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"Some People Never Die"[edit]

Is this bit actually correct, can anyone verify it - after all the track is basically a load of synth noises with the commentary over it - regardless of this we now need to mention the fact that the 1st version of this has now been released on the Atomhenge 25 years CD, which pre-dates this version by a number of years.--C Hawke (talk) 11:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I'd need to tidy up this page when I added the extra note, but haven't got around to it yet. Regarding "Some People Never Die", it ought to mention the samples it uses (JFK & Oswold) and its use in the Oliver Stone film (I haven't seen it, so can't confirm it was actually used), and yes, its earlier incarnations as "Asssassination" on the Hawklords album and Wierd tapes. As for the accusation of Brock's plaigarism, I can't comment as I've never heard the "original", but I do know that elsewhere Brock has been, ahem, influenced and inspired by particular works in his compositions. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 22:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I must apologise for not replying immediately, no real excuse but I've only just started looking at discussions. The original 'On the 7th day" recording I quoted has exactly the same bassline and exactly the same clips with the bassline fade in and outs around the clips in the same way. There's absolutely no way it can be a coincidental piece of composition. You can check for yourself - a quick Google search for ' "On the seventh day" Mercury ' will lead to the album. The bit you want is from around 2.00 onwards (I'd suggest you don't really want to subject yourself to more of the song than you have to! it's not exactly classic stuff) Archiveangel (talk) 17:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. The real test is, is if I hadn't known this was NOT a Brock/hawk version would have I assumed it was one - and it passses that test - if I had heard this on some tape I'd assumed it was either the Hawks, Brock or some tribute - but alas ther release date shows otherwise. The question is can is this a notable enough entry to allow us to post samples of both tracks - there shouldn't be copyright issues as it should fall under the fair use for review/comment.--C Hawke (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Um - You're right, it feels like a Brock composition, so there's no reason for people to think it might be borrowed. In terms of criticality to the Hawkwind canon, I guess it's just an aside, really, however, it's an interesting aside that nobody else seems to have picked up. I was lucky to find my copy for a few shillings in a sale of hundreds of odd obscure US deletions purchased in bulk by a local shop in 1971, and it was never released here, so probably very few people here have heard it. This is the first time I've seen mp3's of the album in years of searching, so perhaps samples would be interesting for completion's sake - especially as the Hawkwind history is generally so well and deeply researched. -- An incidental - I've also never seen any mention that the tiny picture of the policeman on the inside of the original foldout 'In Search of Space' was of the one who busted Del Detmar in Notting Hill at an open air gig (Del told me that himself, and pointed the pic out on the just prepared original cover artwork, when I interviewed him and Simon King at Clearwater' offices for our school magazine about two months before the album came out. Those were the days)Archiveangel (talk) 19:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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When the original LP was relieved I seem to recall there was an interview with Dave Brock in the weekly music newspaper Sounds. In the article I believe Dave Brock was quoted as saying the name for the album Church of Hawkwind came from his being told, perhaps by letter, that there was indeed a ‘religion’ called the Church of Hawkwind named after the band somewhere in the USA. Regretfully this is just anecdotal evidence on my part.

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