracy theories” and Yan Petrovsky, saying only as vaguely as possible that «поэтому среди русских националистов XX—XXI веков «хазарский каганат» употребляется в антисемитском контексте». But this is only the personal assumption of the author of the article, in which for some reason he makes this logical mistake - he extrapolates a very controversial opinion about some people with such political views to absolutely all Russian traditionalists, which is unsourced and must be fixed.

4. «NRK also reports Petrovsky's participation in the Syrian civil war "as part of an far-right group" on the side of President Bashar al-Assad» - again pure speculation, based on the idea that no one would check the text in Norwegian. But the article makes no indication of Petrovsky’s participation in a “far-right group” in Syria. Only that a man supposedly similar to Petrovsky fought on the side of the country’s president against terrorists. Unsourced and libellous content, must be removed.

5. «During this period, pictures appeared on the Internet in which Petrovsky poses against the background of killed Ukrainian soldiers» - here we are talking about photographs taken on September 5, 2014, (https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5257138.html) in which Yan Petrovsky is captured with the charred corpse of a man in camouflage. However, that corpse is not a former Ukrainian soldier, but a far-right extremist from the neo-Nazi Aidar battalion, which was not the part of Ukrainian Army.

About neo-Nazism in «Aidar» from reliable sources:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/05/ukraine-women-fighting-frontline

https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604

So, the words «Ukrainian soldiers» must be changed with «neo-Nazi extremists» or «neo-Nazi militants» or at least «far-right combatants».

And many others mistakes here, which are still not fixed because you are preventing the article from being written in accordance with the rules and principles of Wikipedia. Roskr (talk) 08:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]