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To Admin/jeff the changes that i made at the start of the intro on the 19th century us law is already referenced along with the charge i was only toning down the biased slant of this article that makes it seem like they had something against this person. These charges where based on suspicion on the part of the US over-reaction machine and in international law and basic common law suspicion does not necessitate a crime so please be objective. In his case they had to refer to a 19th century treason law which is very broad just like the new NDAA act to charge him and i was just highlighting this fact which the other biased writers don't see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 03:43, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Moved this page because 'Sheik' is a title and shouldn't be in the page title. (ref: Walter Raleigh) Graft
Which prison is he in?
A New York Times article "Tape Tied to Al Qaeda Urges More Attacks in Iraq" (Sept 28, 2006) claims that he is in Springfield, Mo, USA.
Which prison is he really in?
- ADX Florence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 11:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The first sentence of the article reads:
"Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman (Arabic: عمر عبد الرحمن) (born May 3, 1938) is a blind Egyptian Muslim leader who is currently serving a life sentence at the Butner Medical Center which is part of the Butner Federal Correctional Institution in Butner, North Carolina, United States. "
Yet the last sentence in the "Activities in the US" subsection reads:
"He is currently an inmate at ADX Florence, Colorado."
Which is accurate?
This article has few sources its claims. Some links were gone or out of date, and not even from anywhere reliable. Since this is a newsworthy person and there should be plenty of references out there from news organizations, it shouldn't be hard. Wikipedia in general is moving in this direction.
The following link on the federal bureau of prisons demonstrates that as of 6/17/08, he is at Butner Federal Medical Center: http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&LastName=rahman&Middle=&FirstName=omar&Race=U&Sex=M&Age=&x=26&y=27 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamsjrcn (talk • contribs) 18:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Not convicted of...
I removed this piece fo text: 'not convicted of conspiring to bomb New York landmarks including the United Nations and FBI offices on October 1, 1995 nor were they convicted of the World Trade Center bombing of 1993, rather they were convicted under the US Civil War era law'. Can someone please demonstate how mentioning things they weren't convicted is notable? Were they tried and found not guilty, or is this just a rhetorical device? Ashmoo 02:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Proper transliteration, or lack therof
Jeez, that guy on the photo is the ugliest Santa ever seen! Ain't anybody a cute pic worthy of good ol' Umar "Handsome" abd al-Rahman?? And lest I forget: if nobody moves this article soon, some deeply hurt reindeer will - they got feelings too! Earnestly, speaking the contraction is ok, writing it is colloqial at best, poor from really, even if most English -and Arab- speakers don't know better - pls check Umar (name) and Harun al-Rashid. The wrong -though popular- form should become a redirect to the proper version.
Seditious conspiracy? Now that's a trumped up charge if I ever heard one...... just plain rediculous. I'm not saying he's innocent, I'm just saying we need more specific laws to fit specific crimes. Also, does the encyclopedia really need to turn into Fox News? Non-stop terror alerts are exactly what don't need.
AgentSpion 18:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
It is concerning that someone would remove information about the legal processes that Omar Abdel-Rahman, the subject of the biographic entry, has undergone. In my view, it would have been preferable to amend the entry to indicate that the subject had been charged with specific criminal offences but subsequently acquitted at trial. While I can understand not wishing to perpetuate rumours and innuendoes, e.g. 'it is alleged....", Mr Abdel-Rahman did actually face court concerning these matters. As Wikipedia is supposed to be a reference source, deleting factual information could be construed as a form of censorship, especially if it precludes the reader from further research avenues concerning the events in question. Beacon Intelligence (talk) 03:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Claim associated with him
I've replaced the out of date Reuters source with an available one that I believe contains the same content. However, it doesn't seem to support the way the source is described, as a description of the 'will' of a person is far from an actual statement from them. Nimmo 11:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I question whether his sons' names are really Mohammed Omar Abdel-Rahman and Asim Abdulrahman. Arabic names don't have an inheritable lastname-surname. The first name of the father becomes the last name of the child. So each generation has a different last name.
- The names carry more than one generation, so you might be Abdullah son of Ahmed son of Muhammad son of Abdelrahim, thus Abdullah Ahmed Muhammad Abdelrahim (sometimes with the "bin" modifier). So his son Mohammed is correctly named Mohammed Omar Abdel-Rahman, while his son Asim is likely Asim Omar Abdel-Rahman in his full legal name. But "likely" isn't enough to warrant changing a WP article's name, imho. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherurcij (talk • contribs) 12:54, 2009 July 18
from Al-Qaeda article
According to Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, the idea that "the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ...[is] a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him." But as Bergen himself admitted, in one "strange incident" the CIA did appear to give visa help to mujahideen-recruiter Omar Abdel-Rahman.
Possible status as Emir
In the book In the name of Osama bin Laden: Global Terrorism and the Bin Laden Brotherhood by Roland Jacquard, alleged Zawahiri operative Ahmed al-Sayed al-Najar is cited as saying that Abdel-Rahman had been appointed Emir by Egyptian Islamic Jihad and Gamaa Islamiya on the advice of Osama bin Laden, and his appointment was approved specifically by Mustapha Hamza and Rifai Taha.
Can any other sources back this up, put a date on this event, and describe what it means for Abdul-Rahman to be "Emir" in this context?
Timing is a problem. If this occurred after 1990, it raises the question of why Egyptian groups would give a leadership position to someone who was expelled from Egypt. If this occurred before 1990, it places Osama in a more active and authoritative position in worldwide terrorism than most sources suggest for him in that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dturover (talk • contribs) 07:09, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I work on the phone and spoke to a member of the US Defence dept. that told me that Bengazi was suppposed to be a kidnapping, which would have allowed Pres. Obama to release Omar Abdel Rahman in a trade with Pres. Morsi of Egypt without losing face. The military was told to stand down because of the "deal", but the Navy SEALS did not get the message and because they were attacking, the local Al Queda that were doing the kidnapping went berzerk and slaughtered everyone. Obviously, none of this can go public because Pres. Obama, Secy. of State Clinton, and several high ranking military officials would be destroyed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:22, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The entire section is unreferenced.