Talk:Distinguished Flying Cross (United States)

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Link to Distinguished Flying Cross Society (USA)[edit]

30 June 2005 I added a link to the Distinguished Flying Cross Society (USA) T.E. Goodwin.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.201 (talk) 22:58, 30 June 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, you totally plagarized military.about.com, right down to misspelling the word "rectangular". You'll note that at the bottom it says ©2006 About, Inc., A part of The New York Times Company. All rights reserved. Nice. --fred —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.150.135.35 (talk) 18:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fortunately it's not a copyright violation, because both this article and About.com used a version of this as a source. That's an official U.S. military website, and as such is in the public domain. TheFeds 06:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Difference between two medals[edit]

Something in this page should mention the difference between the DFC and the Distinguished Service Cross (Army) vs. Air Force Cross and Navy Cross. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.88.111 (talk) 04:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

attention[edit]

"At least four civilians have received the award: Wiley Post, Amelia Earhart, Kim Campbell, and Eugene Ely."But Kim Campbell (pilot) is a Military person. And Kim Campbell never received the medal.--东北虎(Manchurian Tiger) 16:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Executive Orders[edit]

It looks like there is a chain of Executive Orders which need some running down of their details pertaining to this award. I wanted to get this out there and maybe another editor can help.

Executive Order 7786
Amendment of Executive Order No. 4601 of March 1, 1927, Prescribing Regulations Pertaining to the Award of the Distinguished Flying Cross

  • Signed: January 8, 1938
  • Federal Register page and date: 3 FR 49, January 11, 1938
  • Amends: EO 4601, March 1, 1927
  • Amended by: EO 7962, August 22, 1938
  • See: Transfer Order 14 of the Secretary of Defense, dated July 22, 1949 (14 FR 49008)

That means EO 4601, 7786 and 7962 could have information to be added to the article. Can also incorporate the {{Executive Order}} template to link to the actual text if there is an article over on Wikisource. — MrDolomite • Talk 17:23, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Award to Civilians[edit]

The article states that the award was limited to members of the armed services by an EO issued by President Coolidge. However, the civilians mentioned as receiving the award (except Ely and Lindbergh) all earned the DFC for actions after Coolidge was no longer president, I believe. --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Awarded to foreign nationals not only during wartime[edit]

The copy states that "During wartime," friendly foreign nationals can be awarded the DFC. Maj, Hsichun Mike Hua of the Republic of China Air Force received one for his deadstick landing, at night, of a Lockheed U-2 in which he was training in August 1959. The landing was made at the civilian airport at Cortez, Colorado. Certainly this was "Cold Wartime," but I don't think the U. S. was actively at war with anyone at the time. Citation needed? Read my Aviation History article on "the Cortez Incident" when it's published soon. Or do a search for "the Miracle at Cortez" in Wikipedia...173.62.108.108 (talk) 22:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am listed in this article inaccurately.[edit]

My name is CPT Clint Burleson. You have me listed inaccurately as a "Notable Recipient" and a winner of the MoH. Please remove this immediately, as I could be accused of stolen valor.

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Names without sources[edit]

We've got quite a few names without articles or sources. Does anyone object if I remove them? Rklawton (talk) 01:35, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Slimmed down[edit]

I am starting a bit of a reorganization, with the goal of slimming the list down.

Back in 2014, with this edit, someone from Newport, Rhode Island, switched the focus around to call out DFC holders who were also Medal of Honor holders, and who were famous celebrities, politicians, etc. I don't think this was a good route to take. I think the article should list the winners by service arm only, plus civilians and foreign nationals. Each entry can briefly tell the reader why the person is notable, of course.

I also think that listing the winners by date would be better than by rank and alphabetical order. Any thoughts?

Finally, we should be respectful of the guideline at WP:LISTPEOPLE which says each person in the list should be notable enough for a Wikipedia article of their own. Many DFC holders are not notable enough. Binksternet (talk) 02:57, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Newport person has once again added Medal of Honor mentions.[1] I reverted this because it's off topic. Binksternet (talk) 06:53, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the Doolittle Raiders?[edit]

Is there a reason why the 80 Doolittle Raiders, all of whom received the Distinguished Flying Cross, are not listed, other than Doolittle himself and Maj Gen Jones? They are clearly notable as a group, receiving a Congressional Gold Medal, but are not listed for the group endeavor or as 80 individuals. The last Raider passed away last month, Lt Col. Richard E. Cole, Doolittle's copilot. At least five more of these individual raiders have their own Wikipedia articles, and several more are notable enough to receive an biographical article, based on the extensive discussion of their individual fates in the Wikipedia article. The eight that were either executed for war crimes or tortured as POWs (during the period when Lt. Robert J. Meder starved to death) are particularly egregious omissions, considering that their treatment led to further war crimes convictions, and (after many years) the latter conversion of Mitsuo Fuchida, the leading pilot in the first air attacks at Pearl Harbor. 73.115.53.151 (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Add USAAF Pilot[edit]

Please add Lieutenant Colonel Gene Hollingsworth to the Air Force section as a recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross. He served in the USAAF in Vietnam as a Jolly Green pilot in Danang where he flew 98 missions. He passed away in 2017. He was my step father. I have a photo of his ribbons on his uniform. deanwil@msn.com 72.24.31.214 (talk) 15:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Creek Fire DFCs[edit]

A group of seven fliers has been added because of rescuing civilians in the Creek Fire (2020). The fliers work for the California Army National Guard. None of the fliers meet WP:GNG by themselves; they are instead being added because of the one notable event that they were involved in. See WP:BIO1E.

The guideline at WP:LISTPEOPLE gives two scenarios:

  1. The person meets notability requirements for a biography and references support their inclusion in the list.
  2. The person is known only for their involvement in a notable event and references support their inclusion in the list.

There are multiple references available for the seven, but we should determine whether this list article of DFCs should be expanded with names matching the second scenario, which it has not been previously. And, if we include the second scenario, should the name be required to appear in the article about the one event? Should the name redirect to the one event?

None of the seven California airmen are mentioned in the Creek Fire article. The article talks about helicopter rescue of civilians, but it doesn't name the airmen or mention the DFCs.

What do others think about this? Binksternet (talk) 20:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your reasoning is correct. Garuda28 (talk) 02:16, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Link to wrong person[edit]

The entry for William H. May under the USMC recipients, links to the wrong person. The link sends you to a page on a Royal Navy officer from an earlier generation with the same name. The Marine Corps aviator does not have a page at this time. 73.251.195.68 (talk) 20:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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