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Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2016

Please change the word "drummer" in the sentence below to "percussionist" or "auxiliary percussionist". Drummer is primarily used when referring to the main kit drummer which in this case is Joey Jordison. For the way this article is written call Greg Welts the band's new drummer can confuse users as his role was actually as a percussionist and he did not play the main drum kit. Thanks for your assistance in this change.

While working in the studio, Slipknot continued performing at local shows; during one in September 1997, Colsefni announced on stage his departure from the band.[18] Greg Welts—nicknamed "Cuddles"—was the band's new drummer. 76.188.104.8 (talk) 11:12, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Done.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  20:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Trimming associated acts

The instructions at Template:Infobox musical artist#associated_acts tell us that we should include:

  • Other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together
  • Groups which have spun off from this group
  • A group from which this group has spun off

It says we should avoid:

  • Association of groups with members' solo careers
  • Groups with only one member in common
  • One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song
  • Groups that have played or toured together as separate acts
  • Groups that are merely similar

In this light, MetalDylan, can you see why I removed Murderdolls? The only Slipknotter in that band is Jordison. Can you see why I removed To My Surprise? The only Slipknotter is Crahan. Same with Scar the Martyr and Junk Beer Kidnap Band. The band Will Haven is merely similar to Slipknot. The band Anal Blast is not notable. Binksternet (talk) 08:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

You seem to want to make it by the letter of law, understandable. However, are you therefore going to go around all musical acts and amend their "assosciated acts"? The like of Marilyn Manson, Korn, The White Stripes, etc? Having this list of assosciated acts as was wasbeneficial to the user as it points them in the direction of bands that are ASSOSCIATED with Slipknot. I don't understand why this issue is cropping up now when it has been like this for years without issue? If anything by doing this you are now making more work for people as that list will now be constantly modified, are you going to police that? MetalDylan (talk) 08:19, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I stand by the "letter of the law", so to speak. I am only one guy, but if I had the time I would go around to every band and remove the listings that are not so closely associated, per the instructions. I don't care how many years the listing was wrong. Binksternet (talk) 08:50, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
These rules should not be applied literally in my opinion. Bands such as To My Surprise and Murderdolls are notable in reference to Slipknot specifically because of the context in which Slipknot's members performed in those bands – Slipknot took a hiatus so that the members could go off and perform in these, and other, bands. This means that there is a hell of a lot of independent media coverage about these bands in relation to Slipknot. To remove them from associated acts would be ridiculous. Things like Anal Blast and Body Pit, they should of course not be there because they do not have articles. Andre666 (talk) 09:12, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
The only side projects of slipknot that should be listed are ones that have actually released albums, so Stone Sour, Murderdolls, To My Surprise, Dirty Little Rabbits, Scar The Martyr, Will Haven (your comment about this band merely sounding like slipknot was incorrect, Chris Fehn was their bassist and performed on their album), Roadrunner United. Anal Blast do not need to be included as IMO they are an equivalent to bands that the members were in before they started slipknot. VIMIC and Sinsaenum and debateable as they were formed by a former member after he left. Whatever happened to the phrase "if it aint broke, don't fix it", there was nothing wrong with how this page was before. MetalDylan (talk) 12:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
In fact having read the article you use as "instructions" (they're not, they're guidelines) I found this so I think that says it all really.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by MetalDylan (talk • contribs) 12:12, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually, no, it does not "say it all". Rather, the text you have pictured here is supposed to be a summary of the more detailed instructions found farther up the page. Bands that have only one Slipknotter in them are not to be listed. Binksternet (talk) 19:25, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
It just categorically does not make sense to do that. By having a member of slipknot in another band then that band is associated. If there was a band that did not have a member in them then yes you would have to look deeper for a connection. By your logic stone sour should be removed as they only have one member of slipknot in that band... Ergo, does not make sense to exclude those bands! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MetalDylan (talk • contribs) 21:21, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

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Groove metal

I found three sources for groove metal. All totally reliable. Is it okay if we add groove metal to the genre field? it wouldn't cause controversy since Slipknot do sound like groove metal in some songs, especially on their later songs. Statik N (talk) 01:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, do we need to have "heavy metal" in the infobox. I mean, I'm fine with keeping it, but it's redundant because nu metal, alternative metal, and groove metal all are genres of heavy metal. Besides, the lead already says Slipknot are a heavy metal band (which we all know they are). Statik N (talk) 00:37, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Genre

Slipknot’s genre should be the same as it is now but should also include “heavy metal” they have proved on “volume 3” “all hope is gone” and “the gray chapter” that they use the traditional heavy metal sound as well as groove metal, nu metal, and alternative metal so it should be added Davatki (talk) 04:13, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Heavy metal should never have been removed, I didn't notice it had tbh. It even says in the intro "a heavy-metal band". MetalDylan (talk) 11:26, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I began a discussion recently suggesting that bands should only have members subpages if they have had large numbers of line-up changes. I don't believe that having a members subpage for this band is necessary, as there are only seven former members, a lot of the information there can already be found at the main article, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 12:33, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't know, seven lineup changes seems like a lot to me... dannymusiceditor Speak up! 21:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
I gave a specific number at the discussion – I invited you to have your say there (and if you had have, I would have had a bit more to go by), but you chose not to. I don't care if it's a featured list in this particular case, either. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 22:49, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Not sure why this was archived so quickly. It is an easy merge (the tables will simple replace the band member section at the main page). Not fussed either way, just tidying up old Good Articles. Ping me if you need help with the merge or want the discussion closed. AIRcorn (talk) 09:20, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Completed the merge. AIRcorn (talk) 09:14, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2018

Slipknot is not a "heavy metal" band by definition. If anything, they are alternative metal or alternative rock. 111satan (talk) 13:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: If you look in the infobox you'll see that alternative metal is also there. We are not going to remove heavy metal just because you disagree with it. Also, I'm not suggesting you make this change, but this page is only semi-protected so you can edit it. Bowling is life (talk) 14:00, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2019

Move Chris Fehn From current members to past members in the member's section. Chris Fehn is no longer with the band due to a lawsuit he served the other members over money disputes.

Source http://metalinjection.net/latest-news/chris-fehns-attorney-explains-timeline-of-slipknot-lawsuit-says-fehn-would-love-to-still-be-in-the-band?utm_source=related

Edit: Chris Fehn's status with the band is currently up in the air but will likely end so as of writing this there is no edit needed. 2604:6000:1527:227:D06B:111B:C074:1621 (talk) 04:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Joey Jordinson

Joey Jordison is back in the band, be sure to add that if you don't believe me go to there site or search it up somewhere LonelyKillerInTheMirror (talk) 04:28, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

  • It's a April Fool's joke on a satire site, not an actual news story. NJZombie (talk) 08:11, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Joey Jordison

Fuck I thought it was true god damnit 😂 LonelyKillerInTheMirror (talk) 16:44, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2019

Releases Wikipediaguy1029384756 (talk) 06:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann (talk) 08:03, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2019

Move Joey Jordinson from PAST MEMBERS to MEMBERS as he is currently Slipknot's percussionist

SOURCE:

https://www.metalsucks.net/2019/04/01/breaking-joey-jordison-back-in-slipknot-as-percussionist/ Chimbro (talk) 19:43, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: This is an April fools joke. 00aa0 (talk) 20:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2019

After Alessandro Ventruella took on keyboards and synthesisers can we not only change the timeline to represent this, but also create a new color/variable for synthesisers NebulaGRLLZ (talk) 09:38, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2019

Alessandro Ventruella is referred to more commonly as V-Man so can we change his name to: Alessandro "V-Man" Ventruella NebulaGRLLZ (talk) 09:43, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Slipknot (band)

I feel that slipknot is a very important band when it comes to the contributions they've made to heavy metal music. They've been active for over 20 years now and I want to request that a legacy page be added to their main article as it has been done for other bands who have made an impact. I myself can edit but I dont feel skilled enough in doing this myself. Amqwiki10 (talk) 13:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Not Heavy Metal.

Please!!! I beg you!!! Delete the "Heavy Metal" from Genre! It not heavy metal! you think Slipknot such as Metalica? Sliknot Genere is Alternative. Please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.142.218.215 (talk) 19:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  • They ARE a form of heavy metal. There are many sub-genres to heavy metal and Slipknot fits into at least one of those. Alternative just means something that is not part of what generally gets played on the radio. It's blanket description of many different underground genres of music and not a genre in itself. NJZombie (talk) 20:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
It's sourced in the article so it's staying whether you agree or not. How are they not Heavy metal? Bowling is life (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Izuroo (talk) 09:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Tortilla man

The tortilla man is Michael Pfaff who plays in Dirty Little Rabbits [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Izuroo (talk • contribs) 09:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Little_Rabbits

Michael Pfaff

Aight, I feel like this needs a proper discussion. So, the points of contention are:

  • Is NG/Tortilla Man Michael Pfaff or not?
  • Is NG/Tortilla Man an official member or not?

Regarding the first point, in my opinion, the instagram post should suffice as proof. Why would he be photographed along other members and sign the same book as them if he wasn't part of the band? I'm not entirely sure on what's considered a sufficient source by Wikipedia standards, though. But if it's not this, what would be? A reputated news website reporting the exact same thing?
As for the second point: Yes, he is an official member of the band. Of course he is. Touring member doesn't necessarily mean "lesser member" or something, only that so far, all he has done is touring with them. Seelentau (talk) 02:44, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

A photo of Pfaff's signature and a photo him standing next to two members of the band...
Instagram as a source is specifically mentioned here as "unacceptable". --DB1729 (talk) 03:40, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Well yes, on a page titled "Slipknot".
So a news website's report on it would suffice? Seelentau (talk) 05:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Sure. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Newspaper and magazine blogs for news sites. Any reliable source stating something like "The identity of Slipknot's new guy/Tortilla Man has been revealed as Michael Pfaff." --DB1729 (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that there is no official statement, but a “theory” (a guess, speculation or rumor) supported by a photos on Instagram or Facebook (not a reliable source). Also, Wikipedia is not the place for this kind of information: “The reporting of rumors has a limited encyclopedic value, although in some instances verifiable information about rumors may be appropriate”. Perhaps, we could mention it (as a rumor), but we should not include it as a fact. Regards. --Gusama Romero </talk> 23:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

By the way, look at how media have covered the information like a rumor (emphasis added):
  • CoS says: “it appears the identity of Slipknot’s newest member has finally been revealed”.
  • Blabbermouth says: “The latest photos, which were posted to the Postojna Cave Facebook account, support the theory that SLIPKNOT's newest member is the multi-instrumentalist Michael Pfaff”.
  • Louder says: “The identity of Slipknot’s mystery percussionist Tortilla Man has apparently been confirmed”.
  • Alternative Press says: “After many rumors and hearsay, we might finally have nailed down the official identity of Slipknot‘s Tortilla Man”.
  • Ultimate-Guitar says: “Slipknot's mysterious new percussionist Tortilla Man was seemingly unmasked, once again as Mr. Michael Pfaff”.
  • Etc.
That is, although it is a popular “theory”, it is still speculative. --Gusama Romero </talk> 00:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2020

New members in the band. TheSkillz (talk) 17:55, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

The new member is offically "Michael Pfaff". It was revealed by a slovenian cave, on their facebook page. TheSkillz (talk) 17:57, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Being discussed above, possibly too speculative to include – Thjarkur (talk) 19:25, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2020

i request to edit because slipknot is commonly known as a NU metal band, and as a huge fan, it troubles me they there genre is written wrongly 122.179.204.149 (talk) 09:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: We rely on what reliable sources say, not the opinion of fans and as such we think the genre's are written rightly (that includes nu metal). Robvanvee 09:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Michael “tortilla man” Pfaff

He has been confirmed as the official newest member, but these *ssh*l*s keep removing the stuff added about him. They confirmed it on Facebook back in February of 2020. WTF Jerry Steinfield (talk) 21:22, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

See above. Is not confirmed, and Facebook is not a reliable source. --Gusama Romero </talk> 04:17, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Instagram photo was confirmed and don’t I don’t necessarily f-ing care, but listen to the others because I’m not a professional so…yah. (BTW it was confirmed him just match up some of the clues) but I won’t go into any detail as I am not one to go off by. Jerry Steinfield (talk) 09:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

I don’t think you understand how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia doesn’t go on “speculation” or “clues”. Slipknot, the actual band, not one person has confirmed that’s who it is, it doesn’t matter how obvious it is, so until then, it’s all speculation. 108.56.225.184 (talk) 03:52, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Bargain?

So a lot of people seem to really want to list Pfaff as the new member, at least new touring member. Obviously there has been no official announcement from the band so he can't be listed in the "members" section, or as the official "touring member", but what about a blurb in the "Fourth hiatus, Fehn's departure, and We Are Not Your Kind (2017–2019)" section talking about it briefly, as long as it is noted to be speculative. Something like: 

       "It has been speculated by many that Crahan's former band mate Michael Phaff is the new touring member for the band, although no official announcement has been made by the band to back the claim."

This can be sourced as well with all the articles. But again, it doesn't bother me either way, just a thought.NotAWikiLoser (talk) 20:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Something like this was mentioned briefly above by @Gusama Romero: back in February. As you said, it would need to be properly sourced. The phrase "speculated by many" might draw a tag. I wouldn't be completely opposed to it, but would like to hear the thoughts from a few more editors. --DB1729 (talk) 21:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
As I pointed out in the edit when I put that in, it goes in line with how we put in Jay & Alessandro's identities months before they were announced (and that section of the article still has a lot of info about the speculation). It might be 'speculation' but reliable sources such as Loudwire and Alt Press has reported on that speculation, and with what I understand about reliable sourcing is true (and I might be wrong, please correct me if I am) 'speculation' such as that reported by a reliable source is allowed. If it's not, the section about Jay & Alessandro joining needs to be re-written to comply. I'd agree to not list anything beyond the "Tortilla Man" in the members section, but with a blurb about the reported identity in the section.RF23 (talk) 02:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
And also, I don't understand several editors arguments about "we can't put it in unless the band announces it", because 1. that's not what we've done in the past, and 2. that's not how sourcing works on wiki. We don't require first party sources to confirm things before they are added.RF23 (talk) 02:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Points taken. We don't have an official announcement because the band has no intentions of making one. That's part of the image. So I agree in that some editors demanding "we can't put it in unless the band announces it" is unreasonable. Now it's not like they are going to deny his identity forever. Sooner or later a band member is going to drop his name in an interview or something.
So what do we have now? Well, there's speculation and clues mostly, see above threads. There's video of Pfaff walking with the band at an airport, etc. The two things most cited lately are:
  • The Facebook post by Postojna Cave Park in Slovenia. It includes a photo of Pfaff standing next to Crahan and Weinberg, and a photo of signatures on a guestbook, one of them reading "Pfaff" (with a heart) all underneath the stylized Slipknot heading. (Note: Your edit included a slight error regarding this stating "based on signatures on an unmasked photo". These are two separate photos. The photo itself was not signed by anyone, nor is anyone claiming such a signed photo exists.)
  • The Loudwire report on the cave's facebook post. Loudwire states more or less the same as above, but adds that this "seals the deal".[1]
Seems to me the Loudwire article is partly responsible for so many people concluding that the facebook photos are now a slam-dunk confirmation of the identity. Loudwire is reporting it as fact ("seals the deal") based on that source (Facebook) and as such throws doubt on Loudwire as a reliable source.
I am okay with including Pfaff in the article as a theory, but it needs to be sourced as a theory. --DB1729 (talk) 12:59, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
If Loudwire reports on it; surely that would cement it as fact, as they would have editors or fact checkers and not report on something like that if they were unsure. Previous discussion has shown them to be a very reliable source. Metal Injection states (while linking to their reporting of the speculation) "Now that we know, basically for sure, that Slipknot's Tortilla Man is indeed Michael Pfaff" and they are also listed as a reliable source. Consequence of Sound, Blabbermouth, & Kerrang are all major publications that have reported on the speculation. (also as a side note as you mentioned, slipknot isn't gonna talk about it).RF23 (talk) 08:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
All other sources linked here and in previous threads above reported on this tentatively and stopped just short of stating it as confirmed. They all qualified their statements with words like "it appears" or "the theory". Only Loudwire has stated it as a confirmed fact. We are now asked to trust Loudwire has done their own investigation, discovered some additional evidence or anonymous source and then not mention it in their report. Seems I have no choice. If Loudwire has been shown by the community to very reliable, then I don't see how I can be in any position to revert the identity claim. --DB1729 (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, everybody. I agree to mention the Pfaff theory but I don't agree to listing him as a member (since it's still a guess).
And yes, we don't need a official statement, we need references to media that covers a official statement (secondary source). Actually, there is already an official announcement: Slipknot has stated that it has no intention of revealing the identity of the new member, the band members have denied the rumors (and they will continue to do it even if the conjecture is correct), and thet have joked about the identity of the new member ([2]).
The problem is that any media that affirms the identity of Tortilla Man is a primary source. So, we have to be careful how the sources are interpreted: documents that serve as “evidence” are unacceptable by itself, fan theory is a primary source, but media reporting on this conjecture may be acceptable.
So, the source quoted, Loudwire, it is not a primary source. However, what is written in the article makes it seem like a primary source: “Loudwire has reported his identity as Michael Pfaff […] ”. This is not correct, what source really claims is (emphasis added): “Internet sleuths all but confirmed this new member as Michael Pfaff […]”. and “Fans quickly linked this mystery member to Michael Pfaff, […]”. So the text should say: “Loudwire has reported that fans have linked his identity as Michael Pfaff”.
By the way, sorry if I made a grammatical mistake, english is hard. Bye. --Gusama Romero </talk> 06:44, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Timeline

I suggest placing the band members in the Timeline by the instruments they played when they joined the band, rather than by the ones they play now.

It should be: Anders (lead vocals) Corey (lead vocals) Donnie (guitar, then bass) Josh (guitar) Craig (guitar, then samples) Mick (guitar) Jim (guitar) Paul (bass) Alessandro (bass) Shawn (drums, then percussion) Joey (drums) Jay (drums) Greg (percussion) Brandon (percussion) Chris (percussion) Michael (percussion) Sid (turntables)

Also, band was formed in September 1995. I should fix this.

You're My Only Destiny (talk) 02:58, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2021

Remove "The new musicians had been viewed unfavorably by some of the band members; Shawn Crahan told Kerrang! magazine, "This is Slipknot, fuck both of those guys ... [t]hey'll never be in the band. Never."[107] Taylor also said the two "got a crack at designing their own masks and they failed miserably", and they were wearing masks given to them by the band.[107]" Not factual Eteyrh (talk) 10:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Mashaunix: this user is referring to your edit from quite a long time ago, do you still have the magazine that sources that claim? Volteer1 (talk) 15:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Oof, no I don't. And looking over it I do not care much for those edits I had made. Seems sensationalistic.--MASHAUNIX 16:35, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
@Mashaunix: how would you feel if that line was taken out? It already feels a bit uncomfortable having contentious material sourced to a magazine we can't access, but if you don't care too much for the edit anyway it doesn't seem so bad for it to be taken out for the time being (possibly adding in some other material about their views on the new members from another source). Volteer1 (talk) 03:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Done.--MASHAUNIX 19:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2021

Quit calling them nu-metal. Double bass blast beasts and speed aren’t really a nu metal sounds 167.142.17.162 (talk) 05:31, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

  •  Not done. We don't analyze the music and decide on genre. Instead, we look at all the published literature, and summarize it. The literature is emphatic that Slipknot was very strongly associated with the nu metal movement of the late 1990s, even if their sound was more than just nu metal.[3] So nu metal is staying. Binksternet (talk) 05:40, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Request to Change Member Details.

Under members their is "the mystery guy" for 1998. "Unknown Percussionist" would work better as their is no official name to him. https://slipknot.fandom.com/wiki/The_Mystery_Guy does prove that as it cites proof as to why this is a different person and not a misunderstanding. I'm not even sure if he should be on the timeline but I think he should stay under former members. Pepperonigum (talk) 05:33, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

A fan-wiki or someone's detective work isn't proof that such a "mystery guy" exists. So no, this should not be mentioned anywhere on the page. It's bs. Seelentau (talk) 23:11, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 Not done per above.  melecie  t - 00:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Pfaff again

So they're selling neck gaiters on the official store, and it had New Guy's version listed as "Pfaff" for around an hour or two, but changed it to "New Guy" by now. Is this proof enough, by WP standards? Pics [4]. The images of the item are still named PFAFFNECKGAITE.png, by the way. You can check for yourself here, for example. Seelentau (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Seen on a note from Blabbermouth: Identity Of SLIPKNOT's TORTILLA MAN Apparently Confirmed By Band's Official Mechandise Store (emphasis added). The same thing that has been said above, is very speculative, very vague. --Gusama Romero </talk> 22:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh, okay. So if the "apparently" wasn't there, it would be valid proof, by WP standards? The actual fact being there isn't enough, a news website has to present it as an official fact first before we can add it? Is that how it works? Seelentau (talk) 23:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Would this suffice? "Slipknot Accidently Confirms Identity of Tortilla Man". Seelentau (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
It is not enough. For now, any claims that Pfaff is Tortilla Man are an original research. Also, the cited sources focuses on the event that happened in the official store, which is rather a trivial fact. --Gusama Romero </talk> 00:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, but that's the point: The official store sold a mask with Pfaff's name in the title and this website wrote an article about it, without the "apparently" you criticised in your source. So in conclusion, wouldn't this source fit WPs standards? Seelentau (talk) 09:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

No, because we are here to build an encyclopedia with verifiable information and not to fill articles with rumors and trivial facts. To be honest, I find it frustrating that the band doesn't make a statement about the new member's identity, but I understand why they do. I think that this "filtration" it was on purpose, look like a kind of publicity stunt (and is a bit of a trolling). It was very effective, we just need look at how the media have echoed this. But we need to rember that the band has done this before, hide the identity of their new members, and only after of the leaks, finally confirmed it. However, this time they have been more successful in keeping the secret and exploiting it. By the way, previously Corey Taylor said that he loves this theories, that none are correct and even if they were, the band will not confirm it. As an encyclopedia this situation leaves us in a bad place, because the evidence is there, but it is not enough. --Gusama Romero </talk> 22:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

It is not a romor anymore, it's an fact, that is supported by a number of sources, it just was not officially announced. if we would use the "only when it is officailly anounced"-standards everywhere here on wikipedia, most history articles would be pretty short. Norschweden (talk) 03:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Say that it is a fact that Pfaff is the new member is a misreading of the sources. Sources, see previous conversations, report how Tortilla Man's identity has generated speculation, how there is evidence suggesting his identity, and how fans have linked him to Pfaff. It is slightly different. That is why the article already mentions this hypothesis (it is relevant), but it cannot be listed as a member yet (at least without specifying that it is a conjecture and not a formal confirmation or an official announcement). --Gusama Romero </talk> 17:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
How is the following a misreading: The bandana was initially sold under the "Pfaff" name. An online newspaper reported on this incident without any words like "apparently". So by my understanding, this would be enough as a confirmation, no? I mean, why else would they sell it as "Pfaff" first and then change it to "New Guy" later on?
On a related note: If we not change "Tortilla Man" to "Michael Pfaff", shouldn't we at least change it to "New Guy", since that's the band's own terminology? Seelentau (talk) 08:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, he should be called New Guy at least. and please stop calling him a touring member without any source Norschweden (talk) 02:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
That's rich coming from you, when you don't provide a source for him being on any of their recordings. Seelentau (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
that's not what a touring member is, even in this article it is handeled otherwise. your definition of a touring member is baseless, you have no sources, you just claim that wikipedia defines it that way, although it is nowhere handeled like you say, not even in this article Norschweden (talk) 20:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

How is it baseless? A touring member supports a band on their tour, right? That's what Pfaff does. Could it be that you think this implies that he's not an actual member of the band? Because that's not the case, he's a touring member after all. It's just that his participation has only been in the form of touring, so far. Seelentau (talk) 21:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

again thats not the definition of a touring member, not even in this article, otherwise steele would be labaled as such aswell, but he isn't, he is a full member unless you can provide a source calling him a touring member Norschweden (talk) 22:45, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Steele recorded with them for .5: The Gray Chapter. Seelentau (talk) 23:00, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
that's vague and there is not just steele, and again your definition is not the definition of a touring member, besides that you can't just claim he is a touring member without any sources. wikipedia is for facts, not theories Norschweden (talk) 19:16, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
How's that vague? A member of the band said that Steele recorded bass parts on the album. How many or which they are wasn't the question, just if he did.
As for Pfaff, the point is simple: He's only a touring member because he's absent on any of their recordings. If you say otherwise, you should be able to provide a Slipknot recording where he is present, right? Seelentau (talk) 20:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed Plaff again. There is no official confirmation yet, nor consensus. See above, also Talk:Slipknot (band)/Archive 15#Michael Pfaff, Talk:Slipknot (band)/Archive 15#Michael “tortilla man” Pfaff and Talk:Slipknot (band)/Archive 15#Bargain?. --Gusama Romero </talk> 23:01, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2022

Slipknot are not metal, so this needs to be changed to "alternative rock." 174.247.208.50 (talk) 15:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: See edit request above Cannolis (talk) 15:31, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Pfaff Confirmed

Slipknot confirmed the identity of Michael Pfaff on Twitter promoting a Reddit AMA

https://twitter.com/slipknot/status/1504157737986379779 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.160.134 (talk) 18:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2022

Darkerwaves (talk) 18:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC) I need to edit something about the genre.
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 18:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2022

Pfaff is misspelled as Phaff in at least one spot Cubethecontroller (talk) 17:42, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Done, thank you! The Human Spellchecker (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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