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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 16:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ross Hedvicek[edit]

Several editors suggested nomination in RfC. Reason would be: not notable Wikimol 19:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC) (note: I personally decided not to vote either way, reasons follow Wikimol 19:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC))[reply]

  • Delete according to nomination. Brian G. Crawford 19:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I vote for keeping. The subject of the article seems to be notable enough to be a target of hateful campaign by some heavy-duty non-NPoV from Czech Republic. YanYeoman 19:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't vote - I decided to leave it to others. My thoughts on the topic
    • On one hand, in principle, I like to think about Wikipedia as about one project with different languge version. In an ideal utopic Wikipedia, every article would be in all langugaes. Czech Wikipedia community allready voted twice (I did not participated in the votes), and the article survived. As the topic is mainly Czech related and he is considered notable enough on cs:, I'd respect such decision in almost all cases. Other point is I personaly also think Ross Hedvicek is Wikipedia notable Not by wide margin, but notable, mainly because of spamming and trolling fame. IMO in an ideal asymptotic Wikipedia he would have an article. (And we allready have articles about famous trolls such as GNAA) One of problems is that "fame" is mainly related to Czech language, and hard to reference in English.
    • On the other hand, pragmatically, the effort connected to maintaince of the article, constant attacks on Talk:, etc ... make the "cost" of the article overwhelmingly improportional to its "value".
    • so, why I'm nominating it? 1) It has been suggested by uninvolved ediotors coming through RfC request 2) If the ultimate destination of the article is deletion, better delete it now, before more effort and time is vasted. On the other hand, if the result of AfD would be keep, the article will probably exist permanently, and the effort makes at least marginal sense. --Wikimol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Wikimol 00:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I attempted to summarize various claims of notability here. I'm inluding it here, as the presence of that information in the article is disputed / subject of an edit war. --Wikimol 19:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Doesn't appear to be meet Wikipedia:Notability. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Eternal Equinox. -- Kjkolb 04:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep – this is very good contrabalance against lies in cs:Ross Hedvíček, which no one who disagrees with Czech postcommunist clique may edit. -- V. Z. 08:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I think there could be an article about this person in English wikipedia. But this version is just advertisement for his book and to fight about the content of the article with Ross.Hedvicek, V. Z. et al seems to be only waste of time. --Radouch 09:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Radouch is the one who hade made NPOV about controversial topics at cs: impossible. En: is very lucky that his power doesn't extend here. -- V. Z. 11:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non-notable. The articles Hedvicek authored are really just blog entries. This page is little more than a battleground for a flame war that's spilled over from the Czech WP. --djrobgordon 20:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete -- Note the only "keep" votes are to 'balance' the author's dissatisfaction with the Czech Wikipedia. English Wikipedia does not exist to "balance" the Czech Wikipedia. If you have a problem with Czech Wikipedia, resolve it over there like a big kid. Non-noteable outside of Czech and certainly doesn't warrant an English entry.--MattShepherd 20:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not-notable for en:wikipedia. Cinik 20:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (and userfy per V. Z.'s request). Hedvicek is notable in Czech. I believe he is nn outside Czech. Agree with MattShepherd. Martinp 04:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC), who lived in Czech for a year.[reply]
  • Strong keep as inclusionist for keep. the article won the "election" in czech wikipedia, this person isnt "good" but notable --Nolanuss 17:58, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete because: (1) it is not that unique to have strong opinions on Czech politics as RH has, (2) maintenance of the article here is impossible (it is target of constant edit wars on Czech Wiki), (3) the article here edited by RH himself (user names YanYeoman, Ferdinand etc), (4) this vote already became proxy battlefield for the long war on Czech Wikipedia over V. Z.
    I would compare this vote to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Bowery (aka Baldrson), except that Bowery actually had (technology related) claims to notability than mere being a troll.
    If the page is kept it will become heated discussion forum and I do not think this is what WP needs. Pavel Vozenilek 21:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If your marxist friends stayed on Czech Wiki and did not start arguments here - it would nice and quiet around here. Ross.Hedvicek 21:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If Ross Hedvicek was polite... (unsigned comment by User:CHeese)
It got noticed, it resulted in edit war and these wars can take months and years (judging from the situation on Czech Wiki). To keep the ship afloat it is better to get rid of the page. Pavel Vozenilek 23:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I slightly disagree with the above representation of the history of the page. As at least one side was quite unwilling to fight in revert war, the page was reverted little (compared to real edit wars). The dispute soon moved to Talk:. There, the disscussion is poisoned by personal attacks by Ross and attempts to divert the theme to some complains regarding Czech Wikipedia, but it does neet seem it was succesful. --Wikimol 00:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If the result will be to delete, please move Talk:Ross Hedvicek into User:V. Z./Talk:Ross Hedvicek. Thank you. -- V. Z. 08:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I just want to point out that the fact that somebody is not known outside one country is not a deletion argument. Wikipedia is global in scope; the English version uses English to convey that global knowledge. The problem with the current article is that it doesn't make a good case for how or why he is famous in Czechia or among Czechs, beyond the "internet community", whatever that is exactly supposed to mean (Usenet? Forums?), or even within that community. Has he, for instance, been mentioned or interviewed in mainstream Czech newspapers or other periodicals? u p p l a n d 07:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some answers are in another version of article: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ross_Hedvicek&oldid=42129560 . Occording to my search he is mentioned in one of most popular newpapers Mladá fronta DNES only once as one of thirty signers of a petition in 2001. --CHeese 09:37, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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