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Removed x86 comparison[edit]

I removed the x86 comparison (again), because the naming of the AX and BX registers is surely a complete coincidence. On the 8080 and 8085, the registers weren't very general, and in particular A was available for a lot more operations than B. But on the 8086, AX, BX, CX, and DX are fully general-purpose registers, and there's nothing special about AX and BX to make them similar to A and B of the 2100. It's natural when naming four general registers to call them either A, B, C, and D, or 0, 1, 2, and 3. Given that there is no substantive similarity between the 2100 A and B registers and the x86 AX and BX registers (or EAX and EBX), a comparison or even mention is far too speculative for the main page. --Brouhaha 22:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

As someone who programmed both the HP2116A in assembly, and the 8080, I agree. Its only a coincidence, that only a novice would assume. Like having buildings that have first floors copy each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.7.188 (talk) 00:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

I can't verify that the 2114C ever existed. It's true there are specs and literature advertising it, but I've not been able to find anyone that actually had/has one.

I'm working on restoring an HP-2116A in my spare time. Feel free to use any pictures from the gallery that you like and/or link to it. HP-2116A Gallery

It might make sense to list the memory sizes in kilobytes as that's what most people expect to read these days. The listing is correct though, all HP literature at the time listed kilowords instead.

If anyone has more old HP hardware they want to get rid of, I'm happy to take it off their hands. (grin)

A more prominent link to some of the simulators would be nice. SIMH is probably the most popular free one.

The claim is that 2114-6 machines stopped being sold in 1970? My HP-2116A was installed in January of 1970, so I would imagine B and C models could have been sold for a few years after that.

TimRiker 07:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well... this is Wikipedia... feel free to edit the article. I don't think anyone will revert a comment like "Although HP also developed the 2114C model, but it did not appear to be sold before the line was retired" or something like that. I added the sole SIMH link because it's the only emulator that I've personally used, but again, feel free to edit the article. Articles like this one are tough because proper "Wikipedia"-proper references are tough to find on the web and lots of libraries seem to throw away any pre-1980 computer books (that's my experience anyway) which might be used to reference old architectures like this. Maybe Jay West (or yourself) needs to put up a HP 2100 history web page on classiccmp.org that can be referenced by Wikipedia. Thomas Dzubin Talk 13:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I used at least 6 of these machines, in and around Berkeley, CA in the early and late 1970s. I had read a lot about the HP2116C CPU, and like the author of this post, I have never seen one either.

Tandem Link[edit]

I cannot seem at this time to edit the article, so although the idea that the Tandem Non-Stop architecture was developed based upon the HP2100 series, I would disagree, having known two of the system engineers who worked for Tandem. They used a lot of the bus arbitration, and signal ideas, they got to start from scratch as far as the main architecture, and fixed all the short comings of the architecture, i.e. avoided all the mistakes made in hindsight. ( a significant change was having 4 CPU interrupt lines, later expanding to 8 vs 1. ( The HP2116A could run a co-processor, and the 2~16 CPU version of the Non-stop initially could run all but the main processors as co-processors, it was later implemented in software, by Guardian that *any* CPU could act as master processor, so that Procssor #1 could be serviced/upgraded -> While the machine was running <- ). Also the Non-stop machines were stack based.

I digress: Tandem was started by former HP engineers: http://www.partnersremarketing.com/tandemhistory.htm And there are actually many other citations: "Today it is still known as NonStop, a separate product line offered by Hewlett-Packard, the company that the original founders left to form Tandem in the" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.37.99.136 (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Descendants and variants[edit]

I've added a disputed notice for that section. That relatively long section not even a single reference. I am particularly concerned about this statement:

In 1975, HP introduced the BPC, the world's first 16-bit microprocessor

I've been unable to find any source for this information. In fact, I've found multiple sources that says the National Semiconductor PACE is the first 16-bit microprocessor. Such as this, this, this, this or TI's because of this, this

--CyberXReftalk 05:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

None of the above sources you listed are correct, and many contradict each other. The earliest reported date for PACE that I know of is that it was "announced" in December 1974. HP finished the BPC mask designs in April 1973, and already had a working BPC by late 1974 when PACE was announced. Note that the Wikipedia page for PACE says it's the first "commercial" 16-bit microprocessor. HP never sold the standalone BPC commercially - it was only available in HP products. This fact has led to a great amount of confusion regarding the BPC, as it was a virtually undocumented device prior to Steve Leibson's extensive research into the development of the HP 9825 computer, which began sometime around 2004. As a result, the PACE myth has been widely disseminated for the past 40 years, and it will probably take some time for various sources to catch up to reality. The TMS9900 was introduced in 1976, and isn't even a contender. Accutron (talk) 06:26, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Basic operating system[edit]

In 1979 in my High School they had an (already obsolete) HP 2100A, but it was running something they called "Dartmouth basic". However that seems to be a generic name for Basic and does not specify the actual operating system. This system could run 4 teletypes and ran Basic programs, you typed them in with line numbers and typed "run", there was no direct execution. You saved programs by punching them on paper tape, there was a command that was exactly the same as list but it sent a lot of nulls before/after so you had paper tape leader. A fifth teletype was the console and the only thing I remember you could do from it is load from the high-speed paper tape reader. The Basic was very limited, there was not strings or characters, only floating-point numbers, and the only input possible was typing numbers with commas between them. Does anybody have any hint as to what this was, and whether it was an HP product?

The machine itself had 16K words of core memory, the panel with the small white square lights, and was in a rack with the photo reader (which looked different than the pic in the article), and a punch/marked card reader which I think required running Fortran to use.