User talk:Utar/Archive 2010 and 2011

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Article Feedback Tool

Heya; saw your comments on the Article Feedback Tool talkpage. You might be interested to know that the Foundation is developing an entirely revamped version, which you can find at WP:AFT5. It's early days, but there's a fairly good sketch of where it's going. Give it a read, and if you have any ideas, comments or suggestions (good or bad) plonk them on the AFT5 talkpage and I'll relay them to the devs :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for that link. I am already on my way there. --10:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)

Awesome! Thanks in advance for your contributions - the more editors we get involved, the better. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Ideas posted (2539B :D ); so have a look. --19:29, 30 October 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)

Hey, I'm not complaining about the length! I get paid by the hour, after all :P. I'll get back to you in a tick once I finish RL work, specifically finding my phone (losing it has [long story] ensured I can't actually access my Foundation email account. Oops.) Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your great contributions :). Okay, we're holding a second office hours session on Thursday at 24:00 UTC (to allow East Coast editors to attend) in #wikimedia-office on IRC. If you have any questions or need help getting on IRC (some editors aren't used to it) drop me a line on my talkpage - I'd love to see you involved :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

It seems I got to that channel. I am not sure I will be there but I will try. It is a night from Thursday 3rd to Friday 4th, isn't it? --21:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)

Indeed! Hope to see you there :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 06:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for your participation in this week's office hours, dude :). The full logs can be found here, just in case you missed something or want to see precisely who said what. Re your idea for a centralised feedback venue - that's put in the plans, for phase 2 (which translates to "from January", in English ;p). I'll be posting a few topics of common interest on the talkpage soon, which will hopefully be thoroughly interesting. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

1. You are welcome.
2. So I wrote Centralised feedback in that table. Feel free to change it.
3. Thanks for link to that log. I read the whole part after I quited and now I have an another idea :D . I worte it on talk page too. --12:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)

I like the new idea! Or at least, the principle allowing for flexibility; I'll add it to my dev notes :). I've removed the centralised feedback bit from the table just until I confirm the devs are okay with listing it as "stuff we're actively planning on doing/further investigating" (yes, they've made statements. But I don't want to put words in their mouth :P). I'll explain the purpose for the table and a bit more detail now. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:46, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with that removing. I was confused with your words above: "that's put in the plans, for phase 2" and thought about it as of the official standing. So I wrote that summary but, if it isn't "official enough" :D yet, it can wait. --11:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)

I want to dot the Is and cross the Ts ;p. I'll drop them an email now and find out. I'm sure it'll be relatively uncontroversial and I can stick it in. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

"to dot the Is and cross the Ts"? What? Where? How? --15:50, 6 November 2011 (UTC), totally confused Utar (talk)

Oh, sorry, a Britishism; "to fill out all the paperwork and ensure nothing is missed, even tiny details". As in, to add the dot on to each i character, and to add the top bar (or "cross") the T. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, now understood. Nice one. --16:46, 6 November 2011 (UTC), not confused any more Utar (talk)

• Had a meeting with the devs yesterday; they've been instructed to look into ways to include a [feedback] link, and whether drop-down functionality is possible. If it is, they include it. Congrats! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 19:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks for letting me know. And especially for such a good message. --22:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)
• No problem! :). The next Office Hours session will be held on Thursday at 19:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office, btw. Give me a poke if you can't make it but want me to send you the logs when they're released - we'll be holding sessions timed for East Coast editors and Australasian/Asian editors next week, so if you know of potentially interested people in those areas, I'd be much obliged if you'd drop them a line :).. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I will be there. I will come maybe a bit later but can stay longer this time. I really don't know anybody from there - I am happy I know some editors from central Europe (and two Londoners :D ). And send me the logs, please, or at least show them somewhere visibly (AFT5 page). Thanks and see you there --23:02, 8 November 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)
    • Good point! I should link them from the timetable; hadn't thought of that :). If you know any europeans who might want to come along, do send them over. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Office Hours again

Thanks for coming along; once again, office hours for the article feedback tool. These will be held at 22:00 UTC this evening; logs from the last session can be found here. Hope to see you there :). I'm sorry it's taken so long to get back to you on your points; the wumph had last Friday off and I spent it tabulating survey results rather than mocking up logs and submitting questions and the like, so everything's a bit out of wack. We should be all back to normal pretty soon :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 05:21, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. I just wasn't able to be there; see you next time. And thanks for the log. --20:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)

No problemo. Want the one from the session you missed? Next session is 1 December, btw :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool newsletter

Hey, all! A quick update on how version 5 of the Article Feedback Tool is developing. I'm sending this to both newsletter recipients and regular participants, because I appreciate we've been a bit quiet :).

So, we're just wrapping up the first round of user contributions. A big thank you to everyone who has contributed ideas (a full list of which can be found at the top of the page); thanks almost entirely to contributions by editors, the tool looks totally different to how it did two months ago when we were starting out. Big ideas that have made it in include a comment voting system, courtesy of User:Bensin, an idea for a more available way of deploying the feedback box, suggested by User:Utar, and the eventual integration of both oversight and the existing spam filtering tools into the new version, courtesy of..well, everyone, really :).

For now, the devs are building the first prototypes, and all the features specifications have been finalised. That doesn't mean you can't help out, however; we'll have a big pile of shiny prototypes to play around with quite soon. If you're interested in testing those, we'll be unveiling it all at this week's office hours session, which will be held on Friday 2 December at 19:00 UTC. If you can't make it, just sign up here. After that, we have a glorious round of testing to undertake; we'll be finding out what form works the best, what wording works the best, and pretty much everything else under the sun. As part of that, we need editors - people who know just what to look for - to review some sample reader comments, and make calls on which ones are useful, which ones are spam, so on and so forth. If that's something you'd be interested in doing, drop an email to okeyes@wikimedia.org.

Thanks to everyone for their contributions so far. We're making good headway, and moving forward pretty quickly :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Office Hours

Hey Utar/Archive 2010 and 2011; another Article Feedback Tool office hours session! This is going to be immediately after we start trialing the software publicly, so it's a pretty important one. If any of you want to attend, it will be held in #wikimedia-office on Friday 16th December at 19:00 UTC. As always, if you can't attend, drop me a line and I'm happy to link you to the logs when we're done. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I should be there. --06:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC), Utar (talk)