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Service Corps of Retired Executives[edit]

Moved from User talk:Jeraxmoira § Service Corps of Retired Executives

– Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you are a very busy Wikipedia editor but I am extremely disappointed that you have chosen to place this article in draft mode because you feel that it "needs more sources to establish notability". First, with regards to notability, this organization was created by an act of the United States Congress in 1964. It has over 350 offices throughout the U.S. has 10,000 volunteers and has given free business advice to over 10,000,000 business since its creation nearly 60 years ago. Who in the U.S. has not heard of SCORE? Regarding sources, all of this is extensively documented in a dozen reliable sources in the article which include:

The United States Small Business Administration
A bill introduced in the United States Senate by Senator Joni Ernst to upgrade the organization
An article from Inc Magazine
An article from The Washington Daily News
An article from The Buffalo News
An article from The United States Chamber of Commerce
An article from MarketWatch
An article from Newsweek magazine
An article from the New York Post
An article from Forbes magazine

I have been a Wikipedia editor for over 18 years and I have edited over 3,000 pages and written 31 articles. I have never had this experience with any other reviewer and I am at a complete loss as to how I should proceed. BuffaloBob (talk) 23:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BuffaloBob, It doesn't matter who has created the organization, as it needs to pass WP:ORG to be notable. The number of offices, volunteers and the fact that people have heard about SCORE do not make it notable.

Here is my source eval.

Encyclopedia source
Primary source
Primary source By U.S. Chamber of Commerce
The coverage in this magazine looks good towards GNG Y
Press release Jeraxmoira🐉 Yes, this is a press release but it is from an independent third party.
Press release
Press release
Reads like an advertisement disguised as an article WP:NEWSWEEK (2013–present)
No significant coverage
The forbes article contributed by Next avenue is suspicious as well.

The external links that you have added "How to become a Certified SCORE Mentor", "How to request free business advice" and the other press releases only makes it look like the intention was to promote SCORE.

Feel free to submit the article for a review, another reviewer may evaluate it. Thank you Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like the encyclopedia source lists a bibliography that almost certainly meets NCORP. Moreover, while secondary vs tertiary can sometimes matter for questions of WP:DUE and precision, I would still generally count encyclopedia coverage itself as a viable GNG-building source (provided that the encyclopedia itself is reputable). _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jeraxmoira; I believe that I have made the the requisite edits to meet with your approval. If you agree then I would request that you publish the article which would be more efficient than if I resubmitted it through the portal only to have another reviewer take the time that you have already invested. If you are not in agreement please be more specific at to what you feel is inadequate. BuffaloBob (talk) 18:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As Rosguill mentioned, just by using the sources that the Inc. used in their article will make this notable. AfC is not necessary, so feel free to move it back to mainspace when you are sure it's ready. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jeraxmoira, have you actually marked the page as "reviewed'? BuffaloBob (talk) 18:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have not. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible source[edit]

@BuffaloBob:, @Jeraxmoira:

Hello. I indirectly came across this talk page via one of Jeraxmoira's edits. I found a research (review) article pertaining to SCORE and I am wondering if this would be useful or acceptable as independent sourcing. Here is link to this article online [1]. At the bottom of the first page of the article (p.525) you will notice the name, volume number, and issue number -- of the publication -- along with the page numbers (525-548). It also has a DOI number. Well, check it out. The Hein Online database is how I accessed this in the first place ---Steve Quinn (talk) 15:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first part of this Washington Post article may be useful [2]. The first part discusses SCORE and the problems it faces. The second part is an interview with the VP of that organization at that time. Not sure if the any of the interview would be useful. It can also be accessed via Gale. The document number is: GALE|A392105250. The title there is "SCORE has a plan to stay relevant" ----Steve Quinn (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve, thank you so much. Your suggestions are helpful. BuffaloBob (talk) 21:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]