Talk:San Francisco Rush (rugby union)

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Requested move 10 March 2017[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Primary topic becomes San Francisco Rush: Extreme Racing, with a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT from the current dab page, which is deleted per WP:TWODABS. Consensus that, taking into account page views, and significance as gleaned from Google searches, the video game is primary. — Amakuru (talk) 08:31, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

San Francisco Rush (rugby) → San Francisco Rush – Only two items at the dab page. Move this and add a hatnote for the other. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:11, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Your proposal is assuming the defunct professional rugby club from the United States that only played for one season is the primary topic over a very popular (albeit older) video game. A simple Google search on "San Francisco Rush" gets far more results on the video game and the series it spawned showing "San Francisco Rush" is also its common name. While not the full title of the game or article, it used to be a redirect to that page before the creation of the rugby team. Rugby in the US is notoriously not covered very well by the media and therefore not as notable. So per WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY, the opposite of your proposal might actually be more correct per common usage of the term, but it is arguable that neither can claim primary. Although hatnotes on each page could suffice, the dab page can help distinguish the links better for those who link to the Rush via dab bots. In the end, neither will likely get very many more links as one is a defunct team in a likely defunct league and the other is a video game from a series that hasn't had an installment in over 10 years. Yosemiter (talk) 21:45, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose proposal and support reverse suggestion from Yosemiter, per page views [1] which indicate the video game is primary between these two. San_Francisco_Rush:_Extreme_Racing → San Francisco Rush --В²C ☎ 23:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move per the above, but support the removal of the DAB page and replacement with hatnotes, since that is required by WP:TWODABS — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 04:45, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Update: See below about third thing by this name (a poker league franchise); it may be notable, or just local amateur stuff, I'm not sure. If notable, keep DAB page since TWODABS would no longer apply. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 04:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@SMcCandlish: as part of your suggestion to remove the DAB, would you determine that "San Francisco Rush" redirect to the video game or rugby team? (Per WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY, it seems it would be the video game, but that is my observation.) Yosemiter (talk) 06:17, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking that "San Francisco Rush" should not be a redirect, but the actual title of the video game article, since it appears to be the primary topic. A Google News search [2] produces mostly results for the video game and stuff connected to it (e.g. a software startup related to it in some way), and a poker league franchise by the same name (apparently named after the video game, which the rugby team probably was as well), plus some false hits for things like rushes (the plant) and rush-hour traffic. It's not clear that the rugby team is even notable; the sources are almost entirely insider rugby leage publications.

And I think maybe someone needs to investigate the poker thing; if it's a pro league and has coverage outside the SF Bay Area and outside poker-league publications, then we need a third article and the DAB page should remain one, with three entries. Then another analysis may need to be done for PRIMARY, though I think the video game will still be it, with the DAB page being San Francisco Rush (disambiguation).
— SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 04:55, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I don't think we can rely on Google News hits for this comparison primarily because a 20-year-old video game is not going to be covered in the newspapers. The poker team you refer to might be as notable the rugby team. The poker team is in a new-ish league (hence the higher current position in the G-News hits) and has some notable poker players involved with the teams. Based on the general Google search, the video game spans at least the first 4 pages with a couple of reference to the rugby team and no poker team hits until the third page. Yosemiter (talk) 19:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. "Rugby" is needed in the title. It need not be parenthetical. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:52, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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