Template talk:Semiconductor manufacturing processes

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Template contents, format, and purpose[edit]

This template is not intended as a location for content. It is a navigational aide that lets a eader got to the article that describes the listed process. The template is intended to be right-aligned and vertically oriented in articles that include it, so we want it to be narrow. Please do not add extra information to the entries that will make the template wider. Instead, add such information to the articles. If you wish to add an entry, create the article first, even if it is a stub. If you disagree with this approach, please discuss your concerns here. -Arch dude (talk) 23:59, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Dates[edit]

The dates in this template should match the main date given in the associate article. We need to do this because putting references in the template is unreasonable, but any assertion of fact needs to be references somewhere. If you feel that this in incorrect, please discuss it here. -Arch dude (talk) 15:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Hm.. 2022 for the 11nm does really not make sense to me and i work in this field, i also do not see this reflected in the sources. To make a start.
Where are these dates based on. When the first prototypes has been successfully produced or when mass production has started?
There are tons of WP:RS that speak about 2015 or 2016. Why should we base this "estimation" only on the one source that mention 2022 and ignore all the other sources? IQinn (talk) 15:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
You are correct: we should NOT base the estimate only on the sources that are currently in the 16 nm and 11 nm articles. Therefore, Please edit those two articles to include your sources, and edit the first paragraph (the "lede") of those two articles to give your new dates. After you have done that, then come back here and adjust this template. I feel that we need to do it this way because that will expose your research to the appropriate Wikipedia review process, such as it is, while simple changes to this template do not provide any easy mechanism to comment on your sources. Oh, and also: Thanks! We really do need people like you to help in the areas they know about. If you need help with formatting your references, or any other editing task, please leave a message on my talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 18:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
10 nm is definitely 2015 or 2016 latest. 118.160.101.72 (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Half-nodes[edit]

In [1] I tried to show the half-shrinks, but these were later removed, because "the template becomes too wide". Should we show them somehow differently, or the current half-node link at the bottom is sufficient?

In any case doubling the number of list lines doesn't seem a good solution, especially since the half-shrinks are closely associated with the respective node (e.g. 65nm/55nm, etc.), that's why I made it by slightly longer lines instead. Ianteraf (talk) 06:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Reversion fromConversion to "sidebar"[edit]

An editor made a good-faith attempt to convert this to a {{sidebar}}. the result was about twice as wide and affected the appearance of several of the pages using this template. I made several attempts to fix this by adding parameters from the sidebar and navbox documentation, but failed. I would be happy to work with that editor or others to convert to using sidebar if we can get past the width problem.

There are two additional problems, but those are easily fixed:

  • the change also moved the documentation below the template. That is the usual position for the documentation, but I have been working with this template for a long time, and in my experience we get a lot of bad edits here due to folks taht do not read the documentation. Please discuss.
  • Sidebar by default adds the template navbar (v.d.e) to simplify editing by readers of the article. We have had the navbar on this template twice in the past, and in both cases it led to lots of bad edits. fortunately, the sidebar template has a parameter to turn navbar off, so this is fixable if we can figure out how to remove the whitespace from sidebar. Again before re-adding the navbar, please discuss.

Thanks. -Arch dude (talk) 00:23, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I've had another go, this time preserving the size and hiding the navbar. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Chris. That looks great. I will not put the documentation in front of the template again unless we see some more bad edits. -Arch dude (talk) 19:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I added the navbar back minus the edit link (using |noedit=1. Feel free to revert if it still causes problems. 50.53.15.51 (talk) 19:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)