Talk:Thallium poisoning case of Zhu Ling

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Move To Zhu Ling?[edit]

If the name of the person is Zhu Ling, then shouldn't the article be moved to Zhu Ling instead of Zhuling? Opblaaskrokodil 03:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 07:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greater clarity[edit]

I think this article would benefit from a greater level of depth. For instance, Zhu Ling did die, correct? The article seemed a little vague on this. Also, what did the suspect say on the internet forum that was so controversial? If he/she was found innocent, then a proclamation of his/her innocence would seem standard, not something to cause chaos. Opblaaskrokodil 03:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From what I read in the Chinese version, this Zhu Ling did not die. Her life was saved, but she will be lying on the bed forever in her life. The suspect was said to have a very "solid" background in Beijing. If you have some understanding about the politics in Mainland China, you can guess about what is happening. -- Tomchiukc 05:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguity[edit]

This "Zhu Ling" has got the same pronunciation as another "Zhu Ling" (朱靈) of nearly 2000 years ago. How are we going to distinguish the two? -- Tomchiukc 04:59, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the content of this girl to "Zhu Ling (1973)", and the 2000 years old vassal to "Zhu Ling (Three Kingdoms)".--Tomchiukc 06:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion[edit]

Since releasing her statement, the former suspect has been bombarded by tens of thousands of emails from angry protesters. Her telephone numbers, home address, email, even personal photos were released in public by anonymous, self-claimed people's internet law enforcement. Hundreds of people sent emails and faxes to the companies where her relatives and friends worked. Their home address, telephone number, personal photos, even private email exchanges were released in public


--- There is no source provided for the above paragraph

"Hopes

ZHU Ling's parents still have ZHU Ling's long hair from 1995, with the advanced technology, we might be able to detect the poison patterns and timeline from her hair, based on volunteer's research, the hair amount we have now is not enough for the current Forensic Science study, but with the continue technology advance, it will!"


--- There's an unclear authoritative voice in the "we"; this information also would need citation, and grammatical clean-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahmcm (talk • contribs) 05:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move proposal[edit]

Proposal: move to Zhu Ling (student) or Zhu Ling (poisoning victim). "(1973)" is more appropriate for a film or event. Badagnani 18:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why avoiding to include the name of the only suspect?[edit]

Just want to protect her privacy? It sounds like Ostrichs' logic. Her name is widely known by Chinese who pay attention on this case. The Chinese version of this article also includes her name. It's not a secret. I don't think there is a reason not to include the name.

What about your opinions? 210.145.79.163 (talk) 17:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly suggest the only suspect should be listed here, even though she's not happy this page has something to do with her name.

The then and now only suspect is Sun Wei, Chinese name 孙维，also used Jasmine Sun, 孙释颜. She is one of roommates of Zhu Ling, used to work in Nokia China, and moved to USA in 2006. It is said by not confirmed source she is now living in Maryland, working in Pfizer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lipchina (talk • contribs) 12:41, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the suspect is again confirmed in a recently news report from Southern Metropolis Daily. You can see the link here: http://epaper.oeeee.com/A/html/2013-04/19/content_1844139.htm [Chinese] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.246.2.134 (talk) 18:55, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the neutrality of the article has problems. The information about the suspect are widely known by the Chinese that pay attention on this case.And also the micro blog of Beijing's Public Security Bureau are stuffed with messages to request the poisoning law case of Zhu Ling to be retrialed from people all over China. http://e.weibo.com/pinganbeijing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendywung (talk • contribs) 07:49, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The then and now only suspect of Zhu Ling poisoning case, Jasmine Sun, by Chinese 孙维，or 孙释颜 escaped to US. This Thallium poisoning case occurred in Tsing Hua university in 1995. The victim and suspect are roommates of Tsinghua university. Due to the strong political power from the family of the suspect, this seems-easy to conclude case have been delayed to now and seems wouldn't be uncovered forever. For almost 20 years the victim, then beautiful and promising Tsinghua girl is still living in human vegetable state. Thanks god, this case becomes a high lighted media focus once again in China because of a similar Fudan university student poisoning case happened recently. Almost all Chinese netizens have taken actions to search this suspect. It is said This suspect works in Pfizer, lives in Maryland. Please report this, let more people know this sad story and catch the suspect. All Chinese will thank Americans. Last, mourn to those who lost lives in the explosion of Boston Marathon and earthquake of Yaan China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lipchina (talk • contribs) 15:46, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It does no good to delete or suppress the name of the suspect here or in the article, but, absent information from any reliable source that she committed the crime, inclusion in the article is inappropriate. We play only a tiny role in the harassment and abuse of the suspect; that is a global phenomenon, but the line must be drawn with respect to bald statements implying guilt. User:Fred Bauder Talk 11:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose, when sources are found, the way this subject is being used as a symbol of corruption and abuse by the Chinese elite, might be included. That does not justify hounding of the suspect. User:Fred Bauder Talk 11:34, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Blog and forums are not reliable sources according to Wikipedia[edit]

Links like these are not reliable source:

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_49c1101d0102eg4q.html

http://image.sciencenet.cn/olddata/kexue.com.cn/upload/blog/file/2010/3/201033113226569786.pdf

Neither is Usenet and bbs forum postings, such as Tianya.

Bobby fletcher (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The pdf file can be regarded as orginal research. However, the authenticity of the tianya post by the suspect is confirmed in various sources. (For example: http://epaper.oeeee.com/A/html/2013-04/19/content_1844139.htm) Since then, it would not be inappropriate to cite the one particular post, especially for including the claim of the suspect.

IMO, the Usenet post should be regarded as external link instead of reference, since that particular post is an event described in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.246.2.135 (talk) 17:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, the author of the http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_49c1101d0102eg4q.html is in fact ZHU's legal representative. The authorship is confirmed by the sina.com: [新浪个人认证] 朱令律师张捷，《环球财经》副总编，央视评论员，财经专家

Since nobody have seen any problem citing the Kernel Mailing List in the Wikipedia page of Linux, I also don't see any problem citing CONFIRMED source in the new media. (Especially, when the media coverage of this case is obstructed. (Original Reasearch, feel free to ignore this sentence.)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.246.2.135 (talk) 10:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

China Censhorship[edit]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113116/zhu-ling-attempted-murder-case-weibo# --119.192.173.132 (talk) 17:34, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He means that the certain keywords related to the case such as "Zhu Ling", "Sun Wei" (name of the victim and of the suspect) and "thallium" are censored in the biggest Chinese microblogging site sina weibo.

another verifiable source in addition to the report by the New Republic given above is the report by the global times Cold case petition grabs US attention [1]

138.246.2.135 (talk) 19:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

  1. ^ "Cold case petition grabs US attention". Global Times English. 2013-05-06. Retrieved 2013-05-06.

Edit request on 8 May 2013[edit]

Given the 2013 White House petition is included, please make it complete by linking to the petition page on whitehouse.gov.

Also, as the plain link starts with petition and is disallowed on wikipedia.org, we can use the official short url instead, which is http://wh.gov/zj2P

We should attach the link the to related text in the "2013 White House Petition" section, and in the "External Links" section.

ryenus (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: using a shortened URL to get around the URL blacklist doesn't seem kosher. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 15:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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