Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:2007 swifts creek lawnmower races05.jpg

Racing Lawnmower Pan

Reason: Very good example of panning for motion - main object is kept sharp while the background is motion blurred.
Articles this image appears in: Panning (camera), Lawnmower racing
Creator: Fir0002

Support as nominator --Fir0002 10:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
comment If this photo is meant illustrate panning, then I think it is necessary that you mention the shutter speed and aperture. --AngMoKio (talk) 11:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- 200mm, f/5.6, 1/60s --Fir0002 13:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose IMO, this featured picture of the same function also illustrates panning. I don't see why we need to have another FP instead of adding the current one to the panning article. --Muhammad(talk) 15:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree - the other FP doesn't show panning particularly well because the lawnmower is coming towards the camera, an atypical situation for panning. This image shows a more typical parallel to camera pan. Also in this image the panning effect is much more pronounced (partly due to being parallel to camera partly due to a slightly slower shutter speed). --Fir0002 13:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This also appeareth in the Lawnmower racing article-have we considered it on merit for being an portrayal of that as well as considering the pan aspect of the picture? Lemon martini (talk) 22:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's because we already have an FP for lawnmower racing. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 01:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You should consider the merits of the image in each article independently. So if you thought this was had high EV in the panning but little in the lawnmower racing article (or vice versa), the requirement of EV is satisfied (ie you vote according to the usage in the article you feel is best illustrated by the subject matter in the image) --Fir0002 13:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral I refrain from voting on this picture because I'm not sure about EV. On lawnmower racing, the shot with 2 lawnmower and the finish flash is definitely better. On the panning angle, it could be used, but then so can many others pictures of moving object. So technically good, but not sure it adds greatly in terms of EV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksempac (talk • contribs) 09:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- But surely if it's a technically good image of panning then it has plenty of EV in that article? And I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better example of panning given that the subject is tack sharp and the background is nicely blurred... --Fir0002 10:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - We had a similar discussion when Ang proposed one of his racing car picture as a FP with many people disagreeing on what is the best picture to illustrate panning (chicken, racing car, motorcycle ? pick your favorite...). The panning article also reflects this with many picture switches over the years. So let's say I support this picture for the panning value only, we have 2 FP it's reasonable...but then next month someone else comes with a panning shot of moving object X and says it illustrate panning. What will we do then ? Put yet another picture in the panning article ? Start a delist war and see who gets the final FP status ? It's obviously a technical shot, i wouldn't be able to do it right, but the conditions to make such a shot are easily reproducible for a skilled photographer. I'm not trying to downgrade what you did, your picture is IMHO a lot better than the motorcycle FP (delist ?) but is it technically better than Ang's shot ? Not sure, and his shot has EV elsewhere. Ksempac (talk) 11:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus - without prejudice to renomination later: This was badly sidetracked. --Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 16:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how I'm supposed to do this, but I would like to respectfully oppose this closure. Sure I only put a neutral vote, but raised an important question that goes further than this picture. I would like community input on this question, and maybe then the vote will be easier for every one else. Ksempac (talk) 18:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- What closure would you suggest? Noodle snacks (talk) 09:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would suggest to leave it open till other people tell us what they think about the EV of this and others pictures regarding the panning technique. To avoid having each month a new FPC about panning. Ksempac (talk) 17:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think that it'd be better to take that to WT:FPC; we can renominate any actual images once consensus emerges, but, if Fir0002 isn't the one asking, I'm not willing to subject his nom to being the focus of such discussion. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Fair enough. :) Ksempac (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]