Talk:Bob Casey

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was no consensus to move. Jafeluv (talk) 10:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Casey → Bob Casey (disambiguation) — Bob Casey, Jr. is the primary usage for Bob Casey. Of the incoming links, all but 2 refer to this senator. His father, who was also notable, primarily went by Robert (you will note the page for Robert points to him). This page should be moved to a disambiguation, Bob Casey should point to the junior senator, and that page should have the {{this|the junior Pennsylvania Senator|Bob Casey}} template. Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The article Bob Casey, Jr. is not much of a primary topic: it got 60% of the page views of the articles now on the dab page. --Una Smith (talk) 05:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article Bob Casey, Jr. is clearly a primary topic: it got 60% of the page views of the articles now on the dab page. And more importantly, it gets over twice as many views as Robert Casey, which is not even in conflict with the name Bob Casey, and it got 7 times as many views as the second most used name that is in conflict, the rugby player. It is never important to add up all the other page views on the dis page, it is only important to find the first and second most viewed and find the ratio between them, to determine if there is a primary topic. 199.125.109.99 (talk) 15:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Bob Casey (Sr.) was certainly known as Bob Casey during his lifetime and while governor of Pennsylvania. Perhaps not exclusively, but certainly notably. The thought that how Wikipedia refers to the two is proof in support of how it should refer to the two doesn't make much sense. Considering the senior Casey died nine years ago - and before Wikipedia was much of anything - and his article still gets a large number of hits should speak in favor of leaving things as they are. That Jr gets far more hits may be as much WP:RECENTISM as anything. Let's not use Wikipedia stats to determine notability, and hence appropriateness of such a move. Frank | talk 16:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Primary topic is not an issue of notability, but of navigation. In all cases people eventually get to the right article. The only question is how quickly. It would require more information than we have access to to know just how many of the people typing in Bob Casey are then going to each article, but it seems safe to change Bob Casey to being a redirect to Bob Casey, Jr., as the dis page has only one tenth the traffic of that page. 199.125.109.99 (talk) 17:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how that is supported...I think Bob Casey should refer more to the elder Casey at the moment. That's the point I was making about WP:RECENTISM - he was notable for longer and far earlier than Jr. Clearly we may get into a situation akin to John McCain (see John S. McCain, Jr. and John S. McCain, Sr.), but I am not yet convinced we are in a similar situation. Frank | talk 03:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Page views (per stats.grok.se) in 2009:

35825 Bob Casey, Jr. (born 1960), son of Robert P. Casey, Sr., current United States senator from Pennsylvania
15951 Robert P. Casey (1932–2000), former governor of Pennsylvania
5135 Bob Casey (rugby player) (born 1978), London Irish rugby player
1872 Bob Casey (baseball announcer) (1925–2005), former Minnesota Twins baseball announcer
1609 Robert R. Casey (1915–1986), member of the United States House of Representatives from Texas
25 Bob Casey (third baseman) (1859-1936), Canadian baseball player

--Una Smith (talk) 05:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.