Talk:Fear of Flying (novel)

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_ _ The article says

its then-controversial attitudes towards feminism and female sexuality.

I note here that IMO it's appropriate to write stubs based on very light original research, i.e., documenting what you've heard or what you (think you) learned by reading (or reading within), e.g., the novel in question.
_ _ That said, the phrase above asserts that:

Jong incontestably went beyond merely portraying a form of female sexuality (i.e., the erotic lives of women, and for any particular woman, whatever she experiences as inseparable from her erotic life) to clearly express (not just arguably hint at) a specific view on some species of belief that
- women as women have historically been and continue to be subordinated to men, in ways beyond the erotic, and
- women consciously acting as women and in concert with other women can change or ameliorate that, and
the book's "attitudes" (figurative attitudes: books can suggest that they are expressive of the attitudes of their authors and/or characters, but they are incapable of having attitudes), in both areas,
- were then controversial (which i believe is hard to contest at least in the case of "female sexuality") but
- are now so nearly universal that former critics appear (at best) resigned to having lost those arguments.

While the book is certainly relevant to feminist history, it is neither obvious nor in evidence that it "knows about" its potential for relevance; as to controversy, i agree that it obviously was but think the evidence weighs on the side of continuing controversy.
_ _ For the moment and pending possible verification of parts of the old language (especially if she used the words "feminism" or "feminist" in the first edition, or was the first to make the connection to feminism outside its covers), i'm substituting

which became famously controversial for its attitudes towards female sexuality, and figured in the development of feminism

(which seems pretty likely, but could still use verification).
--Jerzy•t 16:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why the name "Fear of Flying"?[edit]

To improve the article, it might be a good idea to explain the significance of the title. Dzint.dzilna (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The expression "Fear of Flying" has been explained in this article as being both literally due to having to be airborne with inappropriate companions, and of having to become independent and self-inventive rather than dependent on past memories. Macrocompassion (talk) 10:11, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary[edit]

It might be a good idea for someone who has read it to give a plot summary 75.99.42.117 (talk) 13:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Then again, it might not. The historic significance of the book is sufficiently described. Plot summaries are overrated. Wegesrand (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Logic[edit]

The article says, "Despite Jong's claims to the contrary, Isadora Wing's origins in fact may be more than a sum of autobiographical elements." What exactly is "the contrary"? Did Jong claim that Isadora Wing's origins are less than or equal to a sum of autobiographical elements? That's what the sentence suggests. Wegesrand (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What Jong claimed is in the sentence before the one you quoted, "Jong has denied that the novel is autobiographical but admits that it has autobiographical elements." Maybe you are having problems with the word "sum". If so, change it to something else such as "assemblage". HairyWombat 05:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Vienna, Germany[edit]

It should be noted that Wing's destination is not Germany, as Vienna is the capitol of Austria. Her and Goodlove spend time by Austrian, not German, pools. Kittycat79 (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]