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20 May 2015

VisualEditor News 2015—#1[edit]

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Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on VisualEditor's appearance, the coming Citoid reference service, and support for languages with complex input requirements. Status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.

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Recent improvements[edit]

The new design for VisualEditor aligns with MediaWiki's Front-End Standards as led by the Design team. Several new versions of the OOjs UI library have also been released, and these also affect the appearance of VisualEditor and other MediaWiki software extensions. Most changes were minor, like changing the text size and the amount of white space in some windows. Buttons are consistently color-coded to indicate whether the action:

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  • is neutral, like opening a link in a new browser window:  gray.

The TemplateData editor has been completely re-written to use a different design (T67815) based on the same OOjs UI system as VisualEditor (T73746). This change fixed a couple of existing bugs (T73077 and T73078) and improved usability.

Search and replace in long documents is now faster. It does not highlight every occurrence if there are more than 100 on-screen at once (T78234).

Editors at the Hebrew and Russian Wikipedias requested the ability to use VisualEditor in the "Article Incubator" or drafts namespace (T86688, T87027). If your community would like VisualEditor enabled on another namespace on your wiki, then you can file a request in Phabricator. Please include a link to a community discussion about the requested change.

Looking ahead[edit]

The Editing team will soon add auto-fill features for citations. The Citoid service takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. After creating it, you will be able to change or add information to the citation, in the same way that you edit any other pre-existing citation in VisualEditor. Support for ISBNs, PMIDs, and other identifiers is planned. Later, editors will be able to contribute to the Citoid service's definitions for each website, to improve precision and reduce the need for manual corrections.

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Archaeological sites in Germany[edit]

Hi GJ. Thanks for your work on categories. I'm just trying to understand why you removed Category:Archaeological sites of Germany from e.g. Oldendorfer Totenstatt and Goldbusch. The comment says "redundant" but the remaining categories are not related to archaeological sites e.g. as children not are they synonymous. For example, a dolmen may or may not be an archaeological site. It depends if anyone's dug it up. Just askin'. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:55, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Bermicourt, "megalithic monuments" are a sub-category of "archaelogical sites". More precisely: they are a sub-cat of "prehistoric sites", which is a sub-cat of "archaelogical sites". Taking "archaeological sites" in a wider meaning for "all sites of archaeological interest", the categorization makes sense - currently all prehistoric sites are categorized within the category tree of archaeological sites. That's a bit of a simplification of course, but categorization puts articles under simplified labels - sometimes the labelling is not entirely accurate or doesn't fit all cases perfectly. GermanJoe (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Enthiran PR[edit]

Hi, I am Ssven2. I recently took this film article starring Rajinikanth and Aishwarya Rai to GA status and nominated it for FAC, but it was withdrwan due to WP:PUNC and MOS:LQ issues, most if which have been resolved by User:SandyGeorgia and User:RHM22. Do let me know if you are interested in leaving additional comments at the article's 2nd PR. Thanks. — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 12:49, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Ssven2:, I am keeping myself busy with some other issues (Wiki and non-Wiki) currently, but it seems like the PR already has a good amount of constructive feedback anyway (and in all honesty, I am really not that knowledgeable in Indian cinema). I hope, all goes well with your next nomination. GermanJoe (talk) 18:45, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Closing chorale[edit]

BWV 167: the statement about the style of setting the closing chorale, chorale fantasia vs. the normal simple four-part setting, is based on the scores of the pieces. Should they all be included in the article? And/or the observation rephrased? Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Gerda Arendt:, first of all great work on all of those music articles (I wouldn't dream of contributing so many detailed articles myself). To your question: if the statement is just a simple comparison of those settings, it is verifiable with that primary material and doesn't need sourcing. But the statement is indeed a bit unclear (at least for someone with only high school music background). Tweaking it to clarify the intended "message" may be the best approach. But it isn't necessary to add all details here (imo), as long as the context is clear. GermanJoe (talk) 09:06, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
From what you understood, how would you phrase it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Did a slight tweak, feel free to revert if I misread the intended conclusion (or used the wrong term in that context). Removed the source tag (as an uncontroversial observation). GermanJoe (talk) 10:23, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

France's recognized regional languages[edit]

Could you help me with this argument, this user, Blaue Max keeps reverting a edit I made a while ago about France having recognized regional languages. I responded on the user's talk page about reading the articles about the Regions and Territories that have recognized regional languages. And that France doesn't have one official language at every level. But than the user uses WP:WINARS saying wikipedia isn't a reliable source. Which I was not reffering to when I said to read about the articles on the French Regions and territories that have a recognized regional language(s). Seqqis (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello Seqqis, unfortunately I know little about this topic. But in general Wikipedia is not considered a WP:RS for "itself" in other articles. Wiki-articles can't be used as sources, "it is sourced in another Wiki-article" is no valid argument for inclusion. If you want to add information to a Wiki-article, you should also add a reliable non-Wiki source for it - a cross-reference or Wiki-link to another Wiki-article is not enough. Best discuss this issue directly with the disagreeing user, either on the article's or the user's talkpage. Hope that helps a bit, best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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Media check required[edit]

Hello GermanJoe. Can you do a media check on Master of Puppets, an FA candidate of mine? The review page is here. Thanks in advance.--Retrohead (talk) 12:14, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Joe, can you tell me whether you're available to commit the media check, or should I contact another editor?--Retrohead (talk) 19:02, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The FAC just started, but I can do have done a media check now in the next few days so you have that point covered :). GermanJoe (talk) 19:13, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

FAR pending for Germany article[edit]

HI Joe, the article Germany will probably undergo a FAR (long overdue) and I've told Sandy I'd look into it. Could use some assistance with this, though, if you're interested. auntieruth (talk) 20:54, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Auntieruth55: thanks for the note - if you need some uncontroversial edits (ref cleanup or similar), I'll be glad to help. But considering some of the anti-German bias in recent discussions (a comment had to be rev-deleted), I'd rather not get too involved into any disputes about the article and took it off my watchlist a few months ago. I hope, you understand the reasoning to keep myself a bit distanced from this article; I greatly appreciate your offer to look into it and help to keep it on a high-quality level. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 21:50, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
  • non controversial edits will be fine. I wasn't planning a major overhaul, just some clean up. I'll let you know. auntieruth (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


Care-O-bot deletion !vote[edit]

Hi GermanJoe, I wondering if, given the changes we've made to the Care-O-bot article over the past day, you feel that the article is salvageable? If so, you may want to update your deletion !vote. Shanata (talk) 17:51, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Shanata:, thanks for addressing the mentioned copy/paste issue. I'll try to fix some more issues (hopefully tomorrow). Some points, that could be looked into (if you are interested and have time):
  • "Hardware and Software" reads too much like a product presentation from the manufacturer (not only the content, but also the table layout of the section). A short prose section summarizing only the main features would be more encyclopedic.
  • As many additional sources as possible (found in AfD or elsewhere) should replace or support manufacturer references (SPS sources are OK for some common info, but the article shouldn't rely on them).
  • All remaining info (if kept) should be double-checked against the manufacturer's website to avoid close paraphrasing.
On a sidenote, even if the article is deleted, it could be undeleted in userspace for more improvements (so efforts are not wasted). I am a bit hesitant to vote "Keep" on an article, that has been improved, but still has several substantial flaws (promo tone and content, SPS sourcing, possibly remaining minor copy/paste issues). GermanJoe (talk) 19:14, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

reply on your instruction about IES IPS Academy[edit]

I am not trying to advertise this college but i am trying to give some information about this college there is nothing any sentence on that page which prove that i am advertiser of that college BDKSH (talk) 07:51, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

If you are really interested in adding neutral facts about this university, see WP:NPOV and WP:EL, use neutral language and provide reliable sources for your additions. That's really all that's needed for your additions in an encyclopedic article. Thank you. GermanJoe (talk) 21:49, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Image review question[edit]

Can you help me with an image review? Someone is asking questions that I don't know how to answer at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Shah_Rukh_Khan/archive2. See the 'Image review' section at the bottom of the review. I know that you have okayed images from Bollywood Hungama in the past, which is why I am asking. BollyJeff | talk 17:10, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Bollyjeff:, if a reviewer has doubts about some of those images, the best (and easiest) way would be to post a request for an OTRS-check for all Bollywood images in the article at Commons:Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard (make sure to add a list of file links for all affected images to make the job a bit easier for the OTRS-team). Having briefly scanned all images, they all look OK, but it's better to ask the OTRS-team after concerns have been raised in a review of such images.

Some additional background information (please do not copy this information to FAC, it doesn't really belong there):

  • The whole Bollywood image topic is a mess, as neither the terms of that permission nor exact criteria to check images have been clarified outside OTRS. If you want to judge the validity of such images by yourself, you can do the following:
  • Read up on all OTRS-messages about this topic (link)
  • Check for each single Bollywood-image:
  • Has the OTRS-tag in image history been added by an OTRS-member (good), long-time Commons contributor (OK-ish), or by an inexperienced uploader (bad sign)?
  • Does the photo show some kind of press event or similar PR-presentation? (a good sign - those images are usually OK to use)
  • Is the photo about a non-Indian event? (questionable usage: should probably not be used, unless the Bollywood ownership is 100% certain by other means)
  • Does the image show "screenshots, wallpapers, vacation pictures or promotional posters" as its main feature? (do not use such images).
  • Does an image search on the Internet show image usages from other professional websites or is it likely, that the image was taken by a non-Bollywood photographer? (obviously do not use such images).
  • Having checked all those points, one can evaluate the likely validity of those usages for themselves (errors may still happen, but at least the image was checked based on the available information).

I hope that helps a bit. The situation is very complicated and not clearly handled on Commons (some topic experts there may understand all details, but certainly not the average image user). GermanJoe (talk) 19:35, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Template:Reflist style[edit]

GermanJoe, I saw that, with this edit, you changed the style of the reference list. I wanted to know if you are doing this with other articles, so I looked at your contributions and saw this. Why are you changing the style? The style you are changing it to is "old school" style to me (meaning that's the style I used to use years ago, and is the style that seemed more prevalent years ago; like in 2007 and 2008). Flyer22 (talk) 22:45, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Flyer22:, 1) "reflist" is not correctly supported by VE (and probably won't be for a while, if ever) and has identical functions with "references" when columns are not needed. 2) a WMF-developer claimed that "reflist" is (slightly) slower than "references" and might become obsolete (in a few years - maybe). Having said that, I usually only change the tag, when I am editing near the ref-section anyway (not going to change 4,000,000 articles :) ) and the column function is not used. If you are interested, information can be found in VE-feedback and Phabricator about that topic (I'd have to dig up the links). If you disagree I'll stop the habit; the improvement is only miniscule anyway. GermanJoe (talk) 23:04, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining. Flyer22 (talk) 23:06, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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