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April 27, 2006[edit]

Dear Folks, It would appear that the population figures for the city of Cherkasy, Ukraine, found under: Wiki > Cherkasy > Demographics , from 1970 to the present are missing their trailing zeros; thus reading ten times smaller that the accurate figures. This seems to be a typo, which i discovered during my studies of Chernobyl, as Cherkasy lies down river from Chernobyl. -Have not modified the Wiki entry for them yet, as my wifi connection is thin. I'm also interested if there have been any radiation studies this far from Chernobyl. very best regards, sgsmith, new orleans Sgsmith, nola 06:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you for alerting about commas. I'll change them ASAP. Asking your question: yes, the whole territory of Ukraine is (or at least was) monitored for radiactive pollution. Study links on disaster page for maps and textual mentions. If you're asking about actual pollutions as far as around Cherkasy: yes, there may be small "spots" of pollution here and there in Ukraine. If you're asking whether it is safe to visit such spots shortly, I'd say "yes". Ukrained 18:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article is already quite good, but it needs some improvement of English language preferrably by a native English speaker. I am not a native speaker, but I see some mistakes. It could also use some more references. Andries (talk) 08:37, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cherkasy and Cherkassy[edit]

Ok, I can understand that in English we write Kharkov with Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk with Dnipropetrovsk. But why Cherkassy with two ss and in Russian? Russian is not official language in Ukraine and I hope never will be. Also English speaking people don't care if Cherkasy is wtitten with two ss or with one. So lets keep only Ukrainian wersion Cherkasy with one s. T--68.36.49.223 (talk) 16:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is English language Wikipedia. It is written for the benefit of English-speaking people. Both the single 's' and double 's' spellings are about equally common in English. A Google Books search for the two different spellings conducted on 13 September 2011 found:
  • Cherkasy - 369 results
  • Cherkassy - 318 results
(In each case I paged through to the final search result, as the initial figure shown tends to be an inflated figure.)
Most of Ukraine is bilingual, with both Ukrainian and Russian being used. Absurdly, the government insists on Russian language TV programmes having Ukrainian subtitles. Signs on major roads are in Ukrainian; but if you try to get a coach somewhere the signs are often in Russian (the state provides the road signs, private enterprise provides coaches). It is therefore useful for English Wikipedia to have both Ukrainian and Russian language place names.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. English speaking people should use only one name for every Ukrainian city. So lets write Moscow, Moskov, Moskva because some people want to write this way.--68.36.49.223 (talk) 00:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop deleting useful information from the article.--Toddy1 (talk) 04:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Listen you Toddy, Russification of Ukraine never was useful... I can ask you the same, please stop to russify Ukrainian relative Wikipedia. Better read Taras Shevchenko. --68.36.49.223 (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a soapbox, a battleground, or a vehicle for propaganda. WP:SOAP You are not entitled to censor Wikipedia just because you seem to have something against one common English language spelling of Cherkassy, and the Russian language name for it. WP:CENSOR.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:57, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Toddy1 you are Russian nationalist--71.187.156.246 (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CHERKASY and only Cherkasy with one S should be written.--68.162.51.37 (talk) 00:08, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, see WP:SOAP and WP:CENSOR. --Taivo (talk) 04:08, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Most of city's population (near 90% per 2001) speaks Ukrainian so I removed Russian variation from template.
Anyway the Russian variation was left in definition.--Dƶoxar (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What Russian language has to do with central Ukrainian city of Cherkasy? NOTHING.... Russians nationalists, please stop this stupid nonsense writing in Russian on Ukrainian related Wikipedia. I am 100% sure that none of English speaking person doesn't care if Cherkasy is written with one s or two ss. One more "s" in the spelling of Ukrainian city of Cherkasy doesn't make any sense. --68.38.122.179 (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The normal English spelling is Cherkassy. That is the normal English language spelling used by people from the city - which you are not.--Toddy1 (talk) 04:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Toddy1 how do you know how people in Cherkasy spell the name of their city? You are not from Cherkasy as well. I will tell you who you are. You are Russian nationalist who would like to see Ukraine as part of Russia. Leave my county alone Russian Vanka. --68.38.122.179 (talk) 01:40, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anon IP, read WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. You could post your picture there. It doesn't matter for one minute what Ukrainians call their city in Ukrainian, all that matters in Wikipedia is what English speakers call the city and what English speakers are looking for. Unless you can prove that English speakers never look for Cherkassy or never see Cherkassy in print, then you have absolutely no argument for removing the Russian variant from these Ukrainian city names. We've told you before, now you're just being a vandal. --Taivo (talk) 04:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note that IP 68.38.122.179 is a New Jersey (USA) IP address.[1]--Toddy1 (talk) 06:38, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ukrainians don't really care that much. My students in Rivne use Rovno when they need to and Rivne when they don't, but don't really mind either way, it's the diaspora who seem to think that they own "Ukrainian". --Taivo (talk) 07:10, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What is really funny is that it is really easy to find out how ordinary Ukrainians spell the name of their city in English. You just look at addresses on websites, or where people say they come from on dating sites.--Toddy1 (talk) 07:44, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Exactly. Or, as in the case of Kharkiv, at the city's own official web site: [2], where they like BOTH English spellings and mix them. --Taivo (talk) 10:49, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Russian variants do no require citation[edit]

Standard Wikipedia practice in eastern Ukrainian, where as many as half of the population speaks Russian natively, is to include the Russian variants on placenames. No citation is necessary any more than a citation is necessary for placing the Ukrainian variant in placenames where the majority of the community speaks Russian as their first language (as in the Crimea). The citation tags were nothing more than WP:POINTy editing by an anonymous editor who is pushing an anti-Russian Ukrainian POV. Citations are not necessary for these things. --Taivo (talk) 02:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah right. Who created this policy? Should be only one spelling an it is Cherkasy with one S. Rusification of Ukraine continues... --68.36.49.223 (talk) 21:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
IP 68.36.49.223 is from New Jersey.[3]--Toddy1 (talk) 07:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From New Jersey, from New Jersey, from New Jersey! So what?--68.38.122.179 (talk) 00:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It just means that you don't know anything about either actual language use in Ukraine or Wikipedia policy. Russian variants are more commonly used in eastern Ukraine than Ukrainian ones and Wikipedia is not bound to any country's politically motivated language policy. --Taivo (talk) 01:04, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Someone from Lvov might not know that there were English language names for many places in Ukraine, and might therefore honestly believe that a transliteration from the Ukrainian language was the only appropriate name to use for those places when writing English. This does not apply to someone whose first language is English.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Toddy1, your claim about "Lvov" is not factual, but an opinion. Someone from "Lvov" would most definitely know all the other names about the city, otherwise he or she is from anywhere but that city. Ukrainian language and names of all the cities did not suddenly appear in 1991, but rather existed along with the Ukrainian people. Ignorance of historical facts on the other hand is completely different story. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cherkassy has to be taken off. Has to be only Cherkasy with one S. 73.178.187.55 (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Serhiy Odarych was dismissed from the mayor’s post by the city council on April 24, 2013[edit]

For stealing from the city budget. I am posting this here for a help in a future extension of the article. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of name and relation to Circassia[edit]

The similarity of pronunciation and spelling is striking in Russian so I assume there is some relation. Richiez (talk) 13:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The exact origins of the name are unknown, but a number of plausible theories that exist do trace it back to Circassians, in one way or another (not necessarily directly).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 20, 2015; 14:17 (UTC)

This is interesting, the name is so similar, but they are very distant! I'd like to read those theories but I found nothing, could you help me? Pietro Bosi (talk) 22:00, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality issue[edit]

I'm removing this part of the entry:

"This can be explained by the fact that the city was forming under the Russian (and later Soviet) rule, which is why some periods in the life of Cherkasy still remain undiscovered (a lot of facts were hidden, documents and material proof was destroyed)."

The statement is clearly not neutral and unwarranted (no citation is provided in favour of this assumed Cherkas[s]y-oriented plot). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lancioni (talk • contribs) 19:26, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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