Talk:Oh Father

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Formats and track listings[edit]

Does anyone know the run times for the songs listed in the "Formats and track listings" section? Underneath-it-All 15:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The information on the U.S. picture sleeve for "Oh Father" was incorrect. "Keep It Together" (1990) was the last U.S. 45 to be issued with a picture sleeve. Indeed, there is no known U.S. picture sleeve for "Oh Father"; it was issued with a generic white sleeve. I have corrected the information here and put the correct information with "Keep It Together." Cheemo 08:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


Oh Father Original Picture[edit]

The original picture on the single was Madonna in a black and yellow dress with black hair and she had on black boots...I still have the single and would love to post the picture...Jdcrackers 01:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh Father single cover[edit]

I uploaded the original single cover picture today from my "Oh Father" Cassette single I bought back in 1989. If anyone disapproves of this please let me know! Jdcrackers 01:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ohfathercover.jpeg[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

girl[edit]

who is the little girl in the video Oh Father? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.215.157.99 (talk) 20:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Grammy nomination[edit]

Maybe there should be a brief mention about a Grammy nomination for Best Short Form Music video? http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19910111&slug=1260054 182.239.162.70 (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the link. Great help. — Legolas (talk2me) 15:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Unverifiable source[edit]

I noticed that Legolas added the below-listed reference to an article supposedly by Paul Zollo called "Madonna on her turbulence". I cannot find any trace of this article, let alone written by this author:

I have challenged Legolas for similar unverifiable sources at Talk:Saqib Saleem and Talk:Madonna: Like an Icon/GA1, and I have seen the exact same Zollo cite at Keep It Together (Madonna song), also added by Legolas. I suspect that the pressure to advance articles to GA level has caused Legolas to falsify sources which is why I am here investigating the article. Binksternet (talk) 18:52, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I know it's very late, but still. I don't think the source was falsified intentionally. This website states that the interview originally appeared on Songtalk and later on Zollo's book (which I've used as a source in the article). He probably adapted the details from that. Ryoga (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Is this song really about Madonna's Father[edit]

What is the source that tells us that the lyrics are about Madonna's father and not Patrick Leonard's father or neither? Being that Dear Jessie is about Patrick Leonard's daughter and that Dear Jessie leads into Oh Father without gap/silence, I always figured it was about Patrick Leonard's father, not Madonna's father. There is a symmetry to the songs, the first is about being a parent the second about being a child. Moreover, Oh Father seems to be a about a physically abusive father, which I have never heard about Madonna's father. Repliedthemockturtle (talk) 00:09, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

It is clearly written and sourced "Generally accepted by critics and academics as a love letter to Tony Ciccone or as an indictment, Madonna never divulged her inspiration behind "Oh Father", except saying that the song was about her father and a tribute to Simon & Garfunkel, her favorite band at that time". Where are you getting the above about Patrick Leonard? Or is it your personal analysis? —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 04:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I understand the "generally accepted" part, but is it true? I pose this as a question because I don't know the answer. I find it to be an extremely difficult topic to research on google.Patrick Leonard was the coauthor of the song. Also it seems unlikely that someone would write a song about their father being so abusive unless they truly were so abusive. I'll leave it at that. You are an excellent writer, but imo some of the article reads more like a review or "liner notes" than an encyclopedia entry. Those are my thoughts. No interest in starting a big debate. Repliedthemockturtle (talk) 21:57, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I found another book, The Billboard book of number one albums: the inside story behind pop music's blockbuster records where author Craig Rosen notes Madonna saying that "Oh Father" was inspired by both her father and her husband. And it was a statement for all kinds of paternal issues. The entry can be found in page 329, under the album Like a Prayer. I did not write this article, just checked the sources and they seem valid. By the way, it is absolutely fine that you clarified your doubt. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 07:52, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I looked up the lyrics and they are copyrighted as writer: Patrick Leonard copyright: EMI, Warner/Chappell. Madonna is not registered as a cowriter of the lyrics. [1]. Again I doubt it is about her father considering that she didn't write the lyrics. In any case, Patrick Leonard deserves a lot more credit on this page. Repliedthemockturtle (talk) 17:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Again, I should remind you that your interpretations of the song and your thoughts about who it is about is not acceptable here, this is not a forum. I have already provided you sources to the contrary. If you have anything constructive about the article, please post here, else please read the guidelines at no original research. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 17:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Dude, why are you getting so angry? Madonna did not write the lyrics is not my opinion; it's fact. I gave you a reference to the copyright information. Quoting someone else's opinion from a book is not a fact and is not appropriate as scholarly reference unless directly stated as "critic X opines that this song is about Y". I have a right to discuss my views on this page. That is what the talk page is for. Truth survives criticism and scrutiny. Repliedthemockturtle (talk) 19:58, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm not getting angry and this is the last time I will be posting in this section. A third grade, copyviolationg, unreliable source like this has no candle to reliable sources like Billboard, Rolling Stone, authors like Lucy O'Brien, J. Randy Taraborrelli etc which is being cited here. Broadcast Music Incorporated lists both Madonna and Patrick Leonard as songwriters of the song. Every note and assertions you have made is "your" own opinion, not a reliable sources and certainly not from songwriters governing body like BMI or ASCAP. To point you out, "Quoting someone else's opinion from a book is not a fact and is not appropriate as scholarly reference unless directly stated as" → Get yourself acquainted with verifiability policy of Wikipedia, as well as reliable sources policy pointed above. Just for more proof, do your research, go to Google Books and see what each and every reference here says about the song. Good day and don't waste your or others time like this. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 08:39, 23 January 2014 (UTC)