Talk:Tokugawa shogunate

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What is the point of the self link to Tokugawa Shogunate in the see also list? Emperorbma 02:24 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Pictures/photos

Can anyone locate and add a few pictures/photos of the Tokugawa family crest or any other visual symbol of the Tokugawa Shogunate?

Visit Mon (crest) where I posted a photo of the crest on a lantern. Also try Nikko, Tochigi (and the link to Commons at the bottom of the article), Nikko Toshogu, Toshogu, Edo Castle, Kokyo, Nagoya Castle, and other articles on people aned places connected with the Tokugawa. Fg2 09:52, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, good links, but what about copyright issues?

When you click on a photo, you should get the image page. If the image is on Commons, you might have to click on the link that says "Please see its page on Commons" or something like that. Each image page should have copyright info. Mine are public domain; other people use a variety of licenses. Fg2 20:34, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Samurai government vs military government

The word "bakufu" (幕府) does not contain kanji such as "samurai" (侍) or "bushi" (武士), and therefore I think it is better to describe it with a more general term like "military", implying a warrior government, a military government more generally. That the Japanese warrior class consisted of the samurai, and that the only three shogunates in history were run by the samurai seems more or less a coincidence to me, and not essential to the definition. The character maku (幕), here pronounced baku, means a curtain or a tent, and refers to the concept of rulership from a military general's command tent. Though, historically speaking, that commander was without exception a samurai, I don't feel as though this is essential to the definition - the word "samurai" implies all sorts of aesthetics, codes of honor and discipline, and social ranking which the simply imagery of a military command tent does not, I feel.

I thought it pertinent to describe my reasoning for this change, though it is somewhat minor, here, as some may disagree with it. If people would like to discuss the issue and reach some sort of consensus decision, I would be more than happy to go along with whatever that decision is. My post here is not intended to force my opinion, but rather to stir up discussion, with the goal of improving the article, in however minor a way - the devil is in the details, after all. Thanks. LordAmeth (talk) 07:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

The Rise of the Tokugawa Shogunate

Does anyone know what decisive battles besides the Battle of Sekigahara in 1600 dictated the Tokugawa's rise to power? this information would add alot to the page. thanks- HTM

In 1615, All members and supporters of the Toyotomi family were completely eliminated.

Hane, Mikiso. "The establishment of the tokugawa shogunate in Japan." The 1600's. Bonnie Szumski. 1. San Diego: Greenhaven Press, 2001. 131 - 132.