Talk:Sarah Obama

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Note: (July 2008) The discussion of a previous merger proposed is here: Barack Obama, Sr.#Merge proposal.

This article was nominated for deletion on 11 March 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on 12 July 2008. The result of the discussion was merge.

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merger proposal (old)[edit]

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I do not think this article should be merged. Michelle Obama and Barack Obama Senior have their own wikipedia pages, even though they are solely famous by relationship to Senator Obama. I think his grandmother deserves her own page too, especially since she's being quoted more and more often in the media.

I would ask that the notability and merge tags be removed. GreekParadise (talk) 16:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Considering that George W. Bush's great-great grandfather has an article of his own, I believe that Barack Obama's step-grandmother, who is still alive and giving interviews to the press, is notable enough to warrant an article. --Tocino 05:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If there's a problem, we could merge and redirect these lesser articles into a "Relatives of Barack Obama" article, and put a summary in the main Obama page with a link to the full article. That would be the most efficient, in my view. --Scharb 17:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scharb (talk • contribs)

I think that Sarah Obama plays a special role in Obama's life that the other Kenyan relatives do not play. There's a reason the media always goes to her for first comment. How about this compromise? We rename the "Sarah Obama" page to be "Sarah Obama and Barack Obama's relatives in Kenya." I think people are more likely to search for "Sarah Obama" than "Kenyan relatives of Barack Obama."GreekParadise (talk) 21:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's way too clumsy for a title (see WP:NAME). I'd agree with Scharb's suggestion, but unless editors of the other tiny sub articles for other relatives agree, there's no point in changing this one.Tvoz |talk 18:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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electricity?[edit]

Erased "no television, no telephone, no electricity" because in the videos linked you can clearly see plugs in electrical outlets and repeated reference to calls being placed to Sarah Obama are made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.221.251 (talk) 05:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have to be careful of original research and synthesis - would be best to find sources that provide accurate reporting of this, rather than making assumptions from the videos. How do we know for sure that the videos were made in her own residence, for example? Tvoz |talk 18:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

grandmother or aunt?[edit]

Sarah Obama is Barack Obama's Paternal Aunt according to his book, Dreams of My Father. Her mother is Barack Obama's Grandmother who left his grandfather and children, Sarah and Barack Sr. with him. Luxie59 (talk) 17:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, if I understand it correctly, I think you have the wrong Sarah. The woman this article is about, who he refers to as his grandmother, was actually his step-grandmother, the third wife of his grandfather, who took care of Barack Sr after Barack Sr's mother left the grandfather. There was another Sarah, I believe, who was Barack Sr.'s sister, Jr.'s aunt. But that's not this one. See this. Tvoz |talk 18:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

delete re-nomination (old)[edit]

Please note this was an out-of-process exercise: there was no AfD in May 2008. Tvoz/talk 00:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Note - ObamaGirlmachine (below) is a problematic and potentially disruptive new WP:SPA account that has been canvassing others to come to this and other pages in an attempt to delete articles for Obama family members - Wikidemo (talk) 16:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She isn't notable. I am re-nominating this article to be deleted. ObamaGirlMachine (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support deleting. Not notable and there is no reason to think the person this article is about will be notable in the future WP:NOTCRYSTAL. Being mentioned a few times by the media doesn't make you notable. I'm using this same argument for all biography articles being nominated for deletion that are related to Barack Obama, it's clear that Michelle Obama is the only notable person given an article, the others all seem to be fluff. QuirkyAndSuch (talk) 01:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 13:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. We had this discussion before in March. But I feel so strongly about it, I will repeat some of what I said then: For the first time in American history, we may have a President who has a woman he calls his grandmother not only living in a foreign country but in a small village in Africa with no television set. This is not just notable; it's mind-boggling. Imagine a United States President visiting a tiny village in Africa to see his "grandmother." This is the kind of thing that can dramatically change perceptions of the United States of America worldwide. And some want to delete it? By deleting this article, you would wipe out of wiki-existence not only an important person in Obama's life but the most significant living tie of a likely US President to a third-world country in all of US history. At the very least, Sarah Obama could be merged into the Barack Obama article, but I think she more properly has her own article. That way, when she is mentioned throughout the world as one reason why people in third-world countries trust America more if Obama became President, people at least will understand who she is. This sounds like a POV but it is not. It is a fact that there is a striking and dramatic difference between the current President, who is the son of President and grandson of a US Senator, and a Presidential aspirant who is the grandson of a poor family in Africa. Sarah Obama is the living embodiment of that difference.GreekParadise (talk) 02:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. Subject has been interviewed repeatedly by major international news outlets, including English-language ones. It's not Wikipedia's call to create her notability, but she plainly has it now. -Yamara ✉ 15:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. per comments by Yamara. Chupper (talk) 19:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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