Talk:Back-to-the-land movement

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Social movement[edit]

I'm slightly unsure as to whether this belongs in Social Movements or simply Movements... —Preceding unsigned comment added by KyleRoot (talkcontribs) (03:47, 21 May 2005)

Seems to me it was a Social movement. Sunray 05:56, 2005 May 21 (UTC)

America-centric?[edit]

This article seems a little too North America-centric ; similar movements went on in other western countries. While the English language Wikipedia will obviously put emphasis on English-speaking countries, the article could use some more information on "back to the land" movements elsewhere. Surprisingly, there is nothing about such movements in the UK and Australia, let alone other developed nations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.53.14 (talkcontribs) (19:11, 30 June 2006)

Well, if there are other similar movements in other places to be covered, I'd suggest they be added rather than blended. The heading for the "recent North American instance" could be kept, with the info intact. Other instances could be added, with their own headings. This has been done with some other articles; for instance, I clicked on the link for the "Counterculture" article when I was in the Back to the Land article, and noticed that that was how it has been handled in that article. More info, rather than synthesis or condensation is good - because, remember, almost all Wikipedia articles are short by the usual encyclopedia standards. No reason to make them shorter and less filled with info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joel Russ (talkcontribs) (19:55, 30 June 2006)

It most definitely is a social movement. Sounds like many have an uninformed view of social movements--reform and counter-cultural movements are not the only kind. Some movements (new social movements) are based on lifestyle or spiritualism as their genesis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.48.116 (talk) 06:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

I recommend that this article be moved to Back-to-the-land movement since it is the movement and its philosophy that is being discussed. If there is no objection in the next week to this suggestion, then I will make said move. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 22:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Uninformed view of the movement[edit]

This is a highly uninformed entry. The back-to-the-land movement consists of several movements across differing historical epochs, with a variety of people represented in each. This movement is one not only of so-called radicals and counter culture, but retirees, Christian agrarians, amongst others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.48.116 (talk) 06:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced statement in lede[edit]

I removed the following from the lede because it was unreferenced and is completely outside the scope of the article:

It was also a policy adopted by a significant number of European policital parties of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, including Welsh Nationalists Plaid Cymru; a policy that sought to clean out the industrial city slums left over from the Victorian era, and improve the living standards of those trapped in the endless cycle of poverty that prevailed there. Its roots are in fact European and can be traced back to the Romantics and beyond.

I am not denying that any of this might be true, but the attitude of the anonymous user who added this information was that this is the "true origins" of the movement, with no citation to back up said assertion. He then went on to say "The name was adopted by American 'trendies', keen to jump on the hippy bandwagon, and largely ignorant of the roots of the movement. The following article is written by an ignorant trendy." I find such language wholly unhelpful and unencyclopædic. The article needs a great deal of work, including, but not limited to, information about the background and roots of the phenomenon, but the above information is not the way to go. Any thoughts? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 02:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


Causes of 70s back-to-the-land movement[edit]

I'd suspect that the Watergate scandal didn't play nearly as large a role as did the violent events of the late 1960s--riots (Watts, Newark, etc.), police actions (Jackson State, Kent State, Chicago Democratic convention), bombings, and so on. As the youth movement became more and more radicalized, more and more focused on bringing about the Revolution, getting out of it all started to seem like a very attractive option for more moderate activists.

65.213.77.129 (talk) 18:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Bolton Hall (activist)[edit]

See above for an earlier back-to-the-lander. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Tell us more about Bolton Hall. The article about him is just a stub, as yet. It mentions a book, Three Acres and Liberty — sounds like a 'back to the land' title. Did he do public speaking or publish other material about rural self-reliance? How much influence did Hall have?
He might be worth mentioning in the BTTL article.Joel Russ (talk) 17:55, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I wrote the stub about Bolton Hall, the activist, mostly because I was concentrating on Bolton Hall, the building. I really did find a mass of material about the man in the New York Times archives, more than I could find the time to navigate. Here is a link that mentions his back-to-the-land activities: http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/leubuscher-frederic_bolton-hall.html. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, I changed the article to reflect the above. GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)