Talk:Anthropornis

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Disputed[edit]

Genus is not monotypic -> genus name must not redirect to species article. 213.168.105.126 (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed it to the best of my knowledge. Dinoguy2 (talk) 15:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

About body size[edit]

The size of Anthropornis on this page is unreliable. In this paper, body length of Anthropornis nordenskjoeldi is estimated 164.9-200.2 centimeters, but it is not standing height. Body length of penguin is the length of tip of beak to tail, so we can't say that penguin's body length is standing height. The same is true for emperor penguins. Body length of emperor penguin is 120 cm, but standing height is much smaller. Image is also wrong. Early penguins like Palaeeudyptinae should have a long beak. Not like emperor penguin. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 07:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The original image is better in my opinion. We don't compare animal; lengths to that of humans wearing flippers. Meters (talk) 07:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a problem with the original image then we'll fix it, but using an image of a human in flippers is pointless. Meters (talk) 07:18, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Similar charts that the user made are already used on several prominent pages such as Ichthyosaurus and Plesiosaurus. When measuring the size of a bird, it is not its height but its length, and in the case of penguins, it is the position when they are just swimming. Most of all, if it's inappropriate, it's best not to post it. However, the image currently in use is also quite misleading. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 07:28, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For now, it may have been best not to put any images. I would like to ask Slate Weasel for a stand-up version. I'm sorry for the selfish editing. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 07:48, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) If the current picture is wrong then either remove it or fix it, but I fail to see how the new image with a comparison to an image of a human wearing swim fins is of any use at all. It's not as if there is a standard length of swim fin that everyone uses, or as if the general reader would have any idea of how long a human would be wearing such fins even if there were such a thing as a standard length of swim fin. Might as well use an image of a clown wearing stilts for comparison. Meters (talk) 07:52, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I understand. For the time being, delete the current image and do not post a new image. Is that okay? I wasn't the one who created the new image. I recommend that you consult with User: Slate Weasel. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 07:58, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. Thanks for pointing out the problem with it. Meters (talk) 19:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Author of the swimming size comparison here. It is actually fairly common to use a diver silhouette in size comparisons for swimming animals (Megalodon, Great white shark, Blue whale, Libonectes), though it is also quite common to show the animal floating near a standing human (Albertonectes, Pliosaurus, Cretoxyrhina, Muraenosaurus). With regards to the swim fins, I have no idea how long they are here, the human is just scaled to normal human height disregarding them. I don't think that there's really a standard for human silhouettes in marine animal size comparisons, though I could start a discusion at the talk page of WP:PALEOART to see what other people from the project's thoughts on the topic are. --Slate Weasel ⟨T - C - S⟩ 13:30, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of additional note is that the image in question has already been vetted and approved on the WP:PALEOART review page, so I'm not really sure why the decision is being questioned now regardless. Pryftan213 ⟨T - 16:31, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are there good image of its fossil that is useable for Wikimedia? Anthropornis v1.svg looks good at first glance, even though it's actually highly inaccurate, so if there are no images, that image will continue to be added over and over again. I think it's better to have a fossil image than no image. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 04:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just remove the swimmer from the image with the silhouette of the animal. It is pointless to have a comparison standard that is of uncertain size, and even if it were of a known size it is redundant when we already show a meter line in the image. An image of an actual fossil would be fine too.

If similar images are in use on other articles then I would suggest making the same changes to those articles. Problems are problems, regardless of how many other articles have the same problem. And if this image was "vetted" then I am not impressed with whatever procedure was used to vet it. Meters (talk) 05:09, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is better to discuss the pros and cons of size diagrams with flippers at WP: PALEOART and see the opinions of other people. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 05:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do it if you like, but I have challenged this image on this page. Meters (talk) 05:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've commented there too since you had already made your post. Next time you punt a discussion to a different page it would be good idea to actually link to the page with the original discussion, don't you think? Meters (talk) 05:43, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]