User talk:SZ standing

Flecktones rewrite

Hi - I won't revert your edits to Béla Fleck and the Flecktones again, but I am curious where you got this material. There were several things about it that looked suspicious (the magazine-like tone, for one). I couldn't verify your sources, either, as almost all of them are from archives that require a login. I'd appreciate it if you'd provide some clarification. Thanks! --Fru1tbat (talk) 13:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm a senior at Kenyon College and I'm taking a class on the history of jazz. For a paper, my professor had us find an article in the Wikipedia Jazz section and find a stub or a Start page and rewrite it. I rewrote the Flecktones page. A lot of my sources came through the library's research data base which is why you're having trouble viewing my sources. Should I post something on the Flecktones page or write something that would help to explain this? And if so, where can I find a place to post such information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SZ standing (talk • contribs) 05:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC) [reply]

Ok, I figured it may have been something like that. You may want to post something to the article's talk page just to let other editors know, in case they have the same questions I did. There are a few issues with your rewrite that will need to be addressed. For instance, lines like "The tour must have been a success" sound like inferences (i.e. original research), which need to be sourced, restated, or removed. There are also a bunch of formatting issues - you may want to look at the Manual of Style. I may try to fix some of these problems. If another editor decides to revert the article again, though, you should probably discuss on the article's talk page before making another attempt. --Fru1tbat (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing. If any text was copied directly from your sources, even if you cite them, it's still a problem. See WP:COPYVIO and WP:ASSIGN#Plagiarism and copyright infringement. The opening paragraph has that long quote from Fleck that starts "I met Howard Levy at the Winnipeg Folk Festival in 1987, Fleck said in a recent interview." It's fine to copy the actual quote, but considering the quote was in an article in 1992, the interview obviously isn't recent today, and that makes it pretty clear it's copied. --Fru1tbat (talk) 12:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So I see what you're saying about the inference and stuff. The line you questioned, about the Fleck interview, "I met Howard Levy at the Winnipeg Folk Festival in 1987, Fleck said in a recent interview." the part "Fleck said in a recent interview, is still part of the quote, that's what the guy who wrote the article said. The quotes being italics things really threw me off, so I took all them off. I was trying to make a block quote, or put that quote in its own box as other Wikipedia articles do sometimes, but I could not figure out how to do this. Also: wrt to the whole plagiarism thing: are all the quotes plagiarism, or are the quotes that are from the sources that you can't get to plagiarism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SZ standing (talk • contribs) 15:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC) [reply]

I'm also not really sure what you mean by how the 'Tone' of my article does not adhere to Wikipedia policy. Could you elaborate on that please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SZ standing (talk • contribs) 15:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC) [reply]

You have to determine which ones might be plagiarism, since I can't get to the sources. I would suggest that if that entire paragraph is copied from the newspaper article, along with the article author's original text (like "Fleck said in a recent interview"), you should remove anything that's not part of Fleck's actual quote. I'm not saying you can never quote writers, but in your case, you've already prefaced the paragraph by indicating when and who said the quote - why do you need to include text from the article that states the same thing, was another writer's original composition, and is outdated ("recent interview") as well? (I see you've already fixed this while I was writing) Even that long a quote might be considered inappropriate by some editors - see WP:COPYPASTE and WP:QUOTATIONS. I already added blockquote tags, but I didn't change the text.

As for the tone, see WP:TONE. It's slightly more subjective, but I would point to phrases like "this album fit the bill", and "the tour must have been a success" (which I already changed). Encyclopedic tone is (unfortunately?) very factual and somewhat boring ("businesslike", the guideline says). Again, it's subjective, but when I read your rewrite, some parts sound a bit like a magazine article or retrospective (frequent uses of the word "would", for example). Just my impression.

--Fru1tbat (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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