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This page should be deleted, as all these people, except Prince Henrik, are members of the House of Glücksburg, not the "House of Laborde de Monpezat" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.5.218 (talk • contribs)

You are completely wrong. If the House of Glücksburg was not extant in the original male line then there might be a case for that argument (such as the Bourbon-Nassaus of Luxembourg) but that fact of the matter is that the House of Glücksburg is extant in the male line and includes the Norwegian, Greek and British royal families as well as the Schleswig-Holstein ducal family. The Danish royal family issued from Margrethe II are agnatically Laborde of Montpezat. Charles 20:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I beleive you are confusing 'House' with 'surname'. So far, there has been no indication that the current heir to the throne wishes to change the name of the Royal House. So currently, there is no 'House of Laborde de Monpezat' in Denmark, nor any indication that there will ever be one. The subject of this aticle is therefore (so far) non-existant, and derives from one editor's mis-understanding of Royal protocols. It should be deleted accordingly. Indisciplined (talk) 12:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The House of Glücksburg is comprised of people who are agnates of one another. That does not include the descendants of the current queen of Denmark. Also, given that the title "Count of Monpezat" now exists it is certain that there is a house now as there was before. Charles 20:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently according to wikipedia articles the house of Frederik, Joachim and there descendants belong to the the House of Laborde de Monpezat. They are agnatically in line for the House of laborde de monpezat. When Frederik ascends the throne House of Laborde de Monpezat will be the royal house of Denmark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumutqueen (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This category is nothing but original research. The Palace refers to the family as Glücksburgers, so that will have to do for Wikiepedia's purpose. See also my post at [1]. The Danish royal families - Oldenburg dynasty and Glücksburg dynasty - have never been treated according to the Salic law. The Lex Regia expressly states that the family extends though both male and female lines, so the Salic argument is dead. Referring to Frederick and Joachim and their offspring as "House of Monpezat" is a Wikipedia fabrication. (WP:SYNTH). The position taken by the Palace is what is relevant, not the position of random editors on this website. Valentinian ^{T / C} 23:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wholly incorrect. The Lex Regia deals with the Danish territorial succession. It is not change anyone's house names. Seven Letters 03:12, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It does indeed refer to the Line of Succession, and it demonstrates that the Salic concept of the "House" isn't used in Denmark, but that a House is an extended family that also extends through the female lines. You did of course notice that the Lex Regia expressly refers to both male and females decendents as "Voris Kongelige Arffvehuus og Stamme" and "den aff Os needstigende Kongelige ArffveStamme", (Lex Regia §39 and §40), i.e. "Our Royal Inherent House and Tribe" and "it from Us decending Royal Inherent Tribe". The term House of Monpezat isn't used in Denmark, it is found on Wikipedia. In Danish historiopgraphy, the monarchs before Christian I are referred to as "Early monarchs" without any house. In some cases, they have been nicknamed the "Jelling dynasty", but that is not official. What is official is that the Palace refers the monarchs from Christian I - Frederick VII as Oldenburgers and to Christian IX and all his decendents as Glücksburgers. It is no different than Charles, Prince of Wales who is always referred to as House of Windsor although he will inherit through a female. Valentinian ^{T / C} 05:37, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The House of Oldenburg (Glücksburg's parent house) has existed for a very, very long time. I would ask you how Oldenburg came to be known as the royal house of Denmark... Because an Oldenburg inherited it through the female line and there was a change. The house as it is is extant and Margrethe II is not its heiress, she is merely an agnate. There is a Royal House of Denmark which comprises all of Denmark's dynasts but they are not all members of the House of Glücksburg. Charles, Prince of Wales is also an Oldenburg in addition to also being a Windsor... That is because the house of Windsor was created by a specific act and its membership extended by specific act. It is a modern invention postdating Oldenburg and Glücksburg. There have been no decrees stating that Frederick is a member of this house (he can't be, Margrethe is not the heiress when there are dozens of living agnates). I would suggest that you right to the royal court explicitly asking if Frederick is a member of the House of Glücksburg, which is agnatically arranged, and then scan and upload the reply you receive. Seven Letters 14:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not doing requests. If you wish to inform the Palace that you believe that their website is faulty and that Danish media/Danish historians/the man on the street systematically misrepresents the facts when describing the entire royal family as Glücksburgers, then by all means write them yourself: the relevant address is "Hofmarskallatet, Det Gule Palæ, Amaliegade 18, DK-1256 Copenhagen K, Denmark". That is the address of the Lord Chamberlain [Hofmarskallen] who is the point of contact for the Royal Family.

The transition from the "Valdemarian" monarchs to the Oldenburgers is important in Danish historiography, but that is because of Denmark's later history with rather troubled Dano-German relations. Christian I was a German, and - with a few notable exceptions (primarily Christian II and Christian IV), from Christan I till Christian VII, the Danish royal family was unable to speak Danish and perceived themselves as ethnic Germans. In contrast, Frederick VI identified himself as an ethnic Dane and spoke Danish, which was one of the reasons for that monarch's massive popularity. Given the German Feud [Tyskerfejden] purging German officials from the civil service in the late 18th century and the two wars in the middle of the 19th century, people naturally began playing the blame game and began looking for a point in time when the royal family ceased being Danes, and the ascension of Christian I is a nice date in that respect. You might also want to write the Ducal family at Glücksburg Castle, as last time I visited that place, a photograph of the current Danish royals was on prominent display in the exhibition of the family's history (the address is: "Stiftung Schloss Glücksburg, Grosse Strasse, D-24960 Glücksburg, Germany"). Valentinian ^{T / C} 19:48, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]