Talk:Monument to the founders of Odesa

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Myth? Neutrality please[edit]

Could the the tone be more neutral, please, in the following...

«Russian myth states that in 1794, prior to her death, Catherine II launched the beginning of the construction of Odesa city and its port. However, the port city's roots go back to the 1415 when under the Grand Duchy of Lithuania it was known as Khadjibey»

Wikipedia itself says « In 1794, the modern city of Odes[s]a was founded by a decree of the Russian empress Catherine the Great.» It is not difficult to imagine that the town of Odessa was indeed founded under Catherine II while a nearby village existed prior to the modern (and built as in classical style) city. Also, « in classical antiquity a large Greek settlement existed at its location ». Finally Khadjibey was not its name in 1415 (that's a Turkish name from a good century later). Really the article reeks of exacerbated Ukrainian nationalism. 98.143.210.7 (talk) 05:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"It is not difficult to imagine" is not a reliable source. DarthPutinKGB on Twitter is also not a reliable source.... If your house was bombed away by Russian bombs you would probably make edits that are not friendly to Russia... Take up your complaints to Russian government officials and why they can not see that they are only destroying the last fondness to russia in Ukraine.... "I remain a master strategist." But this answer was probably a waste of my time.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source ^[1] really states that Khadjibey was renamed Odesa in 1795... Stop coming up with "could-have-been-isms".... We are trying to create an encyclopaedia here... not an alternate history database.... "I remain a master strategist." But this answer was probably a waste of my time too.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:03, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

According to sources a port located at the location of modern Odesa was first mentioned in 1415 when it was known as Khadjibey....^[2] "I remain a master strategist." But this answer was probably a waste of my time too.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Zipperstein, Steven J. (1985). The Jews of Odessa: A Cultural History, 1794-1881. ISBN 9780804766845.
^ "Історія Одеси. Що робить її справжнім українським містом?". Радіо Свобода (in Ukrainian). Retrieved 2022-08-05.
Vermenych, Ya. Odessa (ОДЕСА). Encyclopedia of History of Ukraine. 2010.

After dismantling[edit]

What has happened to the monument after dismantling? Was it destroyed, put in a museum, put into storage or something else? 213.95.33.60 (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article says “that the monuments would be temporarily moved to the Odesa Fine Arts Museum.” —Michael Z. 17:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Zipperstein, Steven J. (1985). The Jews of Odessa: A Cultural History, 1794-1881. ISBN 9780804766845.

[2] "Історія Одеси. Що робить її справжнім українським містом?". Радіо Свобода (in Ukrainian). Retrieved 2022-08-05.
Vermenych, Ya. Odessa (ОДЕСА). Encyclopedia of History of Ukraine. 2010.

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