Talk:Battle of Matewan

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Untitled[edit]

I moved this page from Matewan massacre to eliminate bias in the article title. Because all discussion at talk:Matewan massacre concerned the possibility of a move, I did not move the talk page.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.131.28 (talk) 20:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone rsesearched how the gun battle at Matewan was treated by the contemporaneous press?

- The state historical marker refers to "Matewan Massacre".
- The commemoration on the flood wall refers to "Battle of Matewan".
- The Matewan WV vistor website refers to "Matewan Massacre".
- The Matewan historical website refers to "Battle of Matewan".

Battle of Matewan is perfectly acceptable as an alternate to Matewan Massacre and does eliminate the bias or POV problems.Naaman Brown (talk) 11:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Company town?[edit]

In the lead sentence, Matewan is described as a "company town", meaning that the town was created by a mining company. Are there any source to support this claim? If not, then "company" should be struck from the description of the town. —Farix (t | c) 03:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Matewan is a coal town, BUT it was also a rail hub......I can get the refs if requiredCoal town guy (talk) 18:04, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Townspeople Killed[edit]

The little chart on the right indicates 3, but the article says four. What gives? And where are the citations for the actual "battle of Matewan" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.50.109 (talk) 23:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Myth and reality[edit]

This article will neded extensive review. I removed one false claim about scrip being the only form of pay for the miner, thats false LOOKY HERE....I will review and provide actual NON BIASED links in the near futureCoal town guy (talk) 18:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Resulted in a setback??????[edit]

So I looked at the resulted in descriptor: | result = A setback of Miners' rights until the early 1930s when the Government finally recognized American labor unions that eventually led to the passage of the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) of 1933

NIRA had no details on how to handle Labor strife and conflicts. THAT was handled in 1935 with a labor relations act. However, within the next decade we had another world war and being on a union for an industry that helped make steel was the equivalent of being a porcupine in a nudist colony. This article still needs massive reworkingCoal town guy (talk) 13:18, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of name?[edit]

Hello, I noticed an issue with the spelling of Cabell Testerman. On one of my sources, it is spelled Cable instead of Cabell. Which is the correct spelling? Here's the source where I found the other spelling. http://www.wvculture.org/history/labor/matewan03.html Scarysnake (talk) 19:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grave and marriage certificates do not clean up these answers. It seeems state government sources call him C.C. Testerman as that is what is on his marriage cert. His grave has it spelt CABLE but listed as CABELL. A contemporary newspaper from NC has Cabell and there's a wealth of documents available on ancestery so someone with an account should be able to settle this.--2601:545:C080:D380:A920:B057:64A4:D02C (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Success for Baldwin-Felts?[edit]

I'm never heard this talked of as a success for Baldwin-Felts, the victory was pyrrhic at best. They lost 7 a total of seven compared to the town's 3. I think there's got to be a better way to word this. 2601:545:C080:D380:A920:B057:64A4:D02C (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This article has problems and I will so tag. To begin with it is ridiculously POV. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 23:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality[edit]

I've tagged for neutrality and cohesion. There is insufficient footnoting too as well as original research. The section named "Conspiracy Theory" is problematic. The allegation concerning Hatfield shooting Testerman was made at the trial by the labor spy Lively. It is not a conspiracy theory but an allegation, and the wording of that section is not neutral. I have the well-researched 2020 biography of Lively, and will use that as a source for this article once I am done working through the Lively article. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 23:43, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is an old post but just chiming in to say I agree. There's seem to be a lot of undue weight given to the theory that Hatfield shot Testerman. But more importantly and clearly, it does seem like "Conspiracy Theory" is a terrible name for that section title. It is by all means not a conspiracy theory by any definition of the word. I would be curious to see what other editors might say. If you have any thoughts on how it could be improved, Figureofnine I would like to hear them. 76.189.133.64 (talk) 00:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the section "conspiracy theory" should be renamed. What would be a good name for this section? Or should the information in this section just be put into an earlier part of the article? It seems too small to deserve its own section. Cheers! DoctorMatt (talk) 02:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a few years and I've lost my train of thought on this whole subject. I'm going to have to go back and take a look. I see that there has been some editing and reframing. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 16:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to think what the best revision is here. I believe the "Battle" section should be re-structured some. I feel as though it abruptly goes on a tangent about the aftermath of the feud and the theory that Hatfield shot Testerman right in the middle of the description of the battle itself. These sections of text might be better suited for the Aftermath section, which does in fact already exist.

To that end, I think if the theory is sufficiently discussed in the Aftermath section, then perhaps an entire section dedicated to talking about that theory again might not be needed. If there's a strong belief that it's worthy of its own section, I would certainly think a title more accurate than Conspiracy Theory should be used. What that title would be eludes me at the moment, however. 76.189.133.64 (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just chiming in to say I took a stab at updating the discussed sections. I'm planning to take some more time and read through the sources to see if the content can be improved upon further.NamesAreNames (talk) 23:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That helps a lot, thank you. The sourcing is still not great, but we have to work with what we have. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 16:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]