Talk:Microsoft Office Mobile

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Rewritten[edit]

I rewrote most of this article to wikify it, and added references. Brianreading 09:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)as

Screenshots[edit]

I'm aware that as of right now, the screenshots in the article are excessive, for the amount of text in the article. This will hopefully be remedied soon as I will attempt to expand the information. I thought the need for consistency in these screenshots superseded the run-off into other sections of the article. Brianreading 19:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Word Mobile.png[edit]

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Assessment[edit]

I've given this article a B. However, I'd recommend some parts be changed to prose. -download | sign! 22:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your assessment and recommendation! Brianreading (talk) 10:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Lunar Calendar View[edit]

What's with the Lunar Calender view in Calender. Never heard of such a thing, nor is Google throwing up anything! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.255.74.11 (talk) 07:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia talk pages are specifically for discussion regarding the editing of articles, and not for general discussion of the topic. Brian Reading (talk) 17:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Non-free content review[edit]

Hi.

We have several forth-and-back reverts in the article, with User:ТимофейЛееСуда attempting to remove images per Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 44 § Microsoft Office Mobile. User:EndlessCoffee54 has contested this attempt. Therefore, I opened this discussion in hopes of resolving the dispute and preventing an all-out edit war.

The problem with Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 44 § Microsoft Office Mobile is that it is a non-admin closure by User:ТимофейЛееСуда himself, and a closure in violation of the closing guideline of NFCR. The discussion did not have many participants: Only User:Masem and User:Werieth. As such, it does not demonstrate a consensus and should have been closed with no consensus. NFCR is not to be confused with WP:FFD, in which a a different policy is in effect.)

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 20:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Given we have a valid NFCR close, and that it was determined that {{non-free review}} shouldnt be placed on articles to garner wider discussion. The policy backed close by ТимофейЛееСуда is valid, and binding. Werieth (talk) 20:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I closed the discussion, as there was consensus that the images violated WP:NFCC. There is not a set number of respondents required to have consensus, and if you look at the history of WP:NFCR there are generally only a couple. Editors had time when they could have opposed, but there was zero opposition to an obvious WP:NFCC violation. Reverting the effects of my closure is going against policy. Starting this discussion is circumventing established process and policy. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 21:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
You were not allowed to edit war, no matter what. The closure guideline says that discussions that need deletion need to be handled by an administrator. The later is provisioned exactly for cases such as this, to prevent edit warring. If the closure is indeed binding, you should have contacted an administrator and requested an out-of-band speedy deletion or a deference of closure duty. (The former would have not been granted but the latter would have granted in form of granting the former!)
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 21:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I have only attempted to enforce a consensus based discussion. The closing guideline only says "Any uninvolved administrator may close a discussion." It does not say it has to be closed by an administrator. I've closed this and many many more discussions at WP:NFCR in accordance with Wikipedia:Non-admin_closure#Appropriate_closures. There was a clear consensus, and I made the close in accordance with WP:Non-admin closure. You saying that I violated the closing guideline of NFCR is preposterous and plain wrong. If you seriously think I violated this guideline, by all means, have any uninvolved administrator show me where this violation is, and I will happily revert my closure. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 21:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
You edit warred; it does not matter how you justify it.
Closures (admin or non-admin) can always be reviewed and consensus can change; that's what we are supposed to be doing here. In fact, we now have a support from Masem and an oppose from EndlessCoffee54. It is prudent to wait for EndlessCoffee54 to state his reasons. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 21:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
The action of removing the images is completely in line with NFCR. The images would then be tagged as orphaned so that if there was any pending "hey, this image should be kept...", that can be caught there. NFCR closures - save for clearly out of line cases, should not result in image deletion and if it determined that the image should be deleted as a result of what the NFCR ends up being, then FFDs are opened (like here with the action of making the images orphaned). But NFCR is considered a binding consensus like FFD, as previously identified at ANI recently. --MASEM (t) 21:29, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Quite so, Masem. But you tell me: What happens if another admin come along and undo the admin-only decision you made? You don't wheel war, do you? We now have an edit warring on our hand. What do you suggest we do? Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 21:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Now you are just using a completely different issue to further EndlessCoffee and now your opinion. This is not a discussion about whether or not I edit warred. If it were, this would be an inappropriate place for you to have it, which you seem to be trying to do, as that is your only argument. The proper place would be your talkpage, my talkpage or if you are serious about accusing me, by all means take that discussion to WP:ANI/EW. If this discussion is about whether or not consensus has changed (in 3 days no less) then that discussion should be at WP:NFCR, since this is a discussion about a non-free file. If the discussion is about whether or not my close was valid, I gave you an easy option to handle that. Talk page discussions generally should be about content. You are attempting to circumvent established process with your discussion. At this point, I'm tired of your inappropriate handling of this "situation" that you have created. Either take appropriate action through one of the many methods I've discussed, or realize that there is no conspiracy here, policy was followed, you jumped the gun and are trying to backtrack, and everyone needs to calm down. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 22:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
With all due respect, this is a discussion to end an ongoing edit warring by you and EndlessCoffee54 by facilitating a WP:DR for the two of you, by having both of you saying what you have and have you two reach a compromise. (WP:ANEW is a place to report either of you two, should you fail to do this.) But I am afraid your comments so far have been ad hominem and battlefield-minded. I'd be sorry to report either of you two.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 22:47, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm not weighing in on any edit war discussion since I have not researched the actions thoroughly enough to have an opinion on this, but I will throw my hat in the ring to declare my support for keeping these non-free images in the article. I believe the reasoning behind removing them was because they were "of little interest". That is a subjective conclusion, and one in which I disagree. At the very least, for the sake of WP:COMMONSENSE, this non-free content discussion is not over yet if there are multiple editors who have not weighed in on this, and disagree with the conclusion. Brian Reading (talk) 23:16, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm in full support of keeping the images because there aren't any free equivalents, but if the images need to be removed because of non-free content guidelines, I won't stand in your way. If the number of screenshots is at issue, a good compromise would be keeping a few images of Office Mobile (like the homescreen, as well as maybe a screenshot of Word and Excel).EndlessCoffee54 (talk) 06:01, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I said I was done commenting, but I feel that I should say thank you for your civility and your reasonable behavior. Also, the NFCR discussion did come to the conclusion that two of the images should be removed because of failing WP:NFCC, but that same discussion concluded that the homescreen and word and excel screenshots were all acceptable. I do not think anyone wants to remove those, so they are safe as they fit in with the NFCC. Cheers. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 14:47, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
See? Talking is always faster and more efficient than edit warring. In fact, Thumperward was just saying how no one have ever won a discussion with edit warring. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 16:53, 14 February 2014 (UTC)