It's best to provide an edit summary when undoing a controversial or debatable edit to a page, such as the addition of the emo genre. This will help explain your reasoning to other editors and avoid edit wars. :) kiac. (talk-contrib) 12:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The sources in the article that are intended to verify that Paramore are an alt-rock band are not reliable. Thus I removed the sources and the project template. A full explanation is on the talk page. Please refrain from re-adding the project tag until reliable third party sources can be found on the subject for the article. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- As I stated on the article talk page, unreliable sources need to be removed. There are no exceptions. As it would be unrpoductive to revert your edit again, I leave it up to you to remove the sources. Also note that you reverted some edits that cleaned up the article, particularly pertaining to WP:OVERLINK. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I already reverted my edit and restored the edits relating to over-links, I'm not into edit-wars (I mostly watch over recent-changes to prevent vandalism), but the article still should be in the scope of WP:ALTROCK, because even pop-punk and Emo are related(and derived) from Alt-rock.T.tyrael (talk) 10:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, I notice you recently reverted my edits to the members of Paramore, which I redirected to the main band article. Please take the time to read WP:MUSIC (specifically WP:BAND), which states that
Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article.
In this instance, the members of Paramore do not meed the required notability guidelines to warrant separate articles, and so as per WP:MUSIC, they are redirected to the main band article. As far as "voting" is concerned, this is not required in such instances, and can simply be viewed as a WP:BOLD edit.
To explain this further, the only reason these individuals are famous, is because of their involvement with Paramore. To warrant a separate, independent article, the individual members would need to gain notability from some form of activity independent of the band, for instance, notable solo work. As this is not the case for any of the members of Paramore, they fail to meet the notabiluty criteria at WP:MUSIC and so their articles are redirected to the main article. This has been applied to members of various bands, including Tyson Ritter (and other members of The All-American Rejects, Jim Adkins (and other members of Jimmy Eat World to name just a few examples...
Please feel free to add reliably sourced information on individual members to the main Paramore article.
First of all thank you for taking the time to explain your edit (many people would have ended up in a meaningless revert-revert competition) I have read WP:MUSIC carefully, but according to "Criteria for composers_and lyricists" section: Josh Farro for instance has composed and written/co-written several notable Paramore singles (and this is well established and well-sourced). therefor he meets the WP:MUSIC criteria. also it says "5- Is frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture." and Farro for instance has been covered frequently in publications for alternative press and even emo sub-culture.T.tyrael (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. To answer your question, Josh Farro is not first and foremost a composer or lyricist, he is a member of Paramore. The songs that he has contributed to the writing/composition of are performed by Paramore, and it is the band that receives the credit for these pieces not Farro. Additionally, these songs are not independent of the band. As a consequence, Farro has not gained notability for activity independent of the band and thus does not pass the notability guideline. However, the articles have not been deleted, you can still access the information that was there, so please feel free to add appropriately sourced information about each member to the main band article. Cheers, Nouse4aname (talk) 08:53, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
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