Talk:Great American Boycott

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Former good article nominee Great American Boycott was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Alien is the correct legal term[edit]

In the USA, an out of state corporation is a foreign corporation. A British firm is an alien firm. Likewise any non-citizen who is human (as well as a corporation) is an alien. They maybe legally here as a tourist, student or a permanent resident. Legally all immigrants, like the late Peter Jennings was, like Ted Koppel is, and like Bill Mazer is, are actually citizens. They were just born outside the USA. John wesley

Yup! I pointed that out earlier when someone went and changed the word Aliens everywhere to Immigrants, because they said it 'sounded' pejorative.
If Illegal Alien is offensive, then is Resident Alien also?
a·li·en n.
An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
BillyTFried 18:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
ET Phone Home.... ET Phone Home.... 04:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC) (sorry, but that's what I think of when I think of "aliens". Would you rather transsexual transvestites from the planet Transylvania?)

It doesn't matter what it sounds like to you because it is the correct term. Besides, Undocumented Worker sounds like a carpenter who showed up for work without his build permit one day.BillyTFried 04:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Look, alien means extraterrestrial creatures. By calling these people "illegal aliens" you are saying that they are extraterrestrial creatures that are here illegally. Get it straight. You say either--now say it slowly-- "Undocumented worker/immigrant" or if you prefer "Illegal worker/immigrant". And no, none of these terms imply that "they symbolize an invited guest, which they are not". They are what they are. Illegal/Undocumented Immigrants. Not Aliens. End of story.--Anonymous--

Just because John to you means a guy soliciting a hooker, doesn't mean that's what John means to the rest of us, Mr. Anonymous. That train of thought is alien to us, you know, meaning it's Yoda to us. By the way, one of my best friends is a Resident Alien, and as much as it may surprise you, he has no problem expressing that at all. BillyTFried 08:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I haven't check recently, but I think the article now has the perfect word. I'm enmbarassed not to have thought of it: non-citizen; the term is not pejorative and it is 100% accurate. It pins down the meaning to citizenship status!!! No ambiguity as to space invaders. John wesley 16:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Whether you use the term Immigrant, Alien, Non-Citizen, or Undocumented Worker, you still have to make a clear distinction between Legal and Illegal. H.R. 4437, which is what this boycott was formed to protest, is about foreigners who are in the U.S. illegally. It is not about the legal Non-Citizens I work with in my IT department. It is not about my Resident Alien ex-girlfriend. And it is not about my Legal Immigrant great grandfather. It is about Immigrants/Aliens/Non-Citizens/Workers, who are in the Unites States ILLEGALLY. BillyTFried 19:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It is importaint to use the term illegal, as that is what the issue is about; people entering the country illegally.-- 21:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

How about illegals who came in the mayflower? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

immigration reform[edit]

I removed the description of counter-protesters as being "anti-immigration reform" because most everyone involved in the issue wants reform of some type, the debate is over whether the laws will be reformed to be stricter or looser. TheKaplan 15:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I put it back in. The line, as you put it, makes the counter-protestors look like one group which they clearly are not. Anti-immigration groups are worried about over population and don't seem to like anything or anyone that doesn't adopt "white" culture. While anti-illegal immigration and anti-immigration reform groups like the minutemen merely want the immigration laws enforced as they are currently "on the books." Groups that are not in favor of a comprehensive immigration reform bill are just that, anti-immigration reform. It's all semantics but I'm sure we can come to a compromise that involves more than one point of view. Mosquito-001 16:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Ignoring the speculation and boilerplate accusations of racism (par for the course, really), you really said it yourself. "Comprehensive" immigration reform is a qualified form of immigration reform, and opposition to what is referred to by that political moniker does not indicate in any way oppostion to immigration reform in general. Immigration reform could be reform of the way the laws are enforced, it could be reform of the system by which we grant visas. The desire for reform of some type is practically universal. TheKaplan 22:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
You can ignore it but it's still there(typical of a certain movement that shall go unnamed). Regardless, I'm glad you took my suggestions under consideration and did not "dummy" down the opposition to the Great American Boycott. This is an edit I can support.Mosquito-001 00:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Photos from march in LA[edit]

Just added a collection of 75 hi-res photos to the wikimedia commons from the march in LA.

Feel free to use photos where and if appropriate. --Fluxaviator 00:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

Review of Great American Boycott

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

After looking this article over, I have decided to fail this article, for several reasons.

  1. The lead is too long.
  2. Rather obviously, there are "citation needed" tags (of which I have added to) that need to be dealt with.
  3. The "Initial response" section contains several one-line paragraphs.
  4. The "Regional demonstrations" is just a long list that takes up most of the article. It really needs to be incorporated into a paragraph form.
  5. The "Summary" section is really just unneccessary.

Those are a lot of things that need to be changed, so I think it would be best just to fail this article, and work on the necessary changes first, before coming back to GAN. Noble Story (talk) 10:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

History of May Day revival in Los Angeles[edit]

The revival of May Day as an immigrant workers day was done by groups that eventually joined up to form the MIWON coalition. I don't know the details but the orgs were KIWA, PWC, CHIRLA, and I think GWC. IDEPSCA may have also been involved. Anyway, these are Asian and Latino organizations. It's very limiting to say this was a Mexican oriented event, because, while Mexicans were the majority, the impetus to create the original coalition was mutli-ethnic, and they were operating in an area of LA that has a lot of Central Americans and Asians, as well as Mexican immigrants. I believe the first march was revived in 1999, and built upon the big protests of 1994 against Pete Wilson. This stuff has to be written down somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:39, 27 April 2012 (UTC)