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Hello[edit]

Please contribute on the history of Mars Hill, notable alum, etc. if you are able.

Please edit typos or other issues as necessary, and assistance with formatting is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Wattssw 05:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The General Fund[edit]

There needs to be a section explaining the general fund. Also, Coach's Grand Ole Opry. PLZKTHXBAI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.189.5 (talk) 06:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain more about the general fund, scan and upload a flyer for it or point to a pdf online about it if you can. Wikipedia must include only items that can be verified and are of at least some relevance. Wattssw (talk) 06:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The General Fund needs no verification. Also, I'll try to upload a picture of the Opry as soon as I can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.243.4.226 (talk) 06:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Opry[edit]

I am not certain that the General Fund is noteworthy enough to be included, however I will include it and have found a reference. I am quite certain "Coach's (Coach Williams perhaps?) Grand Ole Opry" is not of any notoriety and it should not and will not be included on this page. I am as fond of these types of events at MHBS as anyone, however this is an encyclopedia, not a yearbook. Wattssw (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You mean not even if I upload a video of the Opry on youtube and provided a link? It can serve as an example of not only how in depth the learning experience is at Mars Hill, but also how awesome Coach Williams is. In fact, he should have his own article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.189.5 (talk) 11:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[[1]] This is the first half of the Opry. It was filmed 5/9/08. This is the E Block class, so it's as up to date as you can get. I'm going to upload the second half later tonight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.189.5 (talk) 4:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

It has been a long time since I have been in Coach Williams' classroom, however he may have an enyclopedia amongst his many war for Southern independence books. Please look through it and find a reference to YouTube. YouTube is simply not a valid reference for an encylopedia article. Coach Williams is simply not notable enough to warrant his own article, however you may have already created an article. Please realize that there is a significant difference between Wikipedia and the Internet as a whole. Please, go to Geocities or wherever and create a homepage about Coach Williams. Or go to blogger.com and create the MHBS Opry Blog. That would be terrific. However that does not make Coach Williams or his in class events (no matter how fun they are) note worthy for anyone outside of the very tight knit group of people involved with MHBS. Please also note that prospective students and their parents may not fully grasp the importance of what appears to be a waste of time to their children's future education. Verifiable hard stats such as those in the article currently are good marketing for the school. Videos showing how Coach Williams wastes parents' money and students' time (though it is enjoyable), it turns out, could be detrimental to the positive progression of MHBS. Please relinquish your hubris and let this one slide while realizing that your experiences, while important to you at the moment, are insignificant to the world at large. Wattssw (talk) 05:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality[edit]

Well duh. Coach's encyclopedias probably don't mention Youtube because they were written before Youtube (or before 0 A.Y., if you will). Also, your editing-out of the bad points of Mars Hill shows that the article is not written in a neutral point of view. If I wanted advertisements, I'd go to Myspace. At least their ads have a shiny fart button.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.189.5 (talk) 12:50, 03 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is supposed to be about accuracy after all. If you don't hear both sides of the story it's almost like actually being at Mars Hill...where free speech has no meaning. In soviet MHBS, speech talks you!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.247.74 (talk) 23:08, June 2, 2008 (UTC)

Please elaborate on any 'bad points' of MHBS that have been edited out. Please realize that Coach Williams and YouTube have little or nothing to do with neutrality here. YouTube is unacceptable as an encyclopedia reference. I will have the MHBS page locked if you can't get over yourself. Also, please register and sign your posts, otherwise you lose credibility. Stephen Watts, MHBS Class of 2002 Wattssw (talk) 00:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please also note that WikiMedia's very vital neutral point of view policy states that pages "must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), representing fairly, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources". Your view is not significant. In fact it is insignificant. YouTube is not a reliable source. Indeed it is an unreliable source. This is not an issue of neutrality but of immaturity or perhaps stupidity. That is all. Wattssw (talk) 00:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're the one pointing out that Coach's Opry is a waste of time and money, not me. However, since you insist it is, it must be, seeing as how you're a registered user and all. Also, the only real edit I've made to the page was by adding Coach's Opry once, and by adding the NPOV notice, since we were actually discussing that. I have made no other edits to the page, so I feel it should not be locked. In regards to what is and is not significant, there are several things on the page that may be true and identified by "significant and reliable" sources, yet they don't matter. Who cares what catch phrase Charlton Heston used in his commercial? Who cares that Ronnie Pannell has broadcast more than 850 basketball games? Those random things are on the same level as Coach Williams, if not significantly lower, since Coach is manlier than Chuck Norris. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.189.5 (talk) 17:09, June 5, 2008

Assessment request: (Start/low)[edit]

Without getting into the NPOV aspects discussed above, I will address the rest of the article. First off, the citation style is solid, and the number of in-text citations is about right. You could add a few more as appropriate. The one that brings this article down, and must be corrected is the overuse of lists. "Academics," "Athletics," "Administration" and "Trivia" are just lists and should be in prose. Fixing this will go a long way to making this article better. — Calebrw (talk) 19:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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