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Ancestors are racist opportunists Shortly after his 1904 arrival in Norfolk, Virginia, the Lithuanian-born Menachem Mendel Frieden opened a grocery store outside the city which served the black clientele in that area. New to America and hardly speaking any English, Frieden recalled that he was terrified of blacks “whenever I saw them, since one has to become accustomed to these black-skinned people. I had never before seen people of this color, their behavior brutish and lacking in manners.” Frieden mentioned that among his family members and friends, “The assumption was that every black was a thief and a murderer,” and described how he “shook all over with fear”: “Their faces were the faces of savages, their eyes protruding and frightening,” and “these blacks will take advantage of you when they see that you’re afraid. They steal merchandise and tell you to shut up” (pp. 230-231). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.182.83.131 (talk) 06:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article issues[edit]

This article is written like a CV, not an encyclopedia entry. The laundry list of publications is inappropriate.

Stylistically, the article doesn't use the Wikipedia reference convention, which makes editing the article and seeing cited references difficult.

Please don't remove tags until issues are addressed or discussed on this talk page.

Bongo matic 16:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Frieden is an appropriate subject for a wikipedia entry: as a high-profile figure within the world of public health and policy his background and career are an important part of the public record. The New York City Department of Health is one of the largest public health bodies in the world and, under his direction, has taken a number of innovative policy stances such as smoke-free and menu-calorie labeling, that are the subject of a lot of interest, debate and research in the public health community and in those interested in New York City policy and politics. The community would be well served by having his background information on Wikipedia. He clearly meets the Wikipedia standards for notability .

stvhamill —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I don't see any tags relating to notability on the article page--what are you referring to? None of the article issues identified would give rise to the article's deletion. Rather, they suggest ways the article needs to be improved. Bongo matic 23:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you're saying, and agree. I'll look at some unmarked entries of similar public health figures, Maybe C Everett Koop, as guidance. For instance, publications should be deleted. Thanks stvhamill —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I think that recent content changes, deleting publications, for instance, and pruning the content to focus on links to substantive policy changes and outcomes, warrant removal of the Unencyclopedic and Likeresume tags. I think the article still has some progress to make in the Wikify and Cleanup areas. If there is disagreement about the Unencyclopedic and Likeresume tag removal, I would love some more specific suggestions for improvement. Much appreciated.--Stvhamill (talk) 16:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to meet the standards for wiki formatting and cleanup. It reads cleanly and is well organized with internal links. Happy to hear any feedback. --Stvhamill (talk)

Hi Stvhamill - I take it you've been largely responsable for the article. You (or whoever else) has done a lot of excellent, detailed research. You'll notice that the citation format used in the article is a bit wonky, so to speak. When you're referencing stuff, use <ref> and </ref> tags. Sadly my wikipedia skills aren't all that impressive so I'm unsure how to fix the references myself. But anyway, the work is well done. Thanks, The Fire Tones 11:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, this article could use a 'criticism' page so as not to seem overly biased (it takes a highly positive tone). I'll try and get on this. Thanks, The Fire Tones 11:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The portion of the article dealing with his

Alright I've fixed the problem to an extent. All you need to do, (I may try later but I'm busy) is change the <sup> tags to <ref> tags and insert the information in between the tags (as opposed to at the bottom of the article). Thanks, The Fire Tones 12:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did the first one as an example. Thanks, The Fire Tones 12:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on the CV aspect. Not NPOV. A neutrality tag is justified in my mind. -Wervo (talk) 03:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What I would like to have mentioned in the page, is possible conflicts of interest that may be present. Such as; does he have pharmaceutical stock? Is he on the advisory board of any drug company? Etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robiemurdoch (talk • contribs) 00:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Recommend deletion of the following: "By 2008, most Americans were protected by state or local smoke-free laws,[citation needed] and more than a dozen countries had adopted them." This is not just a matter of citations needed. The placement of this sentence implies that New York's smoke-free laws influenced a national wave, when the wave was already well-established, beginning in California a decade earlier.AECwriter 05:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aecwriter (talk • contribs) [reply]

I have attempted to correct an addition that was recently made regarding the Ebola outbreak. There are two major issues with this update: the first being that the citation does not lead to the information that is being cited (it leads to the New York Post home page), the second is that the information being cited is an opinion piece by blogger Michelle Malkin, not a factual article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldd8892 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, new comments go to the bottom of the page.

Second of all you did not "correct an addition" -- you deleted it wholesale claiming the source -- the oldest newspaper extant in the U.S. -- is "not reliable"

Third, I explained as politely as I could that removing sourced text without a valid reason is not acceptable and that you should seek consensus with other editors on the talk page. Quis separabit? 01:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless your citation leads to the New York Post home page, no specific article. ----

@Ldd8892: Fixed. Thanks for letting me know. Yours, Quis separabit? 02:21, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for updating your citation. However, it appears as though this is an opinion piece and I can't find the sources Michelle Malkin used. I'm having difficulty verifying the statistics and facts presented in Malkin's article. Since she is a secondary source, are there any other primary sources you can cite? (Ldd8892 (talk) 02:42, 18 October 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Nalkin fringe attack on CDC policies has nothing whatsoever to do with the Ebola response section[edit]

Feel free to move the content to the article on the Center for Disease COntrol but her HL MEncken wannabe hit pieces on CDC policy do not bekong in the section on Ebola response. I am appalled that you even think this is an issue worthy of discussion but here you have your talk page. Since it is derogatory and from a notoriously non-reliable source and is completely disconnected from the topic of the section I reverted you r delete.Please do not now war this is a BLP and I have given three reasons for the delete. You give no rationale Wikidgood (talk) 03:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above scrawl is blatantly partisan nonsense. It does belong as it was written in response to the Ebola incidents in the US in 2014. And if it fits at the CDC article, the how can it not fit on Frieden's page as he is the head of the CDC right now during the incidents being discussed? The rest of your arguments are entirely partisan and based solely on your opinion as far as I can tell, but if anyone else wants to chime in. Quis separabit? 03:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Characterization of an edit as "nonsense" is tantamount to a personal attack. Please review WP:AGF. Malkin's whining aboiut heklmet laws, tobacco, playground hazards is opinion which has zero relevance to the Ebola outbreak. None.

On my talk page you complain "if Malkin is not RS then no syndicated cokumbist is". TO that effect. Actually her blog is an prime example of why syndicated columnist blogs do not meet RS (medical) or even usually RS in general, But the deletion is all the more appropriate because it is wildly unrelated to Ebola. If you read your own source and find a quote relevant to the Ebola response try it out otherwise on [{WP:BLP]] it verges on an akost vandalistic post...mudsklinging. Wikidgood (talk) 03:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

mudsklinging (= Mudslinging) or muckraking?? Quis separabit? 03:33, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I would point out that the portion on personal life is incorrect: " In 2018 he faced misdemeanor charges of forcible touching, third-degree sexual abuse and second-degree harassment, which were dropped" In fact, he pleaded guilty to the forcible touching: https://abcnews.go.com/US/cdc-director-pleads-guilty-groping-family-friend-jail/story?id=63478002