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I looked for "clarion", came to an article about bugles, without any reference to clarions at all. That means I still don't know what a clarion is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.241.59.167 (talkcontribs)

See Clarion (instrument) for Wikipedia article. --Dbolton 08:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Bugle vs. Field Trumpet[edit]

The Naval Bugler pictured is actually holding a Field Trumpet not a Bugle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.64.192 (talk) 00:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The cornet is sometimes erroneously considered to be the "valved version" of the bugle, although it was derived from the French cornet de poste (post horn).[edit]

Perhaps, from a historical perspective, the cornet is not a valved bugle. However, from a musical perspective, perhaps it is not erroneous to consider a cornet to be a valved bugle. If it is erroneous, why is it erroneous.

Also, the concept of a "keyed" bugle is difficult for me to envision. Are there any pictures of a keyed bugle? Keys with regard to wind instruments, make me think of oboe keys and clarinet keys. In my mind, perhaps erroneously, it draws the assumption of tone holes in the body, rather than changes of tubing length.

Do (or did) the keys of a keyed bugle add or shorten tubing length, or do they make changes in the blowing length by changes in the instrument's surface.

My impression is that, a keyed bugle is a keyed cornet, from a non historical perspective. Unless a keyed bugle is a valved bugle, in which case, it would appear to actually be a cornet.

I seem to recall mention of Stravinsky wanting to use, or using a keyed bass bugle. That would suggest that it is NOT a cornet, unless it was just a lower pitch that he sought.

Anyway, after reading the articles on cornet, bugle, keyed bugle, and post horn, I still think a cornet is a valved bugle.

If I am wrong, I would certainly like to know why.

Thank you for the wonderful articles.

Ryo-17 09:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The article states that bugles have no valves, but how does one account for those used by modern-day Drum & Bugle Corps? Like the valve-less bugles described in the article, they are in the key of G, but they have 1 to 3 valves, depending on their age (the earliest ones having a single value, followed by models with 2, and eventually models with 3 valves which lower the pitch of the instument by the same interval as those on any other valved brass instrument). Additionally, Drum Corps bugles come in a variety of sizes- from the soprano (similar in size to the valve-less bugle pictured in the article) all the way to the contra bass, which looks similar to a concert tuba. They're all keyed in G, and all considered bugles...

Bugles and Keyed Bugles[edit]

I suggest that you contact two people: (1) Ralph Dudgeon, a professor at UNY at Cortland, dudgeonr@cortland.edu, who has written a wonderful book on the subject and who is one of the world's foremost soloists on the keyed bugle; and (2) Robert Eliason, roberteliason@verizon.net, now retired, who plays a variety of low brass instruments, including the ophicleide, and is a well-respected music historian.

User:Waynefc 14:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Valved Bugles[edit]

As keyed bugles began to fade from popularity, some manufacturers, such as E. G. Wright, Quinby and other makers in Boston (and elsewhere), added two or three rotary valves to the leadpipe while using a bell that was similar to that employed on a keyed bugle. These instruments, primarily in Eb, are sometimes referred to as valved bugles, although most would refer to them as rotary valved cornets. The modern flugelhorn uses a similar arrangement with piston valves.

Waynefc 14:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC) 14:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Keyed Bugles[edit]

There are any number of pictures of keyed bugles available on the internet. They have tone holes, keys and pads, much like woodwind instruments. Tuning was accomplished by the insertion of pipes of various legnths called bits or, later, by the use of a telescoping pipe adjusted with a vernier thumbwheel. Keyed trumpts were also manufactured and the Haydn Trumpet Concerto and another by Hummel were written for such an instrument. There is a separate article in Wikipedia for the keyed trumpet.

Waynefc 14:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Template[edit]

{{User Bugle}} For those who wish to advertise the fact. Expatkiwi 14:17, 21 Aug 2007 (PDT)

Metropolitan Museum is link spam?[edit]

I happen to think that the link added here is not spam. I don't think there's any commercial interest involved, and it seems useful. Granted, the editor has been adding a lot of Met links lately, but most of the ones I've looked at have been pretty specifically targeted, again calling into question the label "spam." Nice looking bugle, besides. __Just plain Bill (talk) 20:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

There are lots of pictures of bugles on the Internet. Does this particular picture have any special significance (worthy of a link from an encyclopedia article)? I do not think it does.--dbolton (talk) 04:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

More photos Drawings of BUGLES in history Please![edit]

Wish there were more photos/drawings of Historical Bugles in history,Decide/Dated,Sunset,PMTu.July21st,200921stCent.Dr.Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC>PINEAPPLEMAN (talk) 02:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Bugle (instrument)Bugle — The musical instrument seems to be the clear primary topic for "Bugle", getting several times the pageviews of anything else that could conceivably take the name. (And 16 of the 18 links from mainspace to the dab page now at Bugle intended the instrument.) Station1 (talk) 00:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

  • Support both. This appears to be reversing a move of February, 2005, which may have been undiscused. Either way, the musical instrument is the clear primary topic. Andrewa (talk) 01:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Support both. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 02:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Support both — seems logical. Airplaneman talk 02:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I've fulfilled the move request. Please clean as necessary with hatnotes, etc. - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 11:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


No Range Shown[edit]

The range of the bugle is not indicated in the article. Specifically I would like to know the playable notes of the unvalved military bugle but the article offers no information on this key feature. 99.2.69.235 (talk) 23:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC)