Talk:Ashley Kirilow

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not a flash in the pan...[edit]

It is my opinion that Kirilow is not a "flash in the pan". It is my opinion that covering Kirilow's story has lasting merit:

  • her case is mentioned in the context of other hoaxes and the medical and funding cases of legitimate cancer sufferers;
  • new charges were recently laid;
  • her case is ticking along, and generating ongoing coverage -- albeit at a lower level;

I don't anticipate being able to do much more work on these notes, in November. Geo Swan (talk) 15:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

cases where kirilow was referenced...[edit]

  • "Ont. woman accused in cancer scam". The Londoner. 2011-11. Retrieved 2012-03-24. The case is one of several recently in Ontario in which fraudsters have attempted to solicit donations by faking cancer. The best known is the case of Ashley Kirilow, of Burlington. Ont., who pleaded guilty and received a 15-month sentence for fraud last year after she raised $12,000 on a bogus cancer claim. Kirilow shaved her head and eyebrows, established a phoney charitable organization and raised money, claiming it would be donated to cancer research in Alberta. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) mirror

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call for discussion[edit]

Hullaballoo Wolfowitz removed File:Ashley Kirilow, before and after altering her appearance to fake cancer.jpg with the edit summary: "nonfree image illustrating BLP infobox". Personally, I think it is best to reserve laconic edit summaries for truly obvious edits. Complicated or controversial edits merit fuller explanations, and I would appreciate HW returning here and explaining themselves more fully. Geo Swan (talk) 20:13, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've used the same basic edit summary hundreds of times over the last few years, and there doesn't seem to be any significant lack of understanding of it. WP:NFC#UUI#1 lists Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. Since the purpose of an infobox image is simply identification of the article subject, even an iconic image is replaceable. It's not an absolute rule, but the exceptions are pretty much limited to prisoners serving life or very lengthy sentences, fugitives, and the permanently institutionalized. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 18:46, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  1. It sounds like you are saying your concern would evaporate if the image wasn't in the infobox, but rather was placed near related text, in the body of the article, related to the image.
  2. FWIW, I don't think it matters how many times you have explained a concern before, I really think every edit should be understandable by another good faith contributor, without resorting to telepathy.
  3. For what it is worth, how would "a new free picture", replacing this one, be possible, in this particular case? Geo Swan (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you please make a greater effort to make helpful responses that would help your correspondents understand your concerns?
Your reply looks like a trigger to an edit war.
  1. You voiced a concern;
  2. I sought clarification as to the boundaries of your concern;
  3. Rather than address my request for clarification with a meaningful, substantive reply, you seem to be daring me to make the edit I wanted to discuss with you, and, once I have made it, you may then revert me, and only then you might explain the boundaries of your concern.
I do my best not to trigger edit wars, or to be triggered into an edit-war. I would appreciate you making a greater effort to avoid responding to questions in a way likely to trigger an edit war. Geo Swan (talk) 16:11, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Attempted edit- need of deep clean and reorganizing?[edit]

Newish editor- this page is in need of some deeper reorganization and editing- it's a little confusing in how it's written currently, and i'm not sure it meets notability requirements as set by Wikipedia. I understand through the talk pages that she's a med case for internet munchausen, but I also think it might be more productive to create a 'list' page of known prominent medical scams and their impact. From what I can read, even if she wasn't a one-off event, she was largely localized to Ontario(?)-- and certainly wasn't a Belle Gibson level grift.


This is a little above my paygrade, but I wanted to leave it here for anyone that was interested in digging into it and figuring out how best to approach this page. MerlinCat2 (talk) 07:05, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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