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Ancient Chinese states renames[edit]

See Talk:Chen (state) where many ancient Chinese states are up for renaming -- (talk) 05:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jiang Dingzhi and Jiang Dingzhi[edit]

Dear China experts: This old Afc submission is shortly to be deleted as a stale draft. It has quite a bit more information than the mainspace article. Should anything be transferred from the draft before it disappears? If so, we can keep the attribution by changing the draft into a reirect (perhaps Jiang Dingzhi (politician)) —Anne Delong (talk) 17:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi again, Anne! I just added some basic info to Jiang Dingzhi, and turned the impossibly long paragraph of the Afc into a list. I also trimmed all the redundant "Jiangsu province, PRC" info, worked on capitalization, and added links to most place names. Finally, I've transferred the four "other sources" to the main article where everybody can see them. But the draft still contains more detailed info than the main article, so it would be too bad to lose it. I'm a bit short on time, though. One way of keeping the information without doing too much grunt work would be to transfer the entire list to Talk:Jiang Dingzhi and let interested editors integrate the relevant info as they see fit. Another way would be to move the list directly into the "Career" section of the article. Do let us know what you think is best! Cheers! Madalibi (talk) 00:40, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Madalibi. I have made the old draft in to a redirect, Jiang Dingzhi (Communist Party). The text is in its history, and I added a note about how to find it on the talk page of Jiang Dingzhi. Interested editors can move any text they feel is of benefit to the article. I haven't moved the list because I don't know anything about China or about what's appropriate in political articles. I'll leave that to someone more familiar with the topic. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lan Yu[edit]

Dear China experts: Here's another old Afc submission that will soon be gone. It will need someone who can read the references to tell whether this is a notable topic. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:11, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

About half of the reference links still work and appear to be acceptable secondary sources. It seems that most of the content of the article is well-supported. Lan Yu appears to me to be at least as notable as the other fashion designers in the China category of this list whose entries haven't been challenged for notability. That said, I'm still a relatively unexperienced, and the criteria for notability are both subjective and debatable by reasonable people.
If anyone is more familiar with fashion or biography notability guidelines, I'd value a second opinion, but to me it seems like this article just needs in-line citations and maybe an extra source or two to get it up to snuff. TI. Gracchus (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, a quick google search reveals many English-language sources, including one that places Lan Yu on Forbes' China "Top 30 Under 30" list. TI. Gracchus (talk) 18:57, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, it seems that this could be a viable article, so I've postponed its deletion for six months in case someone wants to work on it. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
How about moving it into DRAFT space? Draft:Lan Yu -- (talk) 05:35, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I've translated the titles of the working references into English - one was a deadlink and I have removed the Baidu reference per WP:RS. As it stands, if the article moves to the main space it will require an {{inline}} template. ► Philg88 ◄ talk 07:43, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you; I was able to place some citations just from the titles you provided. I also removed some promotional adjectives. Moving to draft won't make a lot of difference that I can see, but neither will it cause any problems if anyone wants to do that. —Anne Delong (talk) 10:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
It seems that recently she has become known outside China and I was able to find some English sources to add. I have moved the draft to mainspace now. I would appreciate it if someone could check it over for errors and to see if I have removed enough promotional language. Thanks again for taking and interest in this. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I think it looks OK now but it really should have an {{orphan}} tag as the disambiguation link does not count. I cannot think of anything that might link to it - if we knew exactly where she came from we could add her as a notable individual there but I've had no luck finding a reliable (Chinese) source with that info. ► Philg88 ◄ talk 13:54, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I gave the page a quick copy edit. I also managed to find two articles to link to it from so it's not an orphan any more. Rincewind42 (talk) 05:49, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, thanks everyone; a fine example of collaboration! —Anne Delong (talk) 13:01, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move for Ming Dynasty Tombs[edit]

There is a move request at Ming Dynasty Tombs#Requested move. Ming Dynasty TombsMing Tombs or Ming tombs. Rincewind42 (talk) 12:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Chukong Technologies - notable?[edit]

Is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chukong Technologies about a notable company? I can see some "notability" with respect to its involvement with Cocos2d but if that's all there is, I'm not sure a stand-alone article is warranted. Please feel free to add {{afc comment}} templates to this page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:31, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

@Davidwr I've added the company's Chinese name and posted a review comment. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ talk 11:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Accepted and tagged for refimprove. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:33, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Missing women in China[edit]

Dear China experts: Here's a new Afc submission that may be of interest to this project. It seems likely that this topic is already covered somewhere. —Anne Delong (talk) 10:34, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong Hi Anne, I've made a comment at the submission and you are correct about topic coverage - there is definitely some worthwhile content in there but it will need significant editing to knock it into shape, wherever it ends up. Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ talk 16:30, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chaojing[edit]

Dear China experts: This article about a Chinese village will be coming up for review shortly at Afc, but it is bound to be declined unless someone improves it, since it has no reliable sources. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I've fixed it up and added a new reference. It's good to go to main space now as a stub. ► Philg88 ◄ talk 16:50, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Done. and thanks. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 01/04[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Deng Zhongxia. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 23:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

It's a decent article. I've replaced the unreliable source and moved it to article space. -02:33, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 02/04[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Beijing Students' Autonomous Federation. Thanks for the help! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:28, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to Participate in a User Study - Final Reminder[edit]

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Old PD-CHINA images deleted from Commons to be restored[edit]

This might be difficult since many of these would have been deleted a long time ago, but does anyone here remember any images that were {{PD-China}} however were deleted from Commons because of commons:Commons:URAA?

Following discussion amongst the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees, the Foundation has changed its position and is now allowing images which do not meet URAA on Commons (refer to commons:Commons:Massive restoration of deleted images by the URAA), meaning that COM:URAA can no longer be used as the sole reason for file deletion. URAA-affected files are being restored, but only upon individual discussions at commons:COM:UDR, and there is no intention to mass undelete images via automated processes due to legal complexities.

Many old photographic images published more than 50 years ago are in the public domain within China and Taiwan per {{PD-China}}, and many of these images were deleted. These images include World War II/Second Sino-Japanese War, Korean War, Chinese Civil War, and Cultural Revolution photographs which were created and published within China. Now that these images can be restored, we should begin the process of recovering these files; the main problem is, even I can't remember the names of files I've uploaded back in 2009/2010/2011. That said, if any of you do remember such images previously existing on Commons, they should be undeleted. --benlisquareTCE 11:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

See also meta:Legal and Community Advocacy/Wikimedia Server Location and Free Knowledge. --benlisquareTCE 11:10, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Tally of deleted URAA images[edit]

Source verification needed in Yelü Chucai[edit]

In this edit, the biographical data were changed to suspiciously precise (for a medieval person) dates, giving a Chinese-language offline citation. Can somebody have a look at this one? Does the source appear scholarly and reliable, or might it be a popular or even suspect source? (I'm frankly generally a bit wary of Chinese sources considering how in China, mythical emperors are still presented as historical personalities in schoolbooks and other mainstream sources as part of Sinocentric propaganda, etc.) So I'm bothered by having a citation whose reliability and content is impossible to verify even for an advanced editor. (Which is why a thoughtful editor should ideally provide both a translation of the title and a quotation from the source, including a translation, especially for a language few readers can be expected to be familiar with.) --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

@Florian Blaschke: This is a reference to a book called "中书令耶律公神道碑". It's really hard to translate the title because the meanings of the Chinese characters have changed over the last 900 odd years, but a close approximation would be "Imperial Library Honourable Memorials".
This was written by someone called Song Zizhen (宋子貞), who has no Chinese Wikipedia entry but has an article at Baidu. He also appears in the list of Yuan Dynasty Historical figures in Chinese Wikipedia (zh:元史人物列表). So we can conclude he was a real person.
In turn, this is an extract from Scroll 57 of the "Yuan Dynasty Cultural Reference" (元文类), a compilation penned by Su Tianjue (zh:苏天爵), who was a Yuan Dynasty government minister. Again, he is a figure of historical record.
Is it possible that the date could be that accurate? Yes, the Chinese have always been big on recording dates and they had a very precise calendar while people in the West still ran around wearing fur in its natural state.
Hope this helps, ► Philg88 ◄ talk 08:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it helps very much! Thanks a lot! --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


The usage of Taku (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views) is under discussion, see talk: Taku people -- (talk) 09:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

International Material Gifts From Outside Mainland China During the 1989 Tiananmen Square Protests[edit]

Input from Wikiproject members at International Material Gifts From Outside Mainland China During the 1989 Tiananmen Square Protests would be appreciated;, see topic "Better article name needed". TJRC (talk) 18:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

New Template[edit]

For anyone who might find it useful, I've created a new template called {{Chinese script needed-inline}}, which is the inline version of {{Needhanzi}} and does this[Chinese script needed] with a link to the Chinese style guide It's more precise and will let editors know exactly where the Hanzi are needed rather than giving a vague indication at the top of an article. Primarily the template is designed for use with names, and phrases that cannot be disambiguated by their pinyin alone and should help in creating currently redlinked potential articles. There is also a shortcut version called {{csn-inline}}. The new templates populate Category:Articles needing Chinese script or text while the inline version creates a subcategory by month. All feedback is most welcome. ► Philg88 ◄ talk 07:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)