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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 22:19, 4 April 2009 [1].

List of TNA X Division Champions[edit]

Nominator(s): WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!)
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I am nominating this for featured list because... I feel it meets the criteria. Been wanting to make it an FL for a while now since it is the only current TNA Championship that has enough champions to become an FL. It is reliably sourced to best I can. I can't find reliable sources for the weekly PPVs at the moment but if WrestleView.com will allow me to get to their results, which for some reason they've made off limits while they re-design their site, I'll add those into the list. I'll answer any questions rather quickly to speed this along; not a fan of long reviews. This is my first FL nomination just to state.WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 03:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to state that there is a problem going on right now with the title. The character Suicide, is rumored to be played by two people: Christopher Daniels and Frankie Kazarian. Reports state that Kazarian is injured and being replaced by Daniels. Though Suicide won the title this week, and we don't know who was in the match, since there is no reliable that states that Daniels was Suicide that night. The reports he took over the gimmick are around two months old. So, a few ips might edit the article based on rumors that he was the character on Sunday. If it is wanted I'll get the article protected.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 08:45, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Oppose/Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead
  • The championship was created and debuted on June 19, 2002 at TNA's second weekly pay-per-view event (PPV), which officially aired on June 26, 2002. -- (1)The (PPV) belongs after pay-per-view not after event (2)It should be clarified that June 19 was the date of the taping
  • The first paragraph lacks. It should state more about the history of the title, see other championship FLs (mostly the recently promoted ones)
  • That is all the history of the title. The only thing else that is major to the history is when the WWA International Crusierweight Championship was unified with it, but that doesn't change any champions. Nothing really big has happened to the belt over the years.
  • There has to be more history. How did it come about (like right after the company was established)? You could also note the unification.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:01, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well in TNA Year One, it is stated that the idea came along on the first day of weekly ppvs. During a Six Man Tag Team match, they got the idea that an x division would be great, the only problem is, that is the same day the first champion was crowned. Numerous sources, reliable and not, state it was taped on the 19th. So that I'm not sure about. Other than that, nothing too serious. Just a few vacant reigns and a unification is it. This title was seen as a pure title from 2002 to 2007. After that TNA lost focus. I'll mention the unification, that is covered by Solie.org.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 01:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reigns that were won on episodes of TNA's primary television program, TNA Impact!, aired on television two to nine days from the date the match was taped. -- If you don't take my suggestion above about the clarifying of June 19, then broadcast delay should be pipelinked to "tape" in this sentence or in the other one. This also needs a source
  • Reigns that were won on weekly PPV events aired either during a live broadcast or aired on taped delay up to 7 days apart. -- Did they really air live? In addition, this needs a source
  • No source, just stating the tape delay since the second weekly PPV was delayed. In addition the live boarddcast were part of the deal with TNA started the weekly PPVs. That they were supposed to be live boardcast each week. Sometimes they were taped. I could source this with TNA's Year One DVD release from 08, when they talk about the deal. I don't have the exact sentence though or the DVD. I only saw it once.
  • The inaugural champion was A.J. Styles, who is currently recognized by TNA to have become the champion after defeating Low Ki (Brandon Silvestry), Jerry Lynn, and Psicosis in a Four-Way Double Elimination match on the second weekly PPV. -- (1)No need for the real name in lists
  • As of March 2009, Suicide is the current champion in his first reign. -- this should be the final sentence
  • Styles currently holds the record for most reigns at six, as recognized by TNA. -- if its recognized by TNA, no need to state it, if it were vise-versa, then that would be different
  • The longest reign as of March 2009 is 182 days, which was set by Christopher Daniels (Daniel Covell) during his first of four reigns as champion. -- no need for the real name
List
  • Reign 15 should list Kaz first because his name comes first in the alpha
  • Reign 23, the part about Low Ki should be in the notes not in the wrestler column
  • All dashes need to be emdashes (the long one)
  • Most of the notes are not complete sentences and thus do not need full stops. Either reword them into complete sentences or reformat them with semicolons instead
  • Episode aired on June 21, 2007. --> Episode aired on tape delay on June 21, 2007.
  • Jim Cornette stripped Young of the championship after he won it in a controversial fashion. -->...because his win was controversial
  • The bolded content in the days held column needs an explanation in the key
  • Fixed.
  • Inconsistency with the naming of Final Resolution in December 2008 (the other has "Dec. 2008")
  • The colored row in the second table needs to be explained, see the other championship list FLC
References
  • TNAWrestling.com is not the publisher, "TNA Entertainment" is the publisher
  • SLAM! Refs need to have SLAM! Sports: Wrestling as the work--Best, ₮RUCӨ 23:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding sources, common sense isn't as applicable to content like such. How would Bill Gates know that TNA was taped live w/o a source?--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:01, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry dude, I got nothing. No source that states they are taped up to a certain number of days, or one that says they are taped at all. Just a bunch of spoilers. It is even harder to find results for weekly PPVs, so the same is out of the question there as well. If I put a fact tag next to them, would that be okay?--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 01:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Then citing the DVD like you stated will be the best thing to do.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 22:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Citing the DVD for what? If you are talking about the thought of making an X division I can, though I'm not sure it is true since they are saying they got the idea on June 19, but that means the belt was already created. For this sentence, there is nothing to source with the DVD.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 22:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In May 2003 before the professional wrestling promotion World Wrestling All-Stars closed its doors, then-champion, Chris Sabin, defeated WWA International Cruiserweight Champion Jerry Lynn, Frankie Kazarian and Johnny Swinger in a Four Corners championship unification match to unify the TNA X Division Championship with the WWA International Cruiserweight Championship. -- (1)Closed its doors is not encyclopedic, ceased operation or went out of business (2)Remove the the before professional wrestling (3)State whether the unification had an effect on this title reign.
  • Finished the first, the second, and questioning the third. Nothing happened to the title. It wasn't renamed, it didn't have a big effect on it. So, I'm not sure that should be stated. Because then I would just be saying, "which had for further repercussions" (a rough draft). After the title was unified the WWA died. Though I have no source for that claim since they weren't an american promotion.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 22:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The championship was created and debuted on June 19, 2002, the taping of TNA's second weekly pay-per-view (PPV) event, which officially aired on June 26, 2002. -- No need for the officially--Best, ₮RUCӨ 22:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now the names for the titles need verification by sources. In addition, my comment about the full stops in the notes column was not done.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I sourced one, the TNA X Title is a no brainer, and I could use a picture of the old NWA X Belt as the article picture to show that it was called the NWA-TNA X Division Championship, if that is okay. I thought I got the notes section finished. They are all complete sentences.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 01:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Defeated The Amazing Red to win the vacant championship. is not a complete sentence, request a copyedit of the notes. Also the image caption The TNA X Division Championship's design from 2002 to 2007 while he was named the NWA-TNA X Division Championship and the TNA X Division Championship. -- he was named?--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Already fixed. I went and checked. I'm going to add TNA's removal of the NWA to the lead. So after that, I'll ask someone. That must have been a typ-o. I wrote that pretty quick.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 01:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'll wait until all is done and well.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 02:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm done, everything is sourced and finished. To the best I know how to for a list article that is. Anything you want fixed just tell me, I hope to change that oppose to a support very soon.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 08:04, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Followup comments
Lead
  • In June 2002 when TNA began operations, the company executives signed a contractual agreement with the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) that allowed them control of the NWA World Heavyweight and NWA World Tag Team Championships. -- because both titles both have the NWA acronym, the first title should only have the acronym
  • TNA followed by changing their name to NWA-TNA, making them an official territory of the NWA in the process. -- (1)followed? Not the best word choice (2)place a [subsidiary] right after territory
  • When the X Division Championship was created, before the match to crown the inagual champion began, ring announcer Jeremy Borash referred to it as the NWA X Championship. -- (1)No need for the first part, start sentence with Before (2)Typo on inaugural
  • After this match, the title was renamed the NWA-TNA X Division Championship, being correct with the new name of the promotion and to the design of the championship, with NWA-TNA being on the center plate of the physical belt. -- correct -->corrected
  • In May 2007, the NWA ended their five year partnership with TNA; regaining control of the NWA World Heavyweight and NWA World Tag Team Championships in the process. -- same thing I said about the other the acronym above
  • TNA followed by creating the TNA World Heavyweight and TNA World Tag Team Championships, which were debuted on their online podcast TNA Today on May 15 and May 17, 2007. -- (1)followed? poor word choice (2)Same comment about the acronyms applies here (3)debuted -->unveiled
  • They also re-designed the TNA X Division Championship, removing the NWA-TNA from its plate; even though the title had been referred to as the TNA X Division Championship since late 2004. -- (1)Source? (2)removing the NWA-TNA what from its plate? (3)the semi colon should be a comma
  • Be consistent with the naming of the title, it should be X Division Championship throughout, except for places where it shouldn't
  • In May 2003 before professional wrestling promotion World Wrestling All-Stars ceased operation, then-champion Chris Sabin defeated WWA International Cruiserweight Champion Jerry Lynn, Frankie Kazarian and Johnny Swinger in a Four Corners championship unification match to unify the TNA X Division Championship with the WWA International Cruiserweight Championship. -- Now that you added more to the prose, this statement seems out of place, I would reformat the lead to maybe have the history in the first paragraph and squeeze this in somewhere appropriate. Consider splitting it into 2 paragraphs if you take my suggestion
Table
  • Everything should be right-aligned, including the dashes.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 14:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, I tried but some thing will just not go right. No pun intended.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 15:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay, now the paragraphs are too big. I recommend splitting them up into 3 or four paragraphs that are evenly split.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 00:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, I turned them into five even paragraphs.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 01:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This list has come a long way since I first review, as you can see ;). I can't support yet because I am very used to this list now and I also expand these types of lists, so by supporting first I feel it maybe COI. I will support once another reviewer gives it an okay, I hope you understand.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 01:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah okay, it is cool. Also, it being referred to as the TNA X Title since 2004, it covered by solie.org. Just thought to make sure that was covered.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 01:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"prior to "-->before

  • "After this match, the title was renamed the NWA-TNA X Division Championship, being corrected with the new name of the promotion and to the design of the championship, with the NWA-TNA logo being on the center plate of the physical belt." Very clumsy. This sentence should be split up.
  • "with TNA; regaining control"-->with TNA; it regained control
  • "They also re-designed the X Division Championship"
  • "Title reigns are determined either by professional wrestling matches" Semicolon after here.
  • "with different wrestlers involved in pre-existing scripted feuds, plots and storylines or were awarded the title due to scripted circumstances. "-->different wrestlers were involved in pre-existing scripted feuds, plots and storylines, or were awarded the title due to scripted circumstances.
  • "who is currently recognized by TNA to have become the champion after defeating "-->who became recognized by TNA to have become the champion after defeating
  • "Styles currently holds the record for most reigns at six"-->Styles currently holds the record for most reigns, with six.
  • In the key, the year ranges should have unspaced en dashes.
  • Can you center the "Reign" and "Days held" cells in the table?
  • File:NWATNAFirstXTitle.jpg has no source or author.
  • "List of combined reigns" Make the first and third columns (from the left) sortable. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thank you for your comments. If you have anymore they are welcome.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 01:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All are finished.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 02:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008
Question - Why can't this be merged into TNA X Division Championship? That article is very small at the present time, and I don't see why a split is needed. A combined article would still be a good FLC candidate, if that's a concern. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well this article was slipt a long time ago, plus the TNA X Division Championship article is a future project of mine. I'm working on it in a subpage at the moment. I plan to make a Good or Featured Topic out of all TNA's Championships.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 23:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To explain it in more detail. I wasn't the one who slipt it in the first place too get that out there, plus it is somewhat done for most wrestling title histories to make the articles not as long. Plus the X Title article needs alot of work at the moment and is a frequent target by vandals and ips. Also on the topic, the topic will be a good topic having all of TNA's current championships or maybe all their championships in their history, not sure at the moment. It will hold the TNA World Heavyweight Championship, TNA X Division Championship, TNA Legends Championship, TNA World Tag Team Championship, and TNA Women's Knockout Championship, with the main article being List of current champions in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 23:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I forgot to mention the X Title will have a format somewhat like the World Heavyweight Championship (WWE) article.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 05:35, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - As long as the main article is going to be made more substantial, I have no problem with this remaining separate. It's a long list to want to merge into a decent-sized article. With that resolved, I came here for a regular review, but quickly found myself having trouble with the writing. I'll be happy to strike the oppose at the very least when these are done, but for now I must oppose. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • "The championship was created and debuted on June 19, 2002, the taping of TNA's second weekly pay-per-view event". Add "during" after 2002.
  • "In May 2003, before professional wrestling promotion World Wrestling All-Stars forecloser". Add an apostrophe to Stars and please fix that unsightly error at the end. How did everyone here miss that?
  • Comma after "In June 2002"?
  • Change semi-colon after "the design of the championship" to a comma. Also, "with it having" is a noun plus -ing sentence structure, a subtle prose glitch. To learn about how to fix it, please see this guide.
  • Hyphen needed in "five year partnership".
  • "Title reigns are determined either by professional wrestling matches; different wrestlers involved in pre-existing scripted feuds, plots and storylines, or were awarded the title due to scripted circumstances." Reads poorly. I recommend "Title reigns are determined either by professional wrestling matches between different wrestlers involved in pre-existing scripted feuds, plots and storylines, or by scripted circumstances."
  • "or aired on taped delay up to 7 days apart." Change 7 to seven to match the other spelled-out numbers.
  • "The inaugural champion was A.J. Styles, who became recognized by TNA to have become the champion...". Needlessly wordy. Try "The inaugural champion was A. J. Styles (notice the space), who TNA recognized as their title-holder...".
  • Change Title History header to Title history per MoS. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Looks much better now. One more thing I wanted to ask about was the initials of A. J. Styles' first name. The usual naming convention on Wikipedia is to have a space between the two initials, and I was wondering if Styles' name should be like that throughout the list. Not something I'd hold up support over, though. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, I usually just write it the way the article title has it spelt. Never took that into consideration.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 21:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have never seen his name spelled with an extra space. I've only seen it with the standard English of no spaces between initials or no periods (i.e. his name is always either "A.J. Styles" or "AJ Styles", never "A. J. Styles"). TJ Spyke 22:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just found WP:NAMEPEOPLE, which states that while most articles use spaces between initials, there is no consensus either way. In other words, don't worry about it too much. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:19, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man
  • Comments and please ignore/forgive me for anything I may point out that has been discussed in this extensive FLC, I'm looking at the list with fresh(ish) eyes...
    • I'd prefer the belt img to be bigger and move the Bashir image into the next section.
      • Alright, the image is bigger. As for the Bashir image, it is in the lead to show the difference in belt design from the first to the second.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 18:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • What does (2) refer to against Kazarian and Michael Shane?
    • What does the + mean on the current reign? It would be worth having a "Correct as of date" at the top of the table so the exact number of days reign is correct per the date statement.
      • I thought I had a note for that. Anyway one is added now. As for your correct as of date statement, sorry but you've lost me. I don't know how but I'm drawing a blank of what you are saying.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 18:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • So when you have 14 days in there, it must have been 14 days on a specific date, like 31 March, so I'd write Statistics correct as of 31 March, 2009. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I don't know what good that would do, the reign is being determined by a template that counts the days, so it is correct. But I'll add what you asked for.--WillC 16:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Aha, didn't know you had a template doing that work. Fair enough, apologies, remove the "correct..." sentence and keep your neat template. All the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Your Suicide link points to a video game character, not a human being.
      • It is because two people are said to be playing the character and we don't know exactly who won the title under the gimmick. Seeing as the character was no wrestler's idea, it was the company's to take the gimmick from their video game to their tv show, the reign technically belongs to the character. We just decided to link to the character instead. More information is at the top of this page.--WillC---Joe's gonna kill you!!!) 18:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I still don't like that particularly. It still appears to me that the character is purely fictional, but what we need to say is that he is a real person, perhaps played by multiple people. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'll note that two different people play the character in the article, but I'm not sure who won the title at Destination X though.--WillC 16:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's all though. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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