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Nomination of The Bootmakers of Toronto for deletion[edit]

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Changes to WP:QC[edit]

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Nomination of The ErlKing (film) for deletion[edit]

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Shawn, if you come across another one in future just ask me to db-author it. You need not template prod a colleague.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Sure, if you like. I didn't check to see who'd created it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Can you explain this to me? Peacock words in my understanding are essentially weasel words which belie a bias. It is a subjective bias. In the case of award-wining - it does not imply bias, it is an objective fact. I must be missing something. This seems like a WP:COMMON right? You can stay in the Wikipedia minutiae all day but someone or something that wins awards is by definition award-winning. TheWarOfArt (talk) 02:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Serge Lamothe[edit]

Hi Shawn, you questioned the accuracy of Serge Lamothe's article over the reliability of the information about his nationality. Born Canadian, Serge Lamothe is currently living in France. He acquired French citizenship in 2003, as he mentioned on his official Website. See: Thank you. Millepertuis ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:16, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Accusation of vandalism?[edit]

What was the cause and purpose of your accusation of vandalism, made and then removed from my talk page?

Dkendr (talk) 19:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Thank you for the clarification and explanation. I assumed that the category was valid based on the existence of other, similar categories but if the community holds otherwise then it should be deleted. Dkendr (talk) 20:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Churchill's Island[edit]

Check out new changes. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Shawn, when you screen the film online, the second title card credits: "Recorded at Association Screen Studios, Montreal" which is likely the studio that producer/director Stuart Legg used for editing. At the time, the National Film Board was in its infancy, and often would sub-contract work out for expediency. When I researched Banshees Over Canada, another documentary in the Canada Carries On series, Vancouver Motion Pictures, a local production house had been used to supplement the work of the National Film Board. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. And that's a little bit of interesting early NFB history that I was not aware of. If I can find a ref, I might try and add it to the NFB main article. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

The Defender[edit]

Now for something really surreal ... I hosted a visit from Bob Diemert and Chris Ball last year at our local chapter of the Canadian Aviation Historical Society in Winnipeg. There was some apprehension that screening The Defender would make them uncomfortable, but nothing of the kind occurred. Both men enjoyed the silly parts in the documentary along with the rest of the audience and were kind enough to participate in a forum at the conclusion of the film. Rather than being the doofus duo as they were portrayed, they were able to lead the discussion on aviation design, and respond to all questions from a decidedly knowledgable crowd. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:31, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I've seen the aircraft sources where the aircraft was called "Diemert Defender" but cannot be sure that was its actual name. The first prototype, at least, was always referred to as the "Defender". Yes, there were two different prototypes made, both now abandoned at Friendship Field, Carman, Manitoba. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:50, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
See Talk:The Defender (1988 film). FWiW Bzuk (talk) 09:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Categories, sub-categories, and the like ??[edit]

I could say, like Blanche DuBois, "I don't need no stinkin' sub-categories", whoops, wrong movie. She really said "... I depend on the kindness of strangers" or words to that effect, so thanks.

"Stinking badges"! (which BTW, has got to be the oddest meme in movie history). Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:31, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Bush Pilot: Reflections on a Canadian Myth[edit]

... and another film that I know well. See what you think. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:17, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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Another way around[edit]

See: talk. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Rosies of the North[edit]

Waaay less controversial, and another one from my NFB aviation film festival. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, none of your film articles are truly controversial: you should see what sorts of non-notable films get unsourced articles. The stuff about naming and category year, in my opinion these are truly minor details, and I hope you won't be too disappointed if things don't go exactly as you would wish. As I've mentioned, categories like films by year are really more for organizational purposes than navigation: all 1999 films share nothing in common, usually, except for the happenstance of coming out in a year. The best way to steer readers to a given article is internal links, and I've added some for your articles, as you know. Well-linked articles get to the top of Google search results, and clear lead paras. like the kind you write get reproduced in Google's Knowledge Graph synopses (eventually). Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
As Rick Blaine said in Casablanca, "Shawn, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship." (At least, I think that's what he would have said.) FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:13, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I quite agree. Now, I've added links to this article from both Rosie the Riveter and Canadian Car and Foundry. Internal links are very important, and if I can think of other relevant incoming wikilinks -- or if you can -- they should be added. It's the best way to get eyeballs on an article, both within Wikipedia and via Google's search algorithm. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:17, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I've also added reciprocal See alsos between this documentary film and its US equivalent, The Life and Times of Rosie the Riveter. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
You might also look up The Story of Willow Run (1945) on IMDb, where the "real" Rosie actually was identified for the first time. I was at a museum last year in Ypsilanti, Michigan that had a room dedicated to the Willow Run operation (called Will-It Run at the time by naysayers). FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Train Busters[edit]

Now for a real mishmash of stock footage, from pilots getting into one fighter aircraft, taking off in another, and attacking in a third different aircraft. I have to guess, however, that those continuity errors would probably be lost on the average viewer. I once wrote an article for a book on film mistakes and I used the dreadful Midway as a similar example. I have never seen anyone else comment on that film's lack of authenticity. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:06, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Re: Tragic Story with Happy Ending[edit]

Hi there. Thanks! You did a pretty great work yourself on Tragic Story with Happy Ending and expanding Kali the Little Vampire. I think I remember reading somewhere that Tragic Story was the most awarded Portuguese film ever; I'll see if I can find a reliable source for that.--Cattus talk 21:16, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. But I just found a source I think is reliable, it's an interview with Abi Feijó (who should definitely have an article, he's THE name in Portuguese animation) saying just that. I'll add it to the article.--Cattus talk 21:37, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
And I just found he was involved in making the film, so now I'm not sure if he can be considered a reliable source for something like that. What do you think?--Cattus talk 21:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
That seems like a good idea. The source is this: [1]. It's not a major publication, it seems to be a local (Porto) site with mostly small interviews with people, some of them seem like they would meet notability requirements, others not so much. Maybe the source in the Regina Pessoa article could be used.--Cattus talk 23:27, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
I just found a reliable source (a national newspaper) that calls it "one of the most awarded films in the history of Portuguese animation". It's not "the most awarded ever of any type", but it's better than nothing...--Cattus talk 23:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Aces: A Story of the First Air War, Birth of a Giant[edit]

Thanks. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

The Great Air Robbery ‎, The Skywayman, Ormer Locklear, Canada's Air Defence, Sky Bride, Destination 60,000 ‎, Men Against the Sky, Above and Beyond (miniseries) ‎, Zero Hour!, Flight for Freedom[edit]

My next volley. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Good... god. Volley is right!!! Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Please help - they are questioning the notability of PsyMontreal again[edit]

Hello Shawn,

I don't know if you remember me, but 2 years ago, you help me establish the notability of the "PsyMontréal" article, and you supported the article by WikiProject Montreal/Quebec/Canada.:éal

Unfortunately, "AndyTheGrump" just now is questioning the notability of the article ("The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted."), despite the fact that there had already been a discussion about this, and that notability had been established...

Can you please help us out again? I really don't know what to do about this...

Thank you very much in advance for your time and consideration!

JMDDO123 (talk) 22:51, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Death Hunt[edit]

See revision. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:32, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


I didn't want to name names, but you can review my recent contributions to find out. I'm just wary of editors getting too comfortable with having attitude. I think we (WikiProject Film) can be one of the brighter corners of Wikipedia for the most part, and I hope we can keep that going. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 17:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry[edit]

To you and yours


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Think we got a DYK? :) CrowCaw 01:16, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Your AIV Report[edit]

Hello, I went ahead and replied here. I do think something needs to be done about the user, but to me I think that his edits lie below the threshold of clear-cut vandalism. Let me know if you have any questions/concerns about how best to proceed. NativeForeigner Talk 11:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

  • WP:DUCK, is all I need say. He's been indef blocked by someone else. For vandalism. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:22, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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What'cha think[edit]

about this... the longest article I've written to date and a fine way to wind up 2014: The Centrifuge Brain Project.Face-smile.svg Schmidt, Michael Q. 22:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I did see this earlier. Bloody impressive, is what I think! Great job! I've added a few more relevant categories. One small note: do you think you ought not to remove the redlink to the fictional Institute for Centrifugal Research? It's not likely to ever be independently notable, no? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

On the Beach[edit]

See revision. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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As far as I can tell, a few of the TV and digital categories are a bit different from last year — I've already had to split at least one of last year's TV program categories into two separate ones this year, for example. Muck away as needed. (And if you can find a source which actually lists which documentary and short film nominees actually go under which category — the ACCT's press release for those categories sucks mud, and just lists the films in an uncategorized and unsegmented mass list (grrrrrrrrr) — then that would be helpful too.) Bearcat (talk) 22:30, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Category:Hetrosexual Wikipedians[edit]

Hello Shawn in Montreal. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:Hetrosexual Wikipedians, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The previous discussion did not lead to deletion; rather, it was the fact that it was created by a sockpuppet. Let the new discussion run its course. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:19, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Weight of Chains[edit]

Hi, I prefer to go off the article talk page. I'm the editor who found and inserted the 'Srebenica' section of the synopsis. I won't tell you how hard and unpleasant it was to get that description in and to stay in (though known to be a contentious part of the film from day one). There are many OTHER claims in the film that some/many/most people would probably see as little better than conspiracy theories, but what 'some/many/most would probably see', isn't RS or neutral.

Best wishes, thanks for the interest, come back and see us some time (even if it does remind you of the most dysfunctional family you've ever met)! Pincrete (talk) 22:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Bloor St. Culture Corridor: did you check source before renaming and moving?[edit]

You changed the "St." in "Bloor St. Culture Corridor" to "Street" - does the naming convention for streets apply to proper names? This is a promotional organization. Looking at the their web site and various press materials, the predominant form of the name is "Bloor St. Culture Corridor." Although some instances of "Bloor Street Culture Corridor" do appear in the official materials, it appears clear that the deliberately chosen form of the name is with the abbreviated "St." which is what I represented in the stub. --Tsavage (talk) 23:38, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Why yes I did. I checked both of the reliable sources you placed on the article, Toronto Star and InsideToronto, and they both used the unabbreviated "Street." Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:48, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
    • Cool. I deliberately abbreviated "St." as that seems to be the primary form in the (cited) association's own web site, but they do use it both ways there, so it's not definitive.--Tsavage (talk) 03:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Identifying other use name using the template found at WP:MULTIPLE[edit]

Thanks for the advice about my old account name of letterofmarque. I created that name for privacy resosn when working for the government of Nova Scotia. Once I started university teaching and then changed jobs, I gradually started using my own name so my students doing Wikipedia articles could find me. I didn't pay much attention to the differences until you drew my attention to it. I have added a template and explanation to the user pages now. Hope that does the trick. Appreciate your diligence.Dan Conlin (talk) 23:12, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Golden Village et al.[edit]

Thanks for starting to work on the CCinBC article; and about Golden Village, I had put in it and Metrotown and to a lesser degree Coquitlam Centre as areas that were foci of Chinese commerce, and got a "citation needed" tag and a claim that it was original research; the existing pages weren't even looked at; elsewhere a statement that there was a Chinese community at Kensington and Sperling in Burnaby, based on some census data apparently; there is no such thing, I know that intersection it's completely residential and adjoins the overpass to the Sperling Skytrain station, there's not even a Chinese grocery there (and those were historically on every 3rd streetcorner in Vancouver and in Burnaby too; just as likely to be Indo-Canadian these days); and is if all of Vancouver and much of Burnaby weren't "a Chinese community" throughout.....

That being said your film link seems more suited to the Golden Village article; this page should be general coverage of Chinese society and history in BC, not an assemblage of everything from bibliographies/filmographies to randomly-pastiched data without context and masses of sociological/political-cultural critique from obscure academics and without any reference to history beyond the narrow lens of modern academic literature; there's lots of films about Chinese life in BC out there; we can't have sections on them all, no?

Just occurred to me while writing the following, what you added could be transferred into a footnote, if the bit I'd added about Golden Village and Metrotown got removed, as threatened, if it was not cited, then it obviously needs re-adding; I'm not sure the article about it was ever even looked at. Blinkers-on is like that. But as a cite, your item used as a cite/footnote should quell that objection to Golden Village's presence in that article, though as noted it's about a film about Golden Village....though definitely proves it's a "centre of Chinese commerce" or however I'd put it (the neighbourhoods surrounding No. 3 Road and the malls lining it are not necessarily purely-Chinese either; same as with Coquitlam Centre; though in the Metrotown area and Yaletown it's a given.

Golden Village being Chinese is obvious to a Canadian, and particularly a BCer, but that just ain't good enough for some folks, particularly ones who demand cites for every statement of any kind.

That an attempt to exclude by cite-challenge Golden Village is a demonstration of the lack of familiarity with the subject that has so many gaffes in the writing I won't comment further as I have enough already on the CCinBC talkpage and elsewhere. Once a lot of the clutter and op-ed POVism (which repeats the same material already elsewhere in the article and is mostly from one source only - Yee) is cleaned up and the article more readable it obviously has a place in the overall narrative of the article - including that it's not considered as "Chinatown" and in no small part because of the historical proper name of Chinatown in Vancouver itself (Richmond had had one, adjoining Steveston, by the way); no more than Metrotown or Oakridge or, these days, much of the Upper Levels of West Van and North Van....Skookum1 (talk) 12:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi nice to have another Canadian on board who sees the problems with this article and actually cares enough to work on it (2 or 3 I know don't and take it out on me because I do). Have a look at what I just did before going to bed and note the inline comments added, and that several passages are repeated nearly verbatim in different sections, with the same sources and no attempt to source from local media on many things where there's lots more coverage than in the academic sources that have been fielded/claimed as superior to all others.
There's still more of the "so-and-so, who is a professor at such-and-such, says in his/her paper/book/whatever" to be removed and much more very bad English composition to be fixed, and repetitive bits consolidated into something actually readable as good English, not point-form compilations of academic data; particularly the disjointed historical population figures; there's also yet lots of "Chinese men" and "Chinese persons" and "White [sic] persons" and more that could just be "Chinese" or should be "European Canadians" especially if the census is the cite. A table might be the best way to consolidate some of that; all of it was I'm sure just put in as padding to try to justify a Vancouver vs BC split.
There's a lot to be fixed in the way of bad writing as well as re NPOV - and a lot of junk that's just extraneous when not simply trivia, or repetition of trivia; that long passage detailing areas where Chinese populations are and contains repetitions, with page-cited refs for each repetition, of "Chinese are found throughout [Greater] Vancouver". Sperling and Halifax? I know that spot well, it's no more Chinese except in headcounts than any other part of Burnaby or Vancouver... how many times does someone have to cite the obvious that one good cite could provide, without needless neighbourhood detail; this is not titled "geography of Chinese populations in [Greater Vancouver]" nor is there call for such an article or content huh?
I'm going to bed, I live in Cambodia now and it's 12:48 am and I've often stayed up late trying to deal with all that has gone on about this article (including defending myself from a campaign to "deal with me" because I "interfered with" someone's "choices"). If you'd care to go through and consolidate repetitions, may be remove the Vancouver-centric subsections re Education and such which "enable" those repetitions, and fix the cases where "Chinese men" and "Chinese persons" can be simply "Chinese" or as applicable, "Chinese miners", "Chinese [railway] workers", "Chinese labourers", "Chinese merchants", "Chinese students" etc that'd be great; otherwise I'll try to get to that on my next edits sometime in the next 48 hours; along the way taking out the "ethnic Chinese" usages (unless they were in quotes, maybe I did remove one of those; there were seventy-eight in total) while also fixing a few very badly constructed sentences and fixing phrases like "the Vancouver Chinatown" with "Vancouver's Chinatown" etc.....bad English is one thing, see my talkpage's section on "Francophone Schools" to get an idea of the mentality I've been trying to deal with all by myself for far too long. Glad to have you on board; I think I recall you've lived in BC no?Skookum1 (talk) 17:58, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I didn't realize you were in Asia now. That's great. As for working more on the main article myself, I'm sorry but I really have been working mainly in the film area these days -- as well as doing some gnomish work on some recent articles about Chinese Canadian film and book articles. There's so much room for improvement when it comes to the culture history of Canada, and Chinese cultural history in Vancouver -- which doesn't even have its own category, yet. So I have to respectfully decline your offer to become more involved in the main article. Now, that said, I see that your recent efforts to improve the article have not been contested, either on the article talk page or the edit history. So it seems as if you do have consensus to go ahead and address the tone and synth issues you've outlined.... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:25, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I'd say more "tolerance" than "consensus", as that latter devil of a word has been largely used to condemn me and agitate to block me (in this case as so often before) by those who won't read my posts and take offence at them for their length; disrespecting me while claiming I disrespect other editors for expecting them to read the explanations of the issues and the procedural warfare that's been used in place of good-faith discussion and collaboration; see my recent comments on Viriditas' and Moonriddengirl's talkpages; Viriditas wanted me to focus on the page-cite issue, I repeated my longstanding contention it is only a red herring to obstruct work on the article and the introduction of more balanced and better-known sources which cover details in a way that the academics rarely do; and suggested I pick another topic to write on and work it towards a GA or FA (which is all about format technicalities and not about quality of content or NPOV); so instead I just took the bullshit by the horns and set at about the weed-whacking and so far haven't been molested in the course of doing so. So far, that is.....those who dislike me and others who have axes to grind will no doubt find something to drag me to WP:ANImal Farm again but per Viriditas' and Carrite's suggesestions to just ignore such procedural games, which are not a court and I am not required to testify, and have learned through bitter experience that it is not a constructive forum in any way; and a place which has given "consensus" a dark tone to me; informed consensus is one thing, but when it is only about editors/conduct and not about content issues then it is in violation of NPA, 99 times out of 100, more like 999 out of 1000.
Seeing consensus claimed about what a guideline says when it does not and when discussion boards are claimed to have approved/mandated something when they DIDN'T is par for the course these last few months; TheMightyquill has come forward to help quiz me about what sources and issues need addressing, so I am responding to him and have had a bit of time to go through all the massive dross in the article and start examining and descontructing and editing it for quality and NPOV: there is much to be done yet, and most BC editors out there have long since gone, with Franamax now dead, also, there's not many people informed about the subject matter, and a lot of interloping on guideline claims/rule-mongering by people with no familiarity with the subject nor any apparent desire to learn about it...'nuff said. My view is that those people who get all uppity about "walls of text" are subtextually complaining that it makes their brains hurt to have to think and perhaps don't understand a good deal of my vocabulary......"I don't like him, he makes me feel stupid" some of my friends get from others they know, to which a common reply is "he can't make you be stupid" or "well, you are.
That being said, I'm stunned at the marked contrast between the very negative comments about what "Whites" felt about and did to the Chinese from the academics and the sino-political historians like Yee; vs books like this which give very sympathetic and detailed coverage of Chinese life and customs in BC; there's two chapters in there, one on a Chinese funeral and another on a house servant and his family that are both very edifying and illuminating, and in very sharp contrast to the tone of commentary about "Whites" by Chinese authors. At the moment I'm looking for a certain account of early goldfields disputes with Americans, to counterbalance the one excerpted/cherrypicked item about Americans repelling Chinese back onto a steamboat near Hope, which was SYNTHed by the author cited to assert [all] Chinese were afraid of staking claims because of violence from [any] white men; the Governor's and Begbie's and the constabulary's response to such violence, which took teh Chinese side and asserted their rights to mine and live peacefully, are not mentioned in that source, and have been hotly contested by the person seeking to keep such facts out of the article. For what motive I have various notions which I've mentioned elsewhere, but for now won't explain, just plug at it; and may get to some Chinese Canadians bios much in need of doing, and also some noted on Talk:Indo-Canadians in British Columbia and Talk:Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver, which shouldn't be two articles but any attempt at a merge discussion will get buried in "walls of text" and were I to respond it will be me who gets drubbed for that "wiki-crime".
Anyways thanks anyway and yeah that's a good bit you came up just belongs on the Golden Village page.
By the way you've seen the AMNH rel-release of Curtis' In the Land of the Headhunters huh? If not.....Skookum1 (talk) 08:22, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Language Matters with Bob Holman[edit]

Sean thank you for your edits to this page. I was just wondering maybe you could start a page for it in French.Masterknighted (talk) 17:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for getting my Vertovs properly Dzigad! YellowFratello (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Marcy Page[edit]

No worries. All your edits were great. Thanks for cleaning up my work. =) I just stumbled upon her name last night and was amazed at her career. I was evening thinking of submitting the article to DYK for the front page, though I've never done that before. I wish I could find out a little more basic bio info, like citizenship and date of birth, but didn't see anything online. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 15:51, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes, I'm not sure if she took up citizenship or not. There may well be have been something about her in the local papers here. Let me check... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
    • @Themightyquill: No, nothing I can find -- including French-language media. Unfortunately, there's been two weekly arts papers in English that have folded, and it seems like their archives are now inaccessible. Personally, I'd be leery about trying for a DYK with this level of sourcing but it's your call, of course. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I had the same thoughts. Oh well, at least the page exists. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 16:08, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Correct category?[edit]

I am trying to confirm a secondary source states the documentary "Into the Cold: A Journey of the Soul" is the same film as "Alone on the Ice" as listed on PBS. You placed the Category:American Experience onto the article for "Into the Cold" on 18:18, 6 August 2014. Was this a mistake? Mitchumch (talk) 22:48, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

  • If you compare directorial credits, they're not the same film, no? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

A belated thanks![edit]

I missed the edits you made to Sex Garage, but I did want to thank you for going in and doing some cleanup and fixes. I have a question: do you know if the building (that hosted the venue) is still standing? I'd love to be able to add some pictures to the article. I'm going to try to reach out and talk to the photographer, although I don't know if the photo can be uploaded with any copyright that would give us permission but not give anyone else permission to use the photo. I'm not very familiar with that process. If she's interested, is it OK if I point her in your direction for additional help on uploads? I'm really only familiar with uploading film posters and book covers. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

  • I figure I can upload it in a similar manner as with the image at Keshia Thomas, as that upload marked it as non-fair use but I want to make sure that I do this correctly. Heck, I'm still not sure if I did the Thomas image correctly. It hasn't been tagged yet, which is a good sign. I just figured that since the photos were pretty important that it'd be good to add them. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:19, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I'd not heard of this establishment until your article -- I don't go out that much -- but let me try and find out. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:31, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I've talked to the photographer and she's not adverse to uploading a photo but she doesn't want to give up her copyright for the images. Do you know a way to get around that and upload the photo without it harming her copyrights? Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:00, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Sisters in Arms[edit]

Hello Shawn in Montreal. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Sisters in Arms, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The redirect is not broken. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

White: A Season in the Life of John Borden Evans[edit]

Hi Shawn, and thank you for the clean up work. I tried finding more information but there is very little out there, as you know this is or might be frequent on short films. However, "White: A Season in the Life of John Borden Evans” won first prize on the Richmond International Film Festival. Shouldn’t that be sufficient evidence of its transcendence? Looking forward to your reply, and thank you again Wikimench100 (talk) 07:22, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

why do you think the election will be cancelled?[edit]

You reverted something that was absolutely true. Why? With two months and a week's worth of vacation between now and the dissolution of parliament, why do you think it's unreasonable to say that the summer/fall election won't be cancelled and put off until 2016, '18 or maybe even '32? Could you show me where and when a bill repealing the fixed term election act could be introduced and passed between now and the middle of next month. Please?!?!?!? Could you please tell me how something like that could happen without causing a maximum amount of damage to the Canadian Constitution and driving the media into a frenzy not seen since the Proroging crisis of six or seven years back?Ericl (talk) 00:32, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Of course I don't think it will be cancelled. No one does. As soon as you can find a WP:Reliable source that gives a date, we can change it. But that likely won't happen until the writ is dropped. Please see WP:CRYSTAL. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

HI, Shawn

i saw my content being nomination in deleting list. i would like to inform you that i love writing especially in telemarketing industries. i have been researched for several telemarketing industries in various countries such as; Canada, USA, French, UK, Belgium, Netherland includes my country Indonesia. I seen that this industries is interesting and i want to create topics telemarketing development encyclopedia about it for several countries on wikipedia.

i believe that it is not promoted content based on great references and i have research and seen telemarketing encyclopedia on wikipedia page. please help me to save my content from deletion list pages

thanks for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nopirosyadi (talkcontribs) 02:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Thanks for looking over the article and editing the citations. I will add to the article and include more citations. PSanchez (talk) 14:18, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


Dear Shawn,

We are a non profit, we are only seeking to educate others about the work we have done and our future goals. Please help me understand what I did wrong again? I did put links to articles about an award we won but no websites. I am utterly confused and not sure what I did wrong this time? I hope you can help me. I am afraid I am not very good at technology as well. Thank you, Kristina (Kristina Applegate (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC))

They're baaaaaack.....[edit]

Some people never give up. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nopirosyadi --MelanieN (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks Melanie. I'd been patrolling Special:NewPages and AlexNewArtBot/CanadaSearchResult expecting to see something, but missed this one. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Can't imagine how we missed those two - when we were trying to salt all the permutations. --MelanieN (talk) 15:14, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
@MelanieN:, how do I tell as a non-admin if it's been salted, other than doing a word search on the RPP rolling archive? I think that if I click on the redlink and the wiki doesn't automatically give me the option of (re)creating it, that means it's been protected -- right? Right now, I can't even open the redlinks to see if the RPP archive links to it.... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
If you click on the redlink it WILL give you the option of creating the article. But then when you choose to "create the article", it will show you the previous deletion history and a notice that the title has been protected. If you click on a redlink that never had an article, then you won't get any notice AFAIK. The RPP archive won't probably help you since most of these were protected without ever being listed at RPP. --MelanieN (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
BTW here's another company the sockfarm had been working on. I didn't realize this until I looked more closely at the checkuser results:
5-26-15 Toitures created by User:Abimanyu33, speedy deleted 5-27-15
6-1-15 Toitures Du St Laurent, created by User:Bayu Antasari, deleted 6-1-15 per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toitures Du St Laurent
As far as I can tell those were the only two attempts for this company, but you might keep an eye out for it in your patrolling. --MelanieN (talk) 15:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm aware of the connection, thanks. In fact, I'd proposed that the two SPI investigations be merged as Bayu Antasari and Nopirosyadi appear to be the same sockpuppeteer, but as is has often the case for me at SPI, it appears to have been ignored. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Bayu IS listed in the checkuser results for Nopi so they are confirmed the same. --MelanieN (talk) 15:45, 11 June 2015 (UTC) Oh, actually, I see you pointed that out. I guess nobody picked up on it. --MelanieN (talk) 15:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
The only editor active at SPI who ever paid any attention to anything I had to say on the matter was @JamesBWatson:. I've pinged him in case he wishes to intervene, yet again, on the question of merging these two parallel SPIs (far as I can tell) for the same sockpuppeter. Maybe there's a reason not to. I would like to know why not. thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:53, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Shawn, I confess I tend to run away from things to do with sockpuppet investigations such a merging cases, because in my early days as an administrator I tried doing things like that, and found it all got into a mess, because the software doesn't treat links to older cases in the way I expected. I never fully sorted out what was going on, so ever since I have just avoided the problem by not touching them. Another point is that some sockpuppet investigations can take an enormous amount of time and work to deal with properly, and since there is always a backlog of cases waiting for attention, I tend to think that such time as I am willing to spend on them can be more constructively employed in dealing with another case from the backlog, rather than spending a lot of time on neatening-up of a case that has already been done. It may well be that there are other administrators who have similar reasons for avoiding the problem, which will explain why even cases which obviously should be merged very often get left. Having said all that, I agree with you that these cases should probably be merged, and I will try to remember to come back to it when I think I have time, which right now I don't. If I haven't done anything about it in a couple of days, please do feel welcome to remind me. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:16, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

And .... User:Drmies found another one. See User talk:Firdayantinia. That makes 14 by my count. You gotta love Drmies's comment here. --MelanieN (talk) 14:08, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

  • All in a day's work. BTW, that's some horrible English that's produced by your master. Huon wasted no time denying the unblock request. Also, Bbb23 sometimes finds room in their busy schedule to run a quick CU, which might be helpful. However, I learned on Tindr that Bbb is trying to master the art of the souffle, and may be kept busy for a month or two. I do admire their dedication and will be very proud when they finally manage to do one thing well. Alright, back to the Blancmange. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes they're not terribly hard to spot -- yet they had rather slipped under the radar there, somewhat, as a concerted spamming effort -- till James, Melanie and others took the bull by the horns. Thanks again to all of you, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:52, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


thanks for your help on that category! I replies to your note on the discussion entry for the California performance art category. good to have your input. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:07, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

speedily deleted- SARAR Participatory Methodolog[edit]

Hi Shawn,

Thank you for speedily deleting the page I had writted titled SARAR Participatory Methodology last week. I thought I could save as a draft and accidentally posted my article.

I wanted to check in with you and make sure that I can re-submit this article. After reviewing the rules again, I am sure that this article is not advertisting. I am a volunteer with an organization in Mexico called Sarar Transformacion. The organization uses the SARAR Methodology for their work, but the two are seperate entities.

SARAR Methodology could be compared to other similar articles on Wikipedia like CLTS and WASH (both are methodologies for working in the water and sanitation sector). There are dozens of published articles by third parties on the SARAR Methodology that I have found and will correctly cite in my revised version.

Please let me know if you have any tips or suggestions on how to proceed!

Thank you,

Lauren Amundson June 18, 2015 SararTransformacion (talk) 15:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

New to Wiki-Proposed deletion[edit]

Hi Shaun, I am new to Wiki. can you tell me why you proposed to delete page? Thanks Patrickmurphyus (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Shaun, thanks for your feedback. What happens next? Is the matter up for general discussion now? I think I did something wrong by deleting speedy deletion, apologies I didn't realize and only saw that bit afterwards! I also contested it and though I had posted it but then didn't know how to get that back!

Its a lot of hassle creating a page, I just wanted to create a page related to the person as he had recently passed away, but didn't realize it would create so much discussion or hassle! I wasn't really aware how it worked. I think the best thing is to delete and bow out of wiki gracefully!! Thanks Patrickmurphyus (talk) 18:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Thanks.. bro.. for yours contribution. Sadiqkhan79 (talk) 07:50, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


You may feel you've 'done your bit', but our friend Talentforfilm has been busy, whilst other articles may not be AfD candidates, they are certainly poorly sourced and promotional. I noticed Meharun Nisa and 1st Indus Drama Awards, before giving up!Pincrete (talk) 10:16, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi, I'm well aware of his article creation list. You'll see that I've nominated, tagged or edited virtually all of them. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:17, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Shawn, I'm looking for some help creating a new article for and (Canadian Association for Rainwater Management and the American Rainwater Association) Rather than creating a username and declaring my conflict of interest for the article I thought I'd reach out to existing wiki editor that can help creating an association profile.

Thanks Alex Passini (talk) 15:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry but I'm not the slightest bit interested in creating these articles. Others might be, though. No offense. best of luck, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Re: Meru (film)[edit]

Thanks for your edits on this new article. I wonder, though, if Mount Meru should actually link to Meru Peak instead? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Universal Science Fiction[edit]

Hello. Just thought I'd let you know I finally did find a reference for these filmsThe Science Fiction Film Reader pp 69_96, too late for my purpose. But maybe I can save the USF template from deletion. No hard feelings. Inkwell765 (talk) 17:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of "Kousik Madhav"[edit]

The page is in half way completion and has to be updated with the information gathered. Buddybrainy (talk) 13:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

And i am new uploading to wiki. So have to go through all the requirements u ppl neaded Getting the suggestions i am updating them according — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buddybrainy (talkcontribs) 13:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)