User talk:Hal Wing

I have added the official St. Mary's Logo to the page.

Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

Hello, Hal Wing, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Katr67 (talk) 22:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BRD cycle heads up on St. Mary's School[edit]

Please read my new section at Talk:St. Mary's School (Medford, Oregon)#TMI and editing out non-notable data. Thanks! tedder (talk) 01:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your attention to detail, but I think you are overly aggressive at times. Several others have commented that reorganizing some of the data along OSAA guidelines would have been more appropriate than simply expunging it. There was also a comment made about how there should be a photo accompanying the article. There was a photo posted multiple times, but it was removed each time. This has not been very enjoyable to edit.

You and others have also complained about the lack of diversity of sources. I explained the reason for that, but apparently some people do not find the explanation adequate for their tastes. It is really a shame, given the historic nature of the school (dating to 1865, and the oldest operating school in Southern Oregon and Northern California). However, I haven't attempted to post any of this, because it would only draw more of the same "single source" complaints that have already plagued the article.

Perhaps, Tedder, given yours and others' dissatisfaction with the direction of the description of St. Mary's School, you or someone should just remove the entire reference until someone whose journalistic standards are up to your requirements can write an article from scratch. Yes, I'm a bit testy, but some of the criticism has grown very testy and most of it has grown tiresome.Hal Wing (talk) 05:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additional thoughts about the above.[edit]

After re-reading what I wrote above, it reminded me of one of what I refer to as "an eternal tension" in talking to students. In class, the tension usually comes up as the conflict between the good that is accomplished by having problems solved by those with the greatest hands-on knowledge, versus the problems created by those same knowledgeable people as their proximity to the problem compromises their objectivity. I was tempted to edit out some of what I said above, out of embarrassment, but decided it was better to leave it in as an example of the dilemma I just described. That said, here is my promise regarding future editing of articles on St. Mary's School:

I will continue to correct out-and-out errors and update existing data if what is listed in the article changes.

Otherwise, it's "hands-off". There of plenty of people who have better command of the Wikipedia standards than I, and it is arrogant for me to interfere with their application of those standards.

I believe that Wikipedia and its associated projects are absolute gems. I previously went so far as to request that any anonymous edits originating from the school be permanently blocked, in hopes that I could take a small step to protect this valuable asset from vandalism. I promise, therefore, to do my part, not intervening unless I am certain that it is in the best interests of the users. Obviously, that means I need to work hard at improving my familiarity with the standards and culture of Wikipedia!--Hal Wing (talk) 06:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hal: "an eternal tension" is a great way to describe it. Please don't feel you have to leave it, we've all made heated comments. I'm trying to improve the school articles from the outside- I never attended an Oregon high school- and it's easy to get wrapped up in wikipedia's 5 pillars and forgetting the relevant experience someone may be bringing.

You've stated your conflict of interest with St. Mary's. I hope you will continue to work on Wikipedia articles, join us at WikiProject Oregon, and even contribute to St. Mary's as appropriate. Certainly if you know of reliable sources that can help flesh out the St. Mary's article, please post them.

Finally, this is a good time to note the important essays at WP:BEANS and WP:BELLY. It's all good. tedder (talk) 06:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see you around, Hal :-) tedder (talk) 17:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback[edit]

Hello, Hal Wing. You have new messages at Tarlneustaedter's talk page.
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Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Between and among[edit]

Hi, Hal Wing. I noticed this. I used to believe this myth about the meanings of these words. Here is an article that explains why it is a myth. Best regards. --John (talk) 12:46, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]