Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/David Ben-Gurion proclaiming the Israeli Declaration of Independence

David Ben-Gurion proclaiming the Israeli Declaration of Independence[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 6 Dec 2020 at 11:41:08 (UTC)

Reason: High quality and an encyclopedic image
Articles in which this image appears: 1940s, History of Israel, Israel, Israeli Declaration of Independence, World War II and other 5 articles
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/Others
Creator: Rudi Weissenstein

Support as nominator – TheFreeWorld (talk) 11:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - exceedingly grainy, lots of dust specks, messy composition. Surely better photos exist from this important moment in time? --Janke | Talk 17:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Working on the second. If a better image gets pointed out, we can switch to that. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 20:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Janke, probably no better photo from this specific moment. The event only had only one photographer present, Rudi Weissenstein. You can read here some background info: "On the day of Jaffa's surrender, Weissenstein received an official invitation to attend the State of Israel Declaration of Independence signing ceremony the next day... Weissenstein was asked to keep the contents of the invitation and the time of the session a secret... He was the only still photographer invited to document the ceremony... and the historical photographs he took were published the world over."

Apparently not the only photographer - "Rudi was among the few photographers allowed to enter the hall and document the historic event" - my italics, see [[1]]. --Janke | Talk 16:30, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Having one of the pictures in high resolution is great. There are other angles like this, but I prefer this version, which is the more iconic angle. If we get the picture presented here in high-res, it should also be good. Tomer T (talk) 12:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose – Technically it's not a good photo of Ben-Gurion or anyone else. The photographer was too far away from the head table for the camera he was using (a Graflex?). – Sca (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sca: Based on the size of the grain, I'd guess 35mm, not large format. --Janke | Talk 20:03, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It would not pass on Commons, yes, but as I know, Wikipedia requirements are a bit different. The quality is not perfect indeed, but its just as good as it gets. Therefore, support. --Andrei (talk) 08:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support most iconic photo in Israel's history, in high resolution. Tomer T (talk) 12:13, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ Copyrighted (unless released by the photographer). The copyright would have expired in 1998 which is after the URAA date; the image is not free to use on enwiki since it is still copyrighted in US. (t · c) buidhe 19:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

!@Buidhe: U.S. Copyright Decree KT 365 established mutual copyright recognition between the US and Israel in 1953that went back retrospectively to 1948.There were no copyrights to restore, as they were already recognised. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 23:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

!Adam Cuerden Well, I can't find info on this decree online, so I'll have to take your word for it. Does that mean that all Israeli photographs whose copyright expired in Israel are free in the US, or is there some cutoff date? (t · c) buidhe 08:06, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]