Talk:Ned Garver

3rd paragraph

RIP the great Ned Garver, maybe the unluckiest pitcher of them all.

Anyway, 3rd paragraph is

Garver remains the only pitcher in modern baseball history (post-1920) to win 20 or more games for a team which lost 100 or more games in the same season, and the only pitcher to do so with a winning record.

Well but if he's the only pitcher to win 20, then of course then (since he had a winning record) he's the only pitcher to win 20 with a winning record. It's redundant. I'm not sure what we're trying to say here: "He's the only pitcher in modern baseball history (post-1920) to win 20 or more games for a team which lost 100 or more games in the same season, and what's more, he even had a winning record" or is it "He's the only pitcher in modern baseball history (post-1920) to win 20 or more games for a team which lost 100 or more games in the same season, and the only pitcher ever -- even going back before 1920 all the way to the start of major league baseball -- to do so with a winning record." It could be clearer. Herostratus (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kaleeb18 (talk · contribs) 19:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello there, I'll be reviewing this one using the table below. Don't know much about baseball (besides how to play and some stuff about the Braves), but I like sports so. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	;the older Garver had once experienced success as an amateur pitcher – what is this trying to say? Garver was sent to the San Antonio Missions, another Double-A team in the St. Louis Browns organization, in 1946 and he – put in 1946 at the beginning of the sentence (don't forget to put a comma after 1946 when you do) and a comma before and following that with five scoreless innings but taking the loss in a 3–1 defeat – comma before but "but" actually doesn't take a comma here because it does not start a clause that could be independent. If it were, "following that with five scoreless innings but he took the loss in a 3-1 defeat," then a comma would be needed. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 23:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC) Well that was an obvious duh. Don't know why I said that and he was one two pitchers in the 20th century – add the word of after one The Opening Day starter for the Athletics in 1958, Garver held the Indians to seven – As should be before the
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	20 or more games for a team that lost 100 – add games after 100 Despite these statistics, his record was 13–18 – Despite is a word to watch and I think I would just start the sentence with His record was
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.	spotchecks for refs 8, 13, 31, 50, 51, 73, and 89 look good, but ref 39 seems to be a dead link
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	The copyvio detector picks up a 48.5% violation possibility from the SABR ref, but it looks good to me as the stuff you copied from there you put in quotes. The other percentage come from random stuff like "with two outs in"
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	, even though the Browns only won 52 games total that season – this sounds life puffery when saying even though and only , an injury that would forever alter the way he would pitch – this doesn't sound neutral. Maybe just say altering the way he would pitch I don't understand how this is not neutral. The sources say that because of the injury, Garver could not pitch the same way he had before it. Forever is not a term that expresses positivity or negativity about the result. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC) True. I'm just being super picky. Nervous, he allowed three runs in the first inning, – remove Nervous it doesn't sound like formal tone
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	All images are in the public domain
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	In the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th images the captions should specify that they are baseball cards of him
	7. Overall assessment.