Talk:Motion picture film scanner

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December 2005[edit]

The original text of this article read a lot like an advert for a particular motion picture film scanner. It's still in there, commented out -- if anyone can find some salvageable information in there, please do. --Alynna 23:51, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Proposed merge to Telecine[edit]

No. The should not be moved to Telecine. Telecine are real time scanning to SDTV or HDTV. Scanners can be real time or as slow as a a few frames per second and go to data files (DPX). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Telecineguy (talkcontribs) 06:15, 16 April 2007

Sorry for the delay in responding. I proposed the merger because Motion picture film scanner is basically a stub, and Telecine has a lot of really good information and is quite encyclopedic. Most of the information in Telecine applies to all motion picture film scanners. Do you have a citation for your claim that telecines must be real time and end in a television format? The spirit datacine certainly supports higher than HDTV resolutions (4k), and I believe it runs slower than realtime. Do you claim it's inappropriate to be listed in Telecine? In my (quite limited) experience, the term telecine does not imply realtime scanning.
Regardless, though, the question of whether [nearly] all motion picture film scanners are telecines or not, does not decide the merger. Perhaps its better to have the result of the merger be Motion picture film scanner, and for Telecine to redirect there (I would not think so, but perhaps?). I'm also a little troubled at the nature of the specific information in Motion picture film scanner; surely there are plenty of scanners that produce other file formats than DPX and TIF, and the use of SANs seems basically irrelevant. The article seem to read more like a spec sheet for some manufacturer's model than an encyclopedia article. jhawkinson 18:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Spirit Datacine, C-Reality/DSX and Millennium are three Telecines that can be duel use; telecine and scanners. But the Motion picture film scanning to DPX files is an option to all three. They come only as Telecine (SDTV-HDTV) and scanning is an upgrade to them.

All the other Motion picture film scanners are just that scanners, not telecines. The new Spirit Datacine 4k can come in a scanner only mode, thus it is not a telecine at all, in this configuration (most likely why they call it a Datacine, not a telecine). To call these Motion picture film scanners a telecine is an error.

  • I agree the front ends of the two are a like.
  • I will work to update Motion picture film scanner with the above info.
  • Your feedback helped me to see that more detail is needed on Motion picture film scanner page. Thank you. 24.205.90.210 02:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Oppose - they have some overlap, but are very different based both on their method of operation and their outputs (and restricting principles). Girolamo Savonarola 11:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Just noting here that User:The Anome removed the merge tags today. Consensus does seem to be against the merge. I still think that even if they are not the same, both articles need to do a better job explaining the differences if they have any right to be seperate articles, rather than 1 article about two similar technologies... jhawkinson 03:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Having some first-hand experience with telecine and scanners, I can see both ways: I think that these topics are much too similar to justify separate entries, but the question is, similar in which perspective? They're very distinctive for a datacine engineer, but quite the same for the general public. At the same time, the more I think about it, the less possible it is to merge the articles. Calling a telecine a datacine, and vice versa, is a factual error.
The difference is akin to capturing a document with a camera and a flatbed scanner. Both telecines and datacines have to deal with stable transferring of optical film to electronic signals, and in the digital age, to a stream of digital bits. But telecines, by definition ("tele...vision"), are confined to video specs (which also implies running in real time).
If anything, there can be a "film capture devices" page, but that'll include still photography film scanners, motion picture film scanners, telecines, and optical printers.
Binba 20:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)