User talk:Peter I. Vardy/Archive2

Halton Castle GA

hello Peter. Many thanks for the message, and congratulations for getting the GA status for Halton Castle. It was well-deserved. I've been busy walking around in my part of Cheshire and locating and photographing milestones and mileposts - I have to do more exercise, and this seemed a good way of getting out walking more, as well as cataloguing a few things that might well go in some articles about Cheshire. I've also had the chance of playing round with a new toy: a handheld GPS system to get accurate fixes on their locations. I may start to add information about them to various articles now.  DDStretch  (talk) 12:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Widnes GA

And now you've succeeded in getting Widnes to GA status! many congratulations! Things are going well for you, I think. I'll have to pull my socks up a bit myself! Once more, congratulations!  DDStretch  (talk) 17:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Vale Royal Abbey

Hi, Peter. I've added a bibliography and references to the article on Vale Royal Abbey and hence removed the unreferenced tag. Thanks for the reminder, it was a section I was meaning to do when I did some work on the article, but forgot. The article would be really improved by a picture of the abbey, I was wondering, as you clearly know the area well, if you'd be able to source/take one? Best wishes, Soph 09:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Peter Vardy

I have arrived here after various Google searches. I was surprised to see that there a suggestion that Peter Vardy (businessman) (see the page) should be merged ino the other Peter Vardy, who appears to be a different chap. I thought I should warn you lest you yourself be merged. I do find that Sir Peter Vardy has a son Peter, but he sounds like a 4th PV. You might be able to provide or dig up some definite proof that merging would be folly. Occuli 20:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Runcorn

Just to let you know, User:Runcorn was an administrator that went crazy, deleted the main page and blocked Jimbo and loads of admins - he got desysopped right away after it, that's why I think you got the chuckles! Ryan Postlethwaite 11:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no he wasn't - he was an administrator that had loads of sock puppets that he used to swing votes round in his favour, he got desysopped and banned as soon as it was found out. Ryan Postlethwaite 11:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Fascinating: I learn something new about Wikipedia every day. Peter I. Vardy 11:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Heh...that was the reason why I chuckled, Peter. :-P In the US, I've never heard of Runcorn (the place). Nishkid64 (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Yea, his six puppets !voting against me in my RfA#1 (for which Nishkid64 was a nominator) left us all ... uh ... laughing? I'm sure he had his reasons (I really wish I knew what they were). I think it would be great if Runcorn made FA status. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 22:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Edmund Knowles Muspratt

Hi Peter I. Vardy. You are off to such a great start on the article Edmund Knowles Muspratt that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. The Main Page gets about 4,000,000 hits per day and appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at Did you know suggestions for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 23:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I have had 8 successful nominations to DYK; in fact every nomination I made succeeded. This made me suspect that the threshold for success might be rather low (unlike GA and FA). It's good for the morale to be on the main page but I wonder how many visitors to the site actually bother to scroll down and read the DYK section rather than going for what they really want. As regards the Edmund Knowles Muspratt article I cannot find anything worthy of a DYK - but if you (or anyone else) can spot something suitable please feel free to submit it. Peter I. Vardy 12:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:CITIES vs UK Geog

Hello Peter,

Just a line to say thanks for the interest in the guidelines; really no need to apologise - I think it's great we've had interest in these guidelines and can strengthen the system somehow.

I've left a reply at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements in which I outline what I believe to be three options. I think there is an opportunity here to properly codify a structure/template and approach which can be successfully used accross the UK for a long long time. Let me know your thoughts when convienient. Jza84 13:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, Peter. I was being semi-serious about having a UK wikipedia, as I think it is getting a bit tiresome dealing with the blinkered and small-world nature of some of the decisions that are made by force of numbers of USA editors who know little about local conditions in the UK, and try to impose some foolish consistency at the expense of distorting sometimes the situation in the UK as described in the articles they say should change to conform with USA-centric guidelines. (Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote, I understand, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.", which doesn't imply one should favour no consistency at all.) Of course, there are some extremely good and sensible USA editors, and I have also benefitted from their input, but I do wonder if the extent to which they are drowned out means it is becoming safer to "cut and run".  DDStretch  (talk) 13:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello again! Thanks for the contact, and thanks for the support for the article guidelines - though really you have yourself to thank as it was ultimately your doing!!! The guidelines are now live, and are avaliable at Wikipedia:WikiProject_UK_geography/How_to_write_about_settlements - I think they are a real asset to UK geography.

If bringing articles inline with the guidelines, you can just cite WP:UKCITIES in the edit summary and the link will be direct.

With regards to putting the image into the infobox for Widnes, one is required to input two extra fields into the infobox:

|static_image =

|static_image_caption =

I performed this on Runcorn with this edit (I've linked it so you can see how the change was made). I'll do this also for Widnes.

If you're struggling finding any info, particularly about maps and infoboxes (I helped set these up), always feel free to ask me, and I'll see if I can help. Also, specific infomation about the UK place infobox is found at Template:Infobox UK place - the talk page is often a hub of activity, and new ideas are almost always taken on board and implimented. Jza84 21:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I've just rolled this out for Widnes as promised! Hopefully that helps a little (I personally love that function - and did it for Oldham too when I learned of it!).

Just thought I'd also let you know that I applied WP:UKCITIES to Shaw and Crompton which is my neck of the woods. It seems to work well and hopefully more will follow. Jza84 21:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Runcorn 2

I've had a read through the article with the latest changes, and I have to say that I'm really impressed. You've done a great job of addressing pretty much all of the issues I raised, and I wish I'd had a chance to drop by before the first FAC failed. As far as the one remaining issue of the prose, I found the wording in some of the sections ("history" and "governance" stood out for me here) as being a bit strange. I'm really not the person to be giving specific feedback (I'm really prone to these sort of problems in my own prose), but I wonder if it might be an idea to get someone to go over it and give it a second look. Nevertheless, you've done a great job with the article, and I'd most likely support it if it went up again even now. Rebecca 08:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for Editing Help

Msheff here. I read your request and looked at your article. I would be happy to help. I'll be going out of town for a few days starting Thursday of this week, but I'll do what I can starting today. I'm new to the wikiworld, but I'm an old hand at editing. Please take anything I might do with a grain of salt. I'm not at all offended by disagreement with my edits. I'll just do what I think is necessary and leave it at that. I don't know what your schedule is for the article, but I will work as I can. Msheff 18:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Churches and {{DEFAULTSORT}}

I notice you have added a default sort key to many UK church articles. This seems to be to improve the ordering in Category:Grade I listed churches. The problem is that {{DEFAULTSORT}} also affects the other categories that each article is in, such as Category:Churches in Nottingham, where it makes no sense to file St Mary's Church, Nottingham under N. For this sort of task, a manual sort key on the national category would be more appropriate than setting a default sort key with the place name first, I would think. --Stemonitis 07:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I was of course trying to make sense of the national sorting which did not make sense. I'm not sure how to limit the sorting to just one category; can you advise please. Peter I. Vardy 08:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Instead of adding a default sort key, you add the sort key to the individual categories like this: [[Category:Grade I listed churches|Nottingham, St Mary's Church]]. This will override any default sort key, but the defaultsort should be removed anyway, because it makes sense for the articles to sort as "St Xxx's Church, Somewhere" in most categories, and it's easier to allow the sorting to default to the page title. --Stemonitis 08:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St Peter's Church, Plemstall, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomangani^talk 12:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Msheff here

I finished editing your Runcorn article. I offered some good, but mostly minor, edits, that will make for a better article. I got a fine taste of English life. All the best with the article. Msheff 20:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Marcus Sheffield

Peter, please don't feel that any changes I made to your article are sacrosanct. I merely offered my editing opinions. You won't hurt my feelings at all if you revert or find a better way! Marcus Sheffield 23:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Holidays

Hello there, Peter. I hope things are going well. I'm off on holiday for a while shortly, and will be back in just under two weeks. Just letting you know, in case by any weird chance anyone feels they are missing my contributions, in which case, you could let them know! Have fun, and keep an eye on things concerning Cheshire (we seem to be beginning a spate of vandalism now that the school holidays are here.) "See" you when I get back.  DDStretch  (talk) 23:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

St Boniface's Church, Bunbury

Hi Peter I. Vardy. You are off to such a great start on the article St Boniface's Church, Bunbury that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. The Main Page gets about 4,000,000 hits per day and appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Also, don't forget to keep checking back at Did you know suggestions for comments regarding your nomination. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 13:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

St Mary's Church, Nantwich looks good for DYK, too. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 14:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Marton church DYK

Hi Peter -- the current article is somewhat under the guideline minimum words and so is unlikely to run -- can you expand it? I've added an image from Geograph. Espresso Addict 15:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for the very good image. I've expanded the article and hope this is sufficient to qualify for DYK (and I've included the image). Peter I. Vardy 16:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Excellent, thanks! I wonder if it's worth temporarily uploading a cropped image for the main page, as 100x100 is really very small? Espresso Addict 17:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I don't know how to do that. Can you help? Thanks for your support. Peter I. Vardy 18:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
      • I've cropped and brightened a touch & uploaded to Image:Marton Church crop.jpg -- use whichever you prefer in the article, but I think the cropped version works better at 100x100. Cheers, Espresso Addict 18:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
        • That's great. Many thanks. Peter I. Vardy 18:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St James' and St Paul's Church, Marton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomangani^talk 22:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, I had seen it. The standard at DYK seems to be going up at the moment, it's hard to get anything under 2500-3000 characters in. I had a poke around at the medieval church paintings website and it looks like a useful source (the author claims to lecture for the OU) and I've found Thornber a reliable resource on my local church. Espresso Addict 12:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

St Michael's Church, Baddiley

Ah, you beat me to this one! (I was meaning to start it, but have had visitors this week and have only been able to get to my computer occasionally.) I live not far away so might well be able to provide photos if there's anything on the interior that's of interest. Espresso Addict 17:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The church website says the coat of arms is currently being restored, which might be a pain for photos at the moment. Espresso Addict 17:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Holbrook Gaskell

Hi Mr. Vardy, Thanks for adding more material for Holbrook Gaskell and for setting up stubs for his son and grandson. I've added some more material for Holbrook_Gaskell_II and will do so for Holbrook_Gaskell_III when I've some time. I've just got hold of some more materual about Holbrook Gaskell so will add that when I've had a chance to read it. HGI was actually named after his uncle (1771-1842) who was the real HGI! Cheers, Gavin Thomas.

Runcorn sketch map

I've added a rough sketch map; I hope it's useful. I couldn't locate Weston Canal, Halton Lodge & Stockham, so they are currently missing. I excluded the railways as they looked rather confusing when included. I can easily change the text and, rather less easily, the underlying map if there are problems or if there's other text &c that you would like adding. Espresso Addict 04:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions for new articles & images at the Cheshire portal

I've set up a sub-page for suggestions of new content at the Cheshire portal. I took the liberty of copying your suggestions of 11 April over there from the portal talk page, I hope that's ok? It would be nice to update the portal page, preferably before the end of August, if you'd care to come over to the page and comment/cast your vote. Cheers, Espresso Addict 09:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I've suggested Jodrell Bank Observatory, Michael Owen & at the portal talk. Your thoughts would be appreciated! Espresso Addict 10:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: On Wikistress

Thanks for the encouragement, Peter! I assume you're talking about the discussion over Runcorn? Some of the reviewers at FAC do seem to me to be more motivated by keeping articles out than by helping to get articles featured, which seems an enormous shame. The 'brilliant prose' requirement is so subjective, as the conflicting advice you've been offered makes clear. I've found participating in DYK a great spur to creating better articles, and the forum generally stays clear of acrimony, even if those involved don't always agree. Cheers, Espresso Addict 11:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Grand Crimean Central Railway's GA

It's a Pass! A well written article, that deserve it. Well done! --Hirohisat ^Kiwi 04:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Runcorn FAC

Never say never :-) You've got some good tips of things you can work on; I've found it helpful to try to locate other editors in the topic area who might help you address those issues before the next FAC. Have you contacted Epbr123 (talk · contribs)? The Synge article, yes, I know, that's discouraging. It's an older FA, passed before citations were required. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Titles of church articles

So glad you raised this issue with Vox Humana 8' - see my comments in March at User talk:Vox Humana 8'. While Vox does some good work, he seems to have a misguided bee in his bonnet on this, despites queries from several users. I do hope he responds to you. I am not really sure what to do otherwise, as I don't really want edit wars over these titles... Carbonix 22:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I am maybe misinformed: all I know is that an admin once told me that the format I use is correct. I am happy to be informed otherwise, given that, from what I've seen, the "church of..." format seems to mess up categorising...--Vox Humana 8' 20:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that 'an admin once told me' does not reflect proper consensus: however, as I have not seen such a consensus on this titling issue, I have had to work by what I know. Having seen how the Church of... format messes up titling, I would use it only where the dedication of the church makes the St. Saint's Church, Place impractical (e. g. your example St. Mary on the Hill, Chester - Church of... would work, whereas "St. Mary on the Hill's Church, Chester" sounds rather clunky). Additionally, if the church is dedicated to St. Mary Magdalene, the Church of... format should, I think, be used, but I think that where the dedication is to St. Mary the Virgin, "St. Mary's Church, Place" would suffice. However, many Catholic churches pose a problem: "Holy Paraclete Church, Place"or "Our Lady of Lourdes' Church, Place" sound rather clunky: again, I would say that the Church of... format should be used on such non-standard dedications. What say you? - Vox Humana 8' 10:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, try to avoid Article Possession Syndrome - in effect, when you press that "Save Page" button, you give your contributions to the whole Wikipedia community. You don't own any articles and neither do I ;-) --Vox Humana 8' 10:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Copy of message sent to User:Vox Humana 8':

Vox and Peter: Thank you both for all this. Yes, I too am much more comfortable with a general style of ‘St Saint’s Church, Town’ for the article title, and I will embrace that approach (subject only, as you say, to us being alert to those more unusual dedications where local use has determined that the ‘Church of St …’ style is the more elegant title, e.g. Church of Our Lady Immaculate). Can I also make a plea for continuing active support for the relevant disambiguation pages; these pages are generally already entitled ‘St Saint’s Church’, as that is the prevalent style of the articles, but they should still include these different variants, as the whole point of disambiguation pages is to help people find what they want. Examples are at St. Nicholas' Church and St. Andrew's Church. Carbonix 22:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Titles of churches

Hi Peter, thanks for your note. I've responded in detail on the Cheshire project page, and put a note on the talk page of the Marton Church. I'll try to remember to move the Marton Church back to the original name after a decent interval if no-one objects.

A project-wide consensus would be useful, as consistency seems the most important thing here -- do you feel up to raising the general question at the talk page of the naming conventions article? Espresso Addict 15:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hope you have a good holiday -- I'm sure this can wait until your return! St vs St. is potentially a trickier question as several guides to UK English usage favour no point where the abbreviation ends in the final letter of the unabbreviated word, while as far as I'm aware, US usage would always use a point for any abbreviation. Consistency on UK churches should be attainable, however, and redirects are a cheap fix. Espresso Addict 16:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Your RFA was successful

Thanks, Peter! I guessed that you were on holiday -- hope you had a relaxed & enjoyable time! I'll do my best to wield the mop & bucket wisely, and to never forget that it's an encyclopedia we're all editing. Cheers, Espresso Addict 20:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Cheshire Portal biography (Sir John Brunner, 1st Baronet)

I've left a few notes on the talk page of Sir John Brunner, 1st Baronet in case anyone else is watching the page. The Good articles review process seems to me to be rather too much potluck whether the reviewer knows enough about the subject to offer helpful advice, but it would certainly be worth trying the article there in the hope of finding a helpful and knowledgeable reviewer. A light copy edit might also be useful, if you can find a more sympathetic editor than on Runcorn!

As to the Cheshire Portal, it's certainly in a sufficiently good state now to highlight there; I will suggest it formally in a minute. By the way, what do you think of my suggested new page for lining up a queue of articles for the portal slots? I've been feeling a little bad about suggesting the articles for both September & October. Cheers, Espresso Addict 09:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry over much about the image copyright issue, it's no more problematic than 95% of similar images, and at worst a fair-use rationale could be supplied. Espresso Addict 10:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

A query of my own -- do you think there's any point in trying Churche's Mansion at Good Article review? I've been working to improve it recently, but it still seems to me to have significant flaws that I can't readily fix. Espresso Addict 14:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement -- I will try and pluck up my courage for my first-ever attempt at the GA process -- and also for pointing out the broken link. The sale notices (online & physical) are sad -- the place used to be the best restaurant within 50 miles of here, and ever since that closed the place has been on the market more often than not. I keep hoping that the National Trust or similar will buy it and open it to the public, as everyone seems agreed it's a very significant building, but they never seem to show any interest. Espresso Addict 16:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Courage has been thoroughly plucked up -- picking up off floor might be needed in a few weeks! I don't quite know why I've never tried before. To a certain extent I still feel that 20 informative-but-brief articles are better than 1 GA, and a lot of my early article work was on immense topics that would need a 20 person collaboration to get the article anywhere near comprehensive. As to the novel, it progresses in fits and starts, and I tend to edit WP when it's going badly... Cheers, Espresso Addict 17:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I note you've gone for it too! Let's hope in a few weeks (or a month or so, looking at the backlog) we have two more GAs for the Cheshire project! Espresso Addict 09:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! A speedy victory! Espresso Addict 09:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Treago Castle

A while ago I now notice that you add a reference to Treago Castle, one of the Castle Class locomotives. I had to find that independently, and have added—I throught it was relevant, certainly! Be daring! —Sladen 06:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Sir John Brunner, 1st Baronet

I'm pleased that you didn't find the GA review process for this article to be too traumatic, and thanks for taking the time to say so. I'm very much against the adversarial style of reviewing that I've seen too much of, as I think that you have as well.

Have you considered taking on a GA review or two yourself? You've had enough experience of what it feels like as the nominator to have an idea how a reviewer can best make the process as painless as possible. --Malleus Fatuarum 21:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Churche's Mansion GA

Thanks, Peter! I think we were both lucky to attract such a helpful and knowledgeable reviewer. As to new ones, I don't have anything up my sleeve that's anywhere near ready at the moment. I have to admit I'm finding it difficult, so far, to incorporate even a smidge of admin work into my daily wiki efforts without neglecting the most important thing -- creating and improving articles. Oh for longer days & less need for sleep... Cheers, Espresso Addict 19:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Sir Peter Leycester, 1st Baronet at DYK

I've suggested a new shorter and punchier hook -- if you could look it over that would be great. Cheers, Espresso Addict 14:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added it, though I've had to lengthen it again slightly to include the 'pictured'. We shall see if it stays up there -- I don't think much of the quality of the current batch of suggestions but there are huge numbers of them, so someone might well think Leycester's too esoteric to feature. Espresso Addict 15:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 12 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sir Peter Leycester, 1st Baronet, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 19:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

On 19 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St Lawrence's Church, Stoak, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai 09:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, don't mention it, Dr. Vardy. I'm glad you approve of the hook. Thank you for the nice little article. --PFHLai 12:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Heh, Cheshire churches should feature on the main page every day ;) Espresso Addict 20:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Randle Holme

Hi there -- I think this would probably make it to DYK, though you might find some people feel the family wasn't sufficiently notable. I think the second hook is probably the most interesting, but it's too long, and I think you need to give an idea of the date somehow (if you have the precise date that would obviously be useful) -- how about something like:

...that in around 1670 the head of the English College of Arms travelled from London to Cheshire several times to destroy memorial boards painted by Randle Holme III without its permission?

Cheers, Espresso Addict 02:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK October 25

On 25 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Randle Holme, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Andrew c ^[talk] 01:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Well done! Espresso Addict 05:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

On November 6, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Charles Cotton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

UKCOUNTIES?

Hello Peter I. Vardy/Archive2! I Hope all is well. I'm contacting you as part of your close involvement with the development of the WP:UKCITIES standard.

In addition to some cosmetic upgrades I've made/requested for the UK Geography project, I'm considering a draft upgrade of the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about counties guide, so that it is much more user friendly and at a standard more akin to the WP:UKCITIES standard.

Of course I'd like to have you involved from the start. If you have any concerns or ideas, I'd be grateful if you could leave them at my talk page, where I'll pool together some ideas from some other users and then report back with them. My initial thoughts are they should inline with the existing policy on counties as well as allow for flexibility for ENG/SCO/WLS/NI. Hope you can help, -- Jza84 · (talk) 22:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of The Bankfield School

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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Hammer1980·^talk 12:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of The Grange Comprehensive School

A tag has been placed on The Grange Comprehensive School requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Hammer1980·^talk 12:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Schools

There is no information for any of them. Just an address. Fails to establish notability. The fact that the articles can be covered within a project does not circumvent Wiki policy. One has already been deleted previously in October for the same reason. Surely it would be better to create the article when there is actually something notable to mention about the school. Regards. Hammer1980·^talk 12:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Admin RfA

You asked me to let you know if I ever decided to put myself forwards as an administrator.

Well, yesterday evening I did, but to be perfectly frank I'm rather beginning to regret it now. Anyway, if you'd care to make some comment my RfA is at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Malleus_Fatuarum.

--Malleus Fatuarum (talk) 16:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

High Schools in Halton Borough

Thanks for the thanks, Peter. It was no problem, as I had an hour or so free, and thought those articles had the greatest immediate need. It is unfortunate, but it seems that if the move to nominate articles for speedy deletion is done in those ways, then one has to almost write an entire article offsite and then upload it to circumvent such hasty nominations. Like you, I thought there would be a more gradual process, with speedy deletes being reserved for obviously slim articles with little or no prospect of expansion. However, there is a big debate going on on the schools project about deletion of schools, and I think we just got caught up in some of it. Thanks for the best wishes about my recent family issues: I hope things will quieten down a little now, but I do now have one rather large outstanding task to do which could take up some time. Then, in two months time, I have to engage with the UK Immigration Authorities (not directly on my own behalf, as I'm a British Citizen), and that may also take up some time.  DDStretch  (talk) 18:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)