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List of DYK Hooks by Date
Date # of Hooks # Verified
July 6 1
July 20 1
July 25 3
July 30 1
July 31 2
August 1 1
August 4 1
August 5 1
August 6 3
August 7 1
August 8 2
August 9 2 1
August 10 1
August 11 2
August 12 2
August 13 5
August 14 3
August 15 13 1
August 16 9
August 17 3
August 19 5 1
August 20 4
August 21 6 1
August 22 4
August 23 6 2
August 24 8 5
August 25 6 1
August 26 6 2
August 27 4
August 28 5
August 29 4
August 30 9 4
August 31 4
September 1 5 1
September 2 5 1
September 3 7 2
September 4 11 3
September 5 13 5
September 6 11 3
September 7 10 1
September 8 10
September 9 16 6
September 10 10 5
September 11 15 1
September 12 17 1
September 13 11 1
September 14 21 4
September 15 7 1
September 16 17 3
September 17 9 2
September 18 14 1
September 19 13 2
September 20 8
September 21
Total 358 61
Last updated 03:06, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
Current time is 03:21, September 21, 2014 UTC (purge)

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Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on July 6[edit]

Development of Deus Ex

Warren Spector at GDC 2010

Mainspaced by Czar (talk). Self nominated at 13:22, 13 July 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment: 193/200 character limit, which tells me you knew you were working with a long hook. The current wording of the hook assumes that everyone knows that Deus Ex is a video game. Instead of waiting 11 words to tell the reader that you're talking about a game, why not tell us in the beginning? You can also shorten it by getting rid of the quote, since you don't need to cite someone to refer to conspiracy theories. Viriditas (talk) 23:01, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
@Viriditas, it's phrased like that so the bold link could sit properly and it's quoted to signify Spector's own words. Would you like to suggest an ALT1? czar  02:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand why it is phrased and quoted, but I don't see how that changes my criticism. I could come up with an ALT, but I would prefer that you would as an acknowledgement that the original hook isn't ideal. If you want to wait for another reviewer, that's fine with me. Viriditas (talk) 03:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
It was to say that I did not agree with your criticism. I gave it a tweak—let me know what you think? czar  03:54, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Much improved, but not quite there, IMO. Pretend you've been in suspended animation since 1971 and you've been unfrozen as a test subject for Wikipedia's DYK process. You're presented with this DYK -- do you understand it? That's probably a bit extreme, but I hope you see my point. We need to write for the reader. "Millennial weirdness" is a subset of conspiracy theories, so it's redundant to even mention it. Viriditas (talk) 04:04, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
It's becoming more insipid as it becomes more clear, but what say you czar  05:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I see what you mean. I've restored your original DYK. Please work off an ALT instead so you don't lose your original. The two sources you're using in the article lend a bit of insight into this. GameSlice says that 1) Spector was bored with science fiction and fantasy, so he 2) found himself obsessing on the "millennial weirdness" of the late 1990s and 3) the conpsiracy "stuff" floating around, at which point he 4) saw that his wife was ignoring him in favor of The X-Files, so 5) in an aha! moment he realized he could make a game from the millennial, conspiracy, and alien themes floating around. Or in his own words on the Gamasutra postmortem, the game "combines the best of The Manchurian Candidate, Robocop and Colossus: The Forbin Project in a world inspired by The X-Files and Men in Black." In the same source he writes that the game "plugs into two popular fantasies -- the millennial madness that's gripping the world, exemplified by The X-Files and Men in Black and a general fascination with conspiracy theories and the desire to play with high-tech espionage toys." Viriditas (talk) 06:39, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg All right. Will you be doing a full review? czar  14:18, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Sure, I'm happy to do the review. However, I won't have any time until later tonight, HST. Btw, the original DYK is still better than your ALT, but you knew that already. :) Viriditas (talk) 01:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Article is new (moved from user to mainspace) and long enough (23,724). The hook has an inline citation (GameSlice), and the image is freely licensed. It isn't clear if the hook is formatted properly, as I seem to recall the retention of the comma combined with an ellipsis disputed by some, while others find it acceptable style. There's also the linking within the quotation for emphasis, which again, is somewhat disputed. Assuming for the sake of this argument that both follow correct style usage, the hook is long (193) and not very "hooky". The reader doesn't know Deus Ex is a game right away, so potential readers might be confused, and the wording of "began to plan the game's development upon connecting" didn't even make sense to me until I read the source text. I think you've taken on a complex hook so you can use the image of the director. This clearly shows your expertise, but I don't think our readers should have to put that much effort into understanding it. My personal preference is for something shorter and simpler, something more "hooky" and easy to understand. I really don't think the average passing reader is going to have any idea what "upon connecting his wife's fascination with The X-Files with 'real world, millennial weirdness, ... conspiracy stuff'" means. After reading the article and the source text, I understand what it means, but the reader should not have to read the article and the actual citation just to understand the DYK. Your ALT1 is somewhat of an improvement, but it introduces the pub. year (2000), which causes confusion again (2000 video game?) and repeats the same "connected his thoughts about conspiracy theories and his wife's fascination with The X-Files" hook. The question I ask as a reader is, why did the game begin when he connected those things? I had to read the article and the citation to find out. According to the citation, he was "bored with science fiction and fantasy", and he received inspiration to develop the new game from his surroundings (the "millennial weirdness" of the time, conspiracy theories in popular culture, and his wife's appreciation of The X-Files). This is a complex hook whose meaning isn't immediately clear. Viriditas (talk) 06:17, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a recommendation? I don't think it's a big deal that Deus Ex is established as a game later in the hook. As for "why", that's why it's a hook—sends readers to the article. I don't think it's necessary to explain his interest in sci-fi etc. in the hook czar  22:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Right, but I find it confusing for readers. You're assuming that people know it's a video game before telling them it's a video game. Fine, I can live with that. But then you tell the reader that the director of the game began to plan it when he connected all of these things together, which doubles the confusion for anyone unfamiliar with the topic. I think it would make a significant difference in comprehension if you were to replace the wording of "upon connecting" in the original or " connected his thoughts" in ALT1. I read hooks as if I don't know anything about the subject (beginner's mind) to put myself in the mind of a random reader. You've written this hook for fans of video games, not the reader. That's why I have a problem with it. I agree that the hook sends readers to the article to find out more, but the link between developing the game and connecting that development with conspiracy theories isn't clear in the hook. I'm sure you can find a fan of video games to pass it, but it makes no sense to me in its current form. Viriditas (talk) 23:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Most hooks here do not label the hook topic's media—in fact, most leave it vague because that's how readers are drawn into the hook. The hook is absolutely written for people who know nothing about video games—it doesn't use jargon or assume anything. I can entertain a proposed alternative, if you have one, but if you think the original hook is unacceptable, I'd want to request a second opinion. czar  03:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It's been two weeks since the above, and since a new ALT hook has not been proposed, then a new reviewer is needed to give a second opinion on the existing hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Agree, confusing. Not jargon-y, but in terms of its organization. How's about... "ALT2: ... that Warren Spector (pictured) began planning the development of Deus Ex after connecting his wife's fascination with The X-Files to "real world, millennial weirdness, ... conspiracy stuff"? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Good suggestions. Fine by me—struck the originals czar  11:57, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Great. Needs a review (don't know anymore if the community would consider me too involved or not). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 20[edit]

50 Carnaby Street

  • ALT1:... that 50 Carnaby Street was home to a series of nightclubs, including the Florence Mills Social Parlour, The Roaring Twenties and Columbo's?
  • Reviewed: Glen Rounds
  • Comment: Better hooks welcome!

Created by Philafrenzy (talk), Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 18:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new enough, long enough and there is no obvious close paraphrasing. My main concern is that too many of the sources look like blogs. Since the article deals with negative themes like drug abuse, with quotations from various people, I would say the sources have to be of a higher level that have seen scrutiny from a professional publisher. Can you explain how we could trust, say, the source for the "hell on earth" quotation? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:14, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I would have thought that the 25 sources were a good mix of books, webpages and personal reminiscences. No individual is accused of taking drugs. This is a popular culture article so inevitably the sources are not likely to be university press books, but they still seem sound and reliable to me. I wouldn't characterise sites like henrybebop.co.uk or themodgeneration.co.uk as blogs exactly and where they are used it is mainly to describe atmosphere and repeat personal reminiscences. I agree it would be nice to have a better source for the "hell on earth" quotation but it is in no way a controversial statement so I would have thought we could live with the current source. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I will check out those sources. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I'll also rummage around those to see if I can come up with a good hook, as that's where good book sources really count. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • By the way, The Mirror, and The Daily Mail, are sound sources that far back. It was only later they became a bit of a joke. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:46, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, from Frame Page 108 (this'll need to be worked into the article) - ALT2 ... that the Roaring 20s, at 50 Carnaby Street was one of the first black music clubs in London? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Trouble is, that source seems to be wrong, both on the date and about the Roaring Twenties being one of the first black clubs. In the previous paragraph we have this confirming the existence of at least five Caribbean clubs in London by 1959, before the Roaring Twenties even opened. I think the original hook is sound. See my talk page for a discussion with another editor about the attribution of the quote to Hall. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Third opinion on hooks required. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

What about Alt3 " ... that 50 Carnaby Street was home to a series of nightclubs, including a 1950 bebop jazz club once described as like "hell on earth"? Philafrenzy (talk) 11:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There is significant and unacceptable close paraphrasing verging on copyvio in the Club Eleven section, the basis for Alt3, all from the henrybebop.co.uk website, which appears to be the work of a single person and therefore probably not what Wikipedia considers a reliable source. The entire second paragraph is from it in one way or another—the opening phrase and succeeding quote is one paragraph from the cited page, and the rest is eerily similar. Compare the article's "On the evening of 15 April 1950, the club was raided by the Drugs Squad. Six musicians were arrested and appeared in court on drugs charges and Denis Rose was arrested by the Royal Military Police as an Army deserter." to the source's "On the night of 15th April, 1950, Club 11 was raided by the Drugs Squad. Six musicians appeared on drugs charges and Denis Rose was arrested by the Military Police as an Army deserter." I'm going to ask Nikkimaria to check the rest of the article if she's willing; if there are other significant instances, I plan to close the nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:48, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 25[edit]

Sarah Pucill

  • ... that Sarah Pucill's part essay, part film poem, Magic Mirror restages the surrealist Claude Cahun's photographs as a series of tableaus vivants?

Created by Ieditfilm (talk), Alphabettylondon (talk), Shiningroad (talk), and Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Right, age and size check out. Hook checks out. Someone cut-and-pasted the sentence "The film examines the appearance and disappearance of the phantom as it relates to the present/absent dynamic of visible lesbian sexuality in the canons of both cinema and art history." from this ref. Also that ref is used to cite that she's been a reader at Westminster since 2000...but I couldn't find that date in the source. Otherwise article appears faithful to source material without paraphrasing too closely. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:20, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I've rephrased most of the copy and paste sentence and left a small part as a quote, with a cite added. I've also found a cite for the "since 2000" bit. Changed "tableaus vivants" to "tableaux vivants" - my poor French. Edwardx (talk) 10:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Pulled from queue for copyright concerns. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:22, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • To expand, there is some material taken verbatim and some more closely paraphrased from this site, which is copyrighted. Noting the concerns raised by Casliber above, it is possible that there is additional problematic copying involving other sites. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article has had a "close paraphrasing" template on it since August 30; nominator Edwardx was pinged on September 3 and has not yet replied here or edited the article to take care of the problematic paraphrasing. If there is no response very soon, this nomination will be marked for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I have extensively copyedited and reorganised the article, either rewording or using quotes around phrases that could not easily be reworked. I hope it will now past muster. My apologies for not tackling this sooner. Edwardx (talk) 23:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your work so far. I have removed the tag, but I think a bit more editing is needed before DYK. For example, "Many of her films take place within the confines of domestic space" remains quite close to "The majority of her films take place within the confinements of domestic space". Nikkimaria (talk) 04:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • And thank you for your diligence. I've done some more copyediting. I did try to teach our new editors at the editathon about not copying and pasting, but it looks like this is a message we'll have to keep repeating. Edwardx (talk) 22:42, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Agreed, as it is a pervasive problem: "The film examines the phantom's appearance and disappearance in relation to" and "The film examines the appearance and disappearance of the phantom as it relates to". Often problems like this require extensive checking and restructuring. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

PLDT HOME: The Last Home Stand

Created by WayKurat (talk). Self nominated at 15:44, 25 July 2014 (UTC).

What's "push through"? EEng (talk) 03:10, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
I replaced the confusing idiom. Now I realize that "push through" has many meanings after a quick search. -WayKurat (talk) 03:49, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg New and long enough, but you should fix the Event section, it has instances of WP:PARAPHRASE, please check it if it's neutral, everything's good, no copyvio, plagriasm, interesting hook, i prefer ALT1, i should tick it if you have fixed it.-PAPAJECKLOY (hearthrob! kiss me! <3) (talk) 16:13, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Can you please point out where exactly the paraphrase occur? -WayKurat (talk) 04:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • It's an interesting article, WayKurat. I did mark three words as a small quote, and revised a couple of words that didn't need to be reused from the original sources ("assured", for example), and also fixed the incorrect assertion that the PLDT statement was made the next day, which can't be true given what it actually says. If PapaJeckloy saw any paraphrasing in particular, he should say which words were involved so they can be fixed. I also think that the phrase "tune-up game" in the hooks and in the article needs to be explained or wikilinked somehow—is it like an exhibition game, or is it something else? This may require a different hook wording, if a wikilink can't do the trick. Also, "push through", while eliminated from the hooks, is used at least twice in the article and remains confusing: the final four words of the intro, "did not pushed through", are ungrammatical on top of being confusing. This is not the only place where the article needs a copyedit to fix prose issues: there are tense problems and other things that need improvement. However, the big thing is that the article is talking about the event as if it were a two-day event. That may have been the plan, but the event ultimately ran one day with the second day canceled. So it only took place on July 22, 2014—there needs to be a major revision to reflect this. (Can you figure out what happened to source 14, the "at Big Dome gives us first-person perspective as Gilas vs NBA 'nightmare' unfolded before his eyes"-titled one? It appears to be a dead link, but I think the URL might not be right.) The original hook strikes me as dicey, as it seems to blame the NBA, who had informed the organizers in April that there were problems. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah, the term "exhibition game" is better than "tune-up game" since this is what the event is advertised. I also added the cancellation of the second day in the lead section, and I have corrected the link at source 14. I have also removed the "pushed through" phrase in the article. Maybe this hook can be used instead of my original one:
  • ALT2: ...that refunds for the two-day charity event PLDT HOME: The Last Home Stand were offered after the scheduled exhibition game between NBA players and Gilas Pilipinas was cancelled?
-WayKurat (talk) 05:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I've just done a copyedit of the article (and changed "got" to "was" in ALT2), so this is basically ready for a new reviewer. WayKurat, one thing that should be cleared up is whether there were exhibition games originally scheduled for both July 22 and July 23 (there clearly was one for July 22, and the wording in the intro and body would seem to indicate another exhibition game for July 23), or just July 22. If just the first night, the second-day events wording needs fixing. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the fixes. I've also corrected the terms used for the lead section, specifically about the "two day event". -WayKurat (talk) 10:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review still needed. (Original review was by serial sock PapaJeckloy, and should be ignored.) Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Poverty in Cyprus

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nominated at 04:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. The hook doesn't really make sense, without any context on what is meant here by poverty. And I can't see what source it is that backs up the "likely increased". Link to source 7 is broken. Source 11 is 14 pages long - which page? Some refs are bare URLs. The article is quite poorly written. NOT checked for close paraphrasing/copyvios. Edwardx (talk) 21:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
  • "The hook doesn't really make sense". Subjective, I find it quite sensible, but I'll ping economist User:Volunteer Marek for a 3O.
  • "Link to source 7 is broken. " Fixed.
  • "Source 11 is 14 pages long - which page?" This level of detail which I generally support is not required for DYK's. In fact, I don't think it is even required for FAs. Nonetheless it is good practice and I'd consider double checking and providing a page number, if not for the fact that in this case it is self-evident: look at the title and read the abstract.
  • "Some refs are bare URLs." Which ones? I don't see any.
  • "The article is quite poorly written." Subjective, and not an issue for DYKs, unless the prose is gibberish, which I think it's not. You are more than welcome to copyedit the prose to make it better, which I am sure can be done, but I'll repeat: I believe that the prose as it stands right now meets minimum DYK reqs. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Looking quickly at the source, the poverty referred to is relative poverty (income relative to median), not absolute poverty (which given the magnitudes also makes sense since absolute poverty in Cyprus would probably be on the order of 1% or less).Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Actually, scratch that. In table 2 they use the Foster Greer Thorbecke index which is usually calculated for absolute poverty. They also say that they use a static poverty line for all the years under consideration. This means that the statement refers to absolute poverty as defined for Cyprus - i.e. it's a measure for that economy over time, but it cannot be used to compare to other countries.Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Apologies for not coming back to this sooner, but I've never studied economics, so it is quite hard work to review this. By "the source", I assume we mean Koutsampelas and Polycarpou (2013). From both the title and the abstract, it seems clear to me that the source primarily focuses on relative poverty, although it also looks at absolute poverty. I would not be willing to sign off the current hook, and would propose ALT1 below (of course, it will have to be reviewed by someone else): Edwardx (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, first, this needs to be in past tense, since this already happened. Second, you're actually right that they do talk a lot about relative poverty in the article, especially in the title and the abstract. This is what threw me off initially as well. *However*, the actual fact from the hook is based on the table and discussion which is about *absolute* poverty, as measured by the FGT Index (Foster Greer Thorbecke). So it's incorrect to say it was "relative poverty" - it was "absolute poverty" (as defined by the government of Cyprus). I will double check to make sure, but I'm pretty sure about this.Volunteer Marek (talk) 01:55, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

@Edwardx, Volunteer Marek: I am not fond of qualifying statements like "according to one study" which seem to cast doubt on the assertion. Unless contradictory sources are presented, there's no need to be cautious. This is what the article states. I do appreciate any clarifications regarding absolute/relative poverty and such; thank you both for your help! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment "...poverty in Cyprus has increased after many years stability, likely due to the..." ~ R.T.G 22:03, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
  • YesYConfirm, The citation in the last paragraph to page one of Social Protection in the Candidate Countries.. needs to be changed to page 59. Otherwise I have copy-edited the full text a little and all citations seem to be in order. Note to author: Only one of the redlinks required an article, Unemployment in Cyprus, and I delinked it so there were no red links for DYK, but if you'd like to go back to that in the future I'd suggest starting the article Employment in Cyprus which maybe be much easier to write and can contain the info about unemployment. ~ R.T.G 06:13, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
  • RTG, the rule against redlinks for DYK just refers to the hook itself; while the hook can't have redlinks, there can be redlinks in the nominated article. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:32, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
    • @BlueMoonset:Indeed, apologies and I have read the guides a little more carefully for another time, ty. Also, you might be interested to make an opinion at the long waiting Minor White review above (July 20th). I assume that it is not reviewed because the sources cannot be checked, but patience seems to be fraying in the belief there is some sort of perceived issue with the style. ~ R.T.G 10:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New review needed by new reviewer (RTG proposed the only active hook and is thus ineligible to review it), which should include a check to be sure prose is adequate to DYK. Since the original review failed to check neutrality and close paraphrasing, these facets needs checking now. ALT1 hook has been struck due to above comments; restating the partial hook proposed by RTG on September 4 as a complete, properly formatted ALT2 (which replaces the original hook):

Articles created/expanded on July 30[edit]

1 (2013 film)

  • ... that 1 is a documentary film about Formula One auto racing's progression from multiple fatalities per season to the 1994 death of Ayrton Senna, the sport's most recent death?

5x expanded by Gilke001 (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 04:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC).

  • The "multiple fatalities per season" is not supported by the citations given (And please change the wording in the article from "heyday" as this has positive overtones) Belle (talk) 10:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg There are a few "citation needed" tags to clear up. And most of the article is (unsourced) plot summary. Yoninah (talk) 23:08, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Movie plots are generally unsourced.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Right. But 80% of this article is the plot summary. We had this discussion on one of your previous film nominations. Perhaps you have more production detail to beef up the article? Yoninah (talk) 00:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I am not really the main editor for this article, especially the uncited countent that you mention.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Right. I'll ping the page creator. Yoninah (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, where does this stand now? Is it ready for further review, or do issues still remain. (I've just removed the stub template from the article.) Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Seventy-six percent of the page is unsourced plot summary. There is one sourced paragraph of Critical Reception, and no production notes. I really don't think this is DYK-worthy. Yoninah (talk) 12:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Perhaps another reviewer could look at this. I personally think all the Critical Reception is padding and that the article is still imbalanced with too much plot summary. Yoninah (talk) 23:13, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Padding is a bit harsh. This is a documentary film. I added what i could. Since the DVD is available I WP:AGF that my colleague summarized the film. Recall that WP:FILMPLOT says Plots need not be sourced. The plot is a fullsized article level of detail and the rest of the article is a start class level of detail. However, I think that means we should hope that the rest of the article expands at some point in the future and not that the plot be shrunk.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, I started a section on production notes. It would be nice to say something about the soundtrack, but I couldn't find anything specific. Yoninah (talk) 21:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I think the hook could be hookier, but there's not much that's sourced to work with in the article. How about:
  • ALT2: ... that 1 tracks the history of Formula One racing fatalities through archival footage and interviews with F1 champions such as Jackie Stewart, Jacky Ickx, and Michael Schumacher? Yoninah (talk) 12:37, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't know; I thought racing buffs might connect to the names. I just wish the original hook were tighter/snappier. Yoninah (talk) 15:54, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I referred to [[1]] to refresh my memory of the sport. As can be seen there, at least 14 F1 drivers died at the wheel in the first 8 years of F1 (1952-1959); by comparison, only 4 died during the 1980s, with the two dying in 1982 being the only multiple-fatality year. That makes the factual basis of the film suspect. Including a factual howler in this article also undermines its veracity; I am referring to the simpleminded assertion that to go twice as fast, you merely have to double the engine size from 1.5 liters to 3 liters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgejdorner (talkcontribs) 15:46, 11 September 2014‎ (UTC)
  • This review is not a place for you to be pointing out inaccuracies of the film. You can go blog somewhere about that. Furthermore, List of fatal Formula One accidents is not a WP:RS. The article currently points to an RS that states 19 death occured in a 16 year period. By simple logic, there were multiple years with multiple fatalities. What do you think is suspect about the film that none of the film reviewers have found (since by viewing a wikipedia page you now know more than all the people who have reviewed the film)? I have no idea whether doubling the horsepower approximately doubles the speed. If the film and secondary sources of the film say that happened we are suppose to summarize that. Recall WP:TRUTH.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:02, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • What a spirited defense for including false information in an encyclopedia!
  • If any of your sources for this article insist that doubling the horsepower will make a car go twice as fast, they are totally ignorant of physics. And my reference to a WP list as a memory aid is scarcely a claim that it is a reliable source. However, if the film contains controversial or false information, shouldn't it be noted in the article?Georgejdorner (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • In light of the above inaccuracies, I have my doubts that this article is DYK material. I did not go on to check such items as length, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgejdorner (talkcontribs) 15:46, 11 September 2014‎ (UTC)
  • Article length was never an issue to me; see above. The hostility of the nominator, including his personal attack that amounts to bad faith, however, makes it clear that my reviewing is unwelcome.Georgejdorner (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 31[edit]

Betty May

  • Reviewed: Self nomination, one of my first five.

Created by Philafrenzy (talk), Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 11:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Oh, come on. There's a libel suit, a sensational murder involving a diamond heiress, a mysterious disappearance, a Dickensian childhood... please let's have a really good hook. EEng (talk) 02:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Agreed, it was done in a hurry to meet the deadline. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Well remember, DYK has the idiotic 7-day deadline to remind us all that slapdash work done in a hurry is valued over careful work done at leisure. EEng (talk) 21:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I was referring to the hook, not the article. Not that I am saying the article is perfect of course. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • How about "That Betty May testified against Aleister Crowley, claiming her husband had ritually sacrificed a cat and drank its blood? It's more interesting. Too grim? *edited*Bali88 (talk) 13:31, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't think we can say that he was forced exactly. He could have left at any time. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • How's that?
It's hard to choose with this one -- everywhere you turn there's something like 'Smokey Joe's, "a non-alcoholic speakeasy-cum-lesbian pub" '. Take your time. EEng (talk) 15:45, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
And I haven't even finished putting it all in yet! Philafrenzy (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Let us know when you're done and we'll have an orgy of sensational hooks to choose from. EEng (talk) 19
33, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
It's an extraordinary tale isn't it? Not least that she was accused of attempted murder by her mother in law and put it in her book! Philafrenzy (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I just noticed this again. Now I'm even more at sea. Though in a weird way it makes me ill to read. Give me a day. EEng (talk) 02:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
It's a fascinating but not very wholesome story indeed. And the last 30 or 40 years of her life are missing for lack of sources. One can only speculate how many more marriages there were and how many more deaths and what she did during the Second World War. The Nicholson book indicates at least one more marriage but without details. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:18, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Joss Whedon

Joss Whedon

  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by RealGrayLogan (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 19:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Great article. Well sourced. Comprehensive. Definitely long enough. New enough. However, the hook is a bit bland for someone unfamiliar with his work. You could perhaps change it to something more exciting and accessible to a less Whedon-aware audience (something about his feminism or themes?). --EvanRo (talk) 19:44, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. Below is an alternative hook. Oceanh (talk) 21:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that when Joss Whedon (pictured) asked himself why he writes such strong female characters, he said "Because you're still asking me that question"?
I originally was thinking "when Joss Whedon was asked why ...", but the text in the article doesn't quite say that. The relevant cite does, but I remember watching the speech and it was self referential. Of course, he's probably said it elsewhere as well. This way it matches the article though. JoltColaOfEvil (talk) 23:39, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to look at the hooks. Also, there's nothing in the original review about neutrality or close paraphrasing checks, so those should also be checked. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg All the hooks meet length requirements. The primary hook is sourced although if you don't know Joss Whedon you probably never heard of those TV shows, either. ALT1 is not supported in the citations. ALT2 is sourced to themarysue.com, which I'm not sure is a reliable source. ALT2 could be re-worded "when asked why..., Joss Whedon replies..." The article had been recently approved as GA. The article appears to be within policy. Apart from the numerous mirrors that also display this content I don't see any evidence of close-paraphrasing. The image is CC-A-SA. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:02, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the review. I struck alt1, since it can not be directly verified from the citations. Reworded alt2 as alt2B below, as suggested. Else, I don't quite understand the objections to the original hook, since all four TV series link to rather comprehensive articles (Firefly is even FA). [By the way, I never heard of those TV shows before myself]. Oceanh (talk) 20:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT2B: ... that when asked why he writes such strong female characters, Joss Whedon (pictured) replies, "Because you're still asking me that question"?
  • Like Chris troutman, I'm dubious about themarysue.com site, not least of which is due to the meaning of Mary Sue. Whether it's reliable, between its owner (an ABC co-anchor of Nightline) on the plus side, and its worrying disclaimer, I'd leave to the reliable sources noticeboard to opine on. However, rather than use that source, wikiquote lists that Whedon quote and gives its source (which in turn gives its context, a speech in which he gives many answers to that one question); it was an "Equality Now Tribute Address" in 2006, and the video and transcript are here. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:05, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd support ALT2B with the new sourcing. I want to emphasize the primary hook is fine. I was only questioning how interesting it would be to the audience that doesn't know Joss Whedon's work. Frankly, I'm stunned by people that know Whedon from Avengers but not Buffy or Dollhouse. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:59, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for finding a better source. I have added this reference to the article, as an inline citation for the quote. Oceanh (talk) 17:33, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 1[edit]

Freddie Sessler

  • ... that Freddie Sessler escaped from a concentration camp, to later become "the world's oldest rock and roll groupie"?

Created by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 21:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 4[edit]

Rucha Pujari

Rucha Pujari playing simultaneous chess in Kolhapur

Created by AkshayP013 (talk). Nominated by Noyster (talk) at 10:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg My immediate concerns is that there's a fair volume of text that doesn't have inline citations attributed to them. Once that's been resolved, I'll take a second swing by and check for copy vios and reference suitability. As it stands, it meets the other criteria for length and recent creation. Miyagawa (talk) 09:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg It has been over three weeks since the above, and nothing has been done to address this issue, despite a ping to the nominator's talk page at the time. I'll do one more ping, but a response will be needed soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Anyone else is welcome to work on this, but I'm unlikely to do so. Thanks: Noyster (talk), 17:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Reporting on duty! Will try now. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:33, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Dharmadhyaksha, I notice that your first edit, removing the unsourced Education section, was promptly reverted by the article's creator. Have you given up on trying to work on the article? If so, I think the nomination will have to be closed due to lack of sourcing here and in the first two National events paragraphs, and Noyster's disinclination to pursue the nomination further. (The creator has never responded to a talk page ping on the DYK nomination.) Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:29, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Dharmadhyaksha, thank you so much: it's much closer now. I've made some minor edits and added two tags: one for the uncited Early life paragraph, and one for the source which purports to support Pujari's first Woman International Master norm but doesn't say anything about it. Once we get these straightened away, we can ping Miyagawa to take that second swing. Please reply here when you've finished; without that notification, it can sit for days or even weeks before someone notices that the nomination appears stalled and investigates. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 5[edit]


  • ... that two Americans who had been infected with Ebola appeared to have had positive results after being administered ZMapp serum?

Created by Prokaryotes (talk), Johndheathcote (talk), Sammyj (talk) and Jytdog (talk). Nominated by Skr15081997 (talk) at 11:31, 12 August 2014 (UTC).

  • May I propose ALT1?: ... that two Americans with Ebola virus improved after receiving ZMapp serum? (In medical contexts, "positive results" makes me think of a test that indicated the presence of something, like a positive HIV test. Also, the body of the article doesn't reflect that both Americans received ZMapp. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 09:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Eric, i have made some changes to better reflect that both were treated. prokaryotes (talk) 10:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Complete review needed.--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I would wait for the results, before publishing this. --prokaryotes (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • prokaryotes, is the article ready now? It seems to have been greatly expanded, and would need a complete review in any event. As one of the major contributors to the article, I've been reluctant to call again for a new reviewer based on your last comment, but it's been almost three weeks; if I don't hear one way or another soon, we'll look for that new reviewer. Also, does the hook still hold, or should a new one be proposed? BlueMoonset (talk) 18:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review still needed; no response from prokaryotes. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:16, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 6[edit]

St. Augustine Parish Church (Bay)

Bay Church

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 19:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, not long enough. Needs 134 more characters.  ΤheQ Editor  Talk? 19:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It now has > 134 chars more Victuallers (talk) 13:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg New enough and just long enough. No close paraphrasing seen in online sources. No QPQ needed for non-self-nomination.
  • I was looking around Google and Google Books for more information about the architecture of the church and its national historical landmark status, and was surprised not to find anything. Isn't it mentioned in guidebooks? I'd also like to mention that it was hard finding anything about the church under the name St. Augustine Parish Church (Bay). My searches turned up churches in England and San Francisco rather than this one, so I moved the page to St. Augustine Parish Church (Laguna), which seemed to generate more hits. But maybe that is inaccurate? Perhaps "Philippines" should be in the name somewhere?
  • Regarding the hook, the location of the church should be included. Also, nipa needs to be disambiguated – do you mean Nypa fruticans (Nipa palm) or Distichlis palmeri (Nipa grass)? Yoninah (talk) 23:37, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Regarding references, there is certainly a very few sources for this type of article and for cultural heritage in the Philippines as a whole. Historical markers are the most common source of the information. If the title will be St. Augustine Parish Church (Philippines), following WP:COMMONNAME, it should be given to San Agustin Church (Manila) since it is the most common and known St. Agustin Church in the Philippines. With the concern on disambugating nipa, there are no references citing what species of nipa was used. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 04:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A view. OK its tricky to find extra information. I know because I had to add the extra bits. It would also be nice to know the species of Nypa but we describe objects as "wooden" without knowing the precise species of timber. The Phillipines is a country and Augustine is not an obscure saint. It seems unlikely that this is the most important, but I guess wiki rules would allow it to dabbed in the simplest way. The key point here is that this simple little article needs a review. Please assist. Victuallers (talk) 21:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook citation did not work for me so I added another. I also added a wikilink for "nipa". The article is neutral and I identified no copyright issues. The submitted image was not used in the article so I have taken the liberty of substituting the one that is used which is in the public domain. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:55, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg I have removed this from the prep area and reopen this nomination, because the hook is not adequately sourced. Source 1, dioceseofsanpablo.com, is not active (you get a general page from Sedo, the webhost apparently). Source 2, [2] is a wordpress source where the actual information about the hook comes from Wiki Pilipinas. So we don't have a reliable source for the hook, and this can't go on the main page. Worse, it seems very probable that the information is simply wrong, and has been a mixup with the San Agustin Church (Manila). Fram (talk) 09:49, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Article is not a mixup with San Agustin Church (Manila). These are too different structures/buildings. The article really needs good sources, as stated in the previous comments. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 10:16, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Carlojoseph14, as this article was created by you, you're the logical person to supply those reliable sources, particularly for the hook. Please reply here if you add them to the article. If you don't have them, then it doesn't seem to me that the article can qualify for DYK. I realize that you didn't nominate the article, but as the nominator is not participating, it's left to you to determine what happens next. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, edited the article and added reliable sources. I would like to change the hook.
ALT2: ... that the first church of Bay was constructed from cane and nipa by the Augustinians? --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 01:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Carlojoseph14, changing the hook is fine. (You might want to wikilink "nipa" to match the article.) While checking the new hook in the article, I noticed some redundant phrases in the History section. After doing a copyedit, the article is now 1474 prose characters, too short for DYK (it will need further expansion). I also noticed that one of the sources, biyahero.net, is a "travel portal", and as such is unlikely to be considered a reliable source. As the bulk of the second History paragraph is sourced to that site, a new source will be needed for that information. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:33, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I think the phrase, "under the patronage of St. Augustine" should be kept since not all Augustinian parishes are established under the advocacy of St. Augustine. Regarding the travel site, only one line is source to that. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 04:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • You're right about "patronage"—I hadn't realized that meant Augustine was the "patron saint", rather than it simply being an Augustinian-run church. I'm glad you restored it. The travel site remains an issue; if it's not reliable, then it simply shouldn't be used as a reference, and material sourced to it should be removed. I'm sorry, but information needs to be verifiable, and that requires reliability. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:07, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I Hope You Find It

  • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by CyrockingSmiler (talk). Self nominated at 08:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article new enough (promoted on 6 August), long enough, fully referenced. No QPQ required. Hook is mentioned in the lead, but not in the body, and is not supported by the accompanying reference. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:49, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Hawkeye7, CyrockingSmiler hasn't edited on Wikipedia since August 22, and clearly pulled up stakes (including deleting all comments made on a GA review he or she was working on). That said, I've found a source that confirms that Cyrus did the song for the movie—checking WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG, I see no requirement that hook facts cannot be solely in the lead. However, I'm quite puzzled that any GA review would pass an article where most of the facts in the lead are not in the body, given that MOS:LEAD is clearly a criterion that a GA must adhere to... but it was made a GA and nominated on time. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Very true. I've seen hooks that were in the image captions and footnotes. The rules do allow this. Good to go now that it is referenced and I've verified the ref. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The first paragraph under Live performances and promotion is uncited. Yoninah (talk) 23:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I've found a suitable reference, though it only covers the final sentence. Unfortunately, that reference (and a quick online check) shows that the facts in that final sentence were wrong: both the date of Cher's Dancing with the Stars appearance and when she performed it (which was not at the end of the program, as stated). The way the second sentence is worded of that section is worded, I'd expect her to have appeared on all six shows that next day, but that seems infeasible and something that certainly ought to have a citation. At this point, I'm worried about the article's accuracy and the broadness of its coverage (it seems to be very Cher-heavy), in addition to the fact that it clearly doesn't meet GA requirements. I'm strongly considering putting the article up for reassessment; I'll post here if I do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have just opened a good article reassessment on this article, and as one of the findings was close paraphrasing, this nomination is on hold until the reassessment has been completed. If the issues are resolved, then this review can continue; if the article is delisted, then I don't believe this can qualify for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:02, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Maricopa County Courthouse

Maricopa County Courthouse as seen from Jefferson Street

Created by Raymie (talk). Self nominated at 02:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC).

  • ALT1 gets a nomination for perhaps the least enticing hook ever. Howzabout
ALT2 ... that the first trial of Ernesto Miranda, which led to Miranda v. Arizona and the ubiquitous Miranda warning, was held in the Maricopa County Courthouse (pictured)?

(If this hook is thought desirable I'll be happy to add the minor additional sourcing needed.) EEng (talk) 02:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

  • I think that might be a little long personally, though it is below 200 characters. Anyone else want to offer advice between the first proposal and ALT2? Raymie (tc) 06:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
ALT3 ... that the first trial of Ernesto Miranda, which eventually led to the ubiquitous Miranda warning, was held in the Maricopa County Courthouse (pictured)? EEng (talk) 20:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Perfect. I fixed one word to copy edit. Raymie (tc) 04:08, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I added a cite for "ubiquitous". EEng (talk) 13:48, 9 August 2014 (UTC) P.S. And isn't this way better than an office-furniture bidding scandal?

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. However, there are many long passages and at least one entire paragraph that lack in-line citations. This needs to be beefed up. Also, fuller details are needed for the citation to the "Nomination form to the National Register," particularly since most of the article is based on this document. Citation should include, at minimum, date and author of the document. Also, the nomination form is very long, 27 single-spaced pages. Since most of the article is based on it, it is important that it not be paraphrased too closely. A dupe detector check isn't possible for the form, so I'd ask the nominator to give it a careful pass-through to make sure there is no unduly close paraphrasing or plagiarism. Also, to assist in making sure that citations are accurate, we really need page cites for the various claims. For each fact based on the form, a specific page should be given where the information could be found. This is not so different than citing a book, and in that case, a page cite is needed. Photo is fine, and QPQ is satisfied. The alt 3 hook is interesting and short enough. If we can get by these other hurdles, I'll take another look. Cbl62 (talk) 05:24, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I wish I had time to do these things, but school started for me and I probably won't. If someone else wouldn't mind picking up the issues that'd be excellent. Sorry @Cbl62:. Raymie (tc) 04:31, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't mean to be a hard-ass but, where the article is almost entirely based on lengthy document of this type, it's near impossible to check the article for accuracy and absence of copyright violation, unduly close paraphrasing, etc., unless page cites are included. Cbl62 (talk) 04:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I ran several phrases from the article that use unusual works through Google search, such as "documents, emblems and other ephemera, was mortared inside with a silver trowel". The only hits garnered led back to this article. I think we can rule out copyright vio.Georgejdorner (talk) 23:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 7[edit]

Brian Brushwood

Brian Brushwood

  • ALT1:... that Brian Brushwood (pictured) walked away from his job designing computer systems to perform magic full-time?
  • ALT2:... that Brian Brushwood (pictured) teaches people how to use magic to "scam" free drinks?

5x expanded by Obsidianspider (talk). Self nominated at 11:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment as a fan of Brushwood I declare that I have a conflict of interest in reviewing this page. I have let the subject know that the page is up for nomination. Hasteur (talk) 21:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg - Appears to be a 3x expansion... I'm not really a stickler, but I'm not a regular here so I don't know how much we can fudge it. We have nearly a 7x increase in sources and this is a BLP, but the original article wasn't exactly unsourced... Second opinion anyone? -Thibbs (talk) 18:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I was accidentally counting charts and lists as prose. My mistake. So...
YesY Article is "new" (5x expansion)
YesY Long enough (>1500 words)
YesY???? Cited hook - ALT1 is properly cited via kstatecollegian.com (FN4) but I don't see anything on the topic in the Huffington post piece that is slapped on as FN5. Maybe remove FN5 or move it elsewhere? Sourcing is shaky for the original hook. Specifically, the Skepticality ref (FN3) resolves in a 403 error (though it's available via archive.org) and I'm generally leery of using primary sources in the way they are used here. I don't see any direct sources for ALT2. But anyway ALT1 is fine via FN4.
YesY???? Within policy - I'm not in love with the reliance on primary sources (more than 1/4 of the sources are youtube, testtube, etc. links to his actual shows and not secondary sources about his shows), and I'll have to AGF on the various talk shows (Footnotes 19-30), but there's nothing that is blatantly outside of policy.
YesY QPQ - Nom did not review anything else, but this is his first DYK so he's exempt.
YesY Hook properly formatted.
YesY Hook content POV-neutral and interesting.
YesY Image is CC-licensed, but lacking author info...
Symbol question.svg - Please fix the link with the 403 error and then we can roll with ALT1. -Thibbs (talk) 02:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @Thibbs: We don't use the green approval tick until the nomination is approved. I inserted a question mark in the meantime. Yoninah (talk) 23:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I was giving approval. A little cleanup would be preferred but I don't know if it's necessary to meet DYK's eligibility criteria. The broken link relates to the original hook, but I think the sources following ALT1 adequately satisfy criterion #3 (cited hook). As a whole the article is less than perfect, but I don't think it falls outside of policy (criterion #4) as it stands. Anyway I appreciate the oversight, Yoninah. I haven't done too many DYK reviews yet. :) -Thibbs (talk) 00:12, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Update: The Skepticality source is back online now. It may have just been a momentary hiccup. Might be worthwhile setting up an archived version, but it's not necessary to pass DYK as I understand it. -Thibbs (talk) 15:12, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 8[edit]

Balu Mahendra

Balu Mahendra in 2013

  • Reviewed: Aarhus
  • Comment: Recently promoted GA. Had previously appeared in the main page under RD.

Improved to Good Article status by Vensatry (talk). Self nominated at 17:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC).

  • There's something wrong here. It's a little unclear but certainly subject was a late-teenager, not a "child", during Kwai production.
ALT1 ... that Indian filmmaker Balu Mahendra saw the shooting of David Lean's The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) on a school trip?

However, there's a problem. I don't see either his age (as on original hook) or the field trip (ALT1, found in the article) in the source the article cites. This needs to be looked into before we can go further, or other hooks offered. EEng (talk) 20:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

About the age, even Bau Mahendra himself was not very sure. In TV interviews he had mentioned that he would've been around 13-14 at the time. Vensatry (ping) 15:16, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, the article needs to state the hook facts explicitly, with cites. EEng (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Isn't the fact mentioned in the article? Vensatry (ping) 16:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but the cited source(s) don't mention his age, or a field trip, just "A Sri Lankan Tamil, Balu Mahendra was fascinated by the world of cinema after watching The Bridge on the River Kwai shot there." EEng (talk) 16:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
My bad. Now done I think Vensatry (ping) 04:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, with the new cite ALT1 is fine. Striking ALT0 since age remains unclear. EEng (talk) 19:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Review needed.

Visionary fiction

  • ... that visionary fiction is a literary form that illustrates and demonstrates the process of growth in human consciousness?
  • Comment: Created February 14th in the draft namespace by Vicsmith0123, moved to mainspace on August 8

Moved to mainspace by 123chess456 (talk). Nominated by 123chess456 (talk) at 23:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC).

  • I see some problems from the outset.
  • Hook not cited - We need a reliable secondary source that makes the same claim.
  • "The Wikipedia article, Inspirational fiction, mentions..." - Wikipedia should never be cited as a reference.
  • "Visionary Fiction Alliance" - Does this source meet WP:RS? It appears to be a blog. The same is true for the blogspot and wordpress sources...
  • "Hal Zina Bennett" - Sections like the one on Hal Zina Bennett rely much too heavily on primary sources. If we describe Bennett as a "Visionary Fiction pioneer" we need a more objective source than halzinabennett.com.
  • Footnote 17 - FN17 is malformed so that it gives a stray "<"
  • "To find Visionary Fiction listed in Amazon’s Categories" - It's not very encyclopedic to point out how to purchase things from Amazon unless the article is on the topic of Amazon or unless it's to illustrate a deeper point. See WP:NOTADVERTISING.
  • "On-line Presence" - This may be OK. I don't know the topic very well, but are these VF institutions recognized by reliable sources outside of the niche? In other words are the Visionary Fiction Alliance, the Coalition of Visionary Resources, Fiction for a New Age, etc. more like fan and indie author pages or are they recognized by established literary organizations with clout?
Symbol possible vote.svg On the whole the article is long enough and interesting enough, but the hook must be sourced and the whole thing needs work before it's ready to showcase on the frontpage. -Thibbs (talk) 20:47, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
OK I've repaired the footnote 17 issue, and I was hoping I could fix the citing Wikipedia issue as well by going to the page listed and snagging the sources listed there, but I can't find the source of the quote at any of the sources listed so the problem still stands. Anyway this needs a lot of work still. -Thibbs (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 9[edit]

Léonard Autié, Jean-François Autié

The original Monsieur Léonard

  • ... that Marie Antoinette's hairdresser, Léonard Autié (pictured), invented the pouf? His brothers worked as Monsieur Léonard too.
  • Reviewed: I started the pages originally in 2012 but Robert Allen deserves all the credit for the recent work so this is not a self-nom.
  • Comment: The hook is perhaps overloaded but it seems good to work in both pages to make this a double DYK. The Léonard Autié page was recently expanded 5x from 583 chars of prose starting 5 Aug while Jean-François Autié was expanded from a redirect. I am a bit slow to nominate but my excuse is that I was busy as a volunteer at Wikimania so please excuse this delay.

Created/expanded by Robert.Allen (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 12:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting articles on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF. I excuse the delay. However, I would prefer two single nominations. IF you insist on a double, please word it as one hook with a question mark at the end, and give the name of the brother with an article. It's a bit confusing to have "brothers" linked to one person anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Comment: I would suggest not linking to his brother Jean-François Autié, since he's less interesting (and he's in the hatnote). The hook might say something like: " ... that Marie Antoinette's favorite hairdresser, Léonard Autié (pictured), not only invented the pouf, but also founded the Théâtre de Monsieur, the first permanent theatre in France to present Italian opera the year round?" His founding of the theatre is interesting (the reason I worked on the article), and the combination of hairdresser and opera entrepreneur is unusual. --Robert.Allen (talk) 21:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Good idea. Please, as I can't review a hook I write, YOU word it as short as you can, preceded by ALT1: --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Hooks should not be longer than 200 characters and Robert's draft is a bit longer than that. It's good if they leave a lot unsaid as an element of mystery encourages the reader to click through to the article and clicks are the measure of success of a DYK. Also, I still don't think we should forget about his brother. Perhaps we can have a pair of parallel hooks which are displayed together:
Andrew (talk) 07:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions which I renumbered. I prefer the first. (Many tried to escape the guillotine.) (No idea what we can do about the brother, a reviewed article. Perhaps ask at WT:DYK?) - We need a reference right behind the fact of the founding of the theatre. Assuming that will come, how about forgetting about the pouf, I had to look it up, which detracts attention from the subject. If I am the only one, let's get it back. I would like to see the "favourite hairdresser" (mentioned in the lead) sourced in the body, and say something like
ALT2: ... that Léonard Autié (pictured) was Marie Antoinette's hairdresser and founded the Théâtre de Monsieur? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I have reverted the alt numbering as 1a and 1b are intended as a pair to be presented together rather than as competing alternatives. I consider the pouf to be better as a hook element than the theatre as it seems more unusual and entertaining. If readers do not immediately understand exactly what a pouf is then so much the better - an element of mystery is also good in a hook. Andrew (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I am a bit confused because a never heard about a pair, but now understand that it is about the two people. Sorry that I missed it. As you wish, tweaked ALT1b because I don't expect the two hooks to appear in the same set (please use a similar wording in the article as ALT2b about the flight):
ALT2b: ... that Jean-François Autié was one of three brothers who worked as Marie Antoinette's hairdresser Monsieur Léonard and fled Paris to escape the guillotine?
Symbol voting keep.svg ALT1a AND ALT2b, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg While I'm fine with hook ALT1a, the ALT2b reads as if all three brothers were Monsieur Léonard and all fled Paris to escape the guillotine. The problem with this is that there is nothing in the Jean-François article to indicate that all three did flee; only his flight is mentioned, and the third brother isn't mentioned in either article regarding a flight. Suggest a slight change, which Gerda can approve:
  • ALT3b: ... that Jean-François Autié was one of three brothers who worked as Marie Antoinette's hairdresser Monsieur Léonard, and he fled Paris to escape the guillotine? BlueMoonset (talk) 23:25, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg ALT3b, thank you for improving, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Another thing which should be made clear for set preparers.... There are now two separate hooks – ALT1a and ALT3b – for two articles, right? If they go into different sets, make sure you use only the correct credit templates for each hook, and if you don't move them both to prep at the same time, don't close this nomination, but leave a note explaining which hook has been used and which is still pending. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 09:39, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg ALT1a and ALT3b, one to be used after the other, as explained above. Sorry about the wrong icon, a mistake in copying and not checking.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Note to promoters: these two approved hooks should go into separate sets, so as Mandarax says, please don't close the nomination after the first promotion—indeed, it may be safest to strike the promoted hook at that point, so it can't be promoted a second time. (Close the nomination in the usual way when promoting the remaining hook.) And be sure to use the correct DYKmake/DYKnom pair with each hook. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Gemma J

  • ... that Gemma J is one half of twins?

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 10:26, 9 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment: Would you like to replace the bare link in the references with a {{cite web}} template? Disambiguation page found in the ref (This Morning), and "self-reference" (WP:SELF, referencing existing articles in Wikipedia) should be avoided. Adding more references instead of directly citing an article might be better. Kou Dou 12:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I am not using any articles as references. The presence of dates makes it clear I am referring to a specific episode of that show. I believe that is common practice.--Launchballer 16:11, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Gemma J has a twin sister? ("Half of twins" sounds kind of... bloody or something.) EEng (talk) 20:45, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
A very good point that. So that you can approve it:
I don't think that's a good idea, but I summon my two favorite reviewers, Belle and Martinevans123. EEng (talk) 00:10, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't know where the Fred to my Ginger (Tarzan to my Jane? Gabrielle to my Xena?) is, but I'll start without him:
...that Gemma J has two hands? Twin is about as exciting. Are UK Factor and X Factor different programmes or is that just a typo? If it is a typo then:
ALT3... that after appearing on The X Factor by herself, Gemma J appeared on it again in a group, but was too busy touring with another group to attend bootcamp? Belle (talk) 15:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
ALT2 ...that there are three ALT2s? EEng (talk) 15:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Gabrielle, not Joxer. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
ALT2 ...that there are still three ALT2s? Belle (talk) 16:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
As of now the ALT2s are triplets, of which two are identical and one fraternal. EEng (talk) 18:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Twins are rare, so I thought it'd make a good hook. But at the same time, I also thought I'd hammered out all uses of "UK Factor" - apparently not. Trouble with that hook, it's too long and unpunchy.
I thought the fact that she was too busy with another group to turn up with the first group was what made it interesting, but your ALT is more interesting than the twin thing (Twins aren't that rare; I'm one; I often blame my evil twin for the bad things I do she does; my mum says I'm not a twin, but how else can you explain it?) Belle (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm only trying to hurry things up because you can't approve your own hooks.
ALT5: ... that Gemma J auditioned for The X Factor individually and got to judges' houses, and as part of a group but couldn't make it to bootcamp?--Launchballer 13:17, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
"Got to the judges' houses?" Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Nope - got to Judges' houses. It's a proper noun (I think).--Launchballer 22:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is labeled as a stub and reads like one, for all it's technically just barely long enough (1526 prose characters): one-and two-sentence paragraphs containing factoids that don't fit together in a coherent encyclopedic narrative. The article has only a single reliable second source (the Maidenhead Advertiser article about the then-upcoming Eurovision contest finals); the first four sources are from the pre-expansion article, and of those the eurodkj source is a one-woman unreliable source creation and discogs is also unreliable. The final five sources are all Wikipedia pages, and by definition unreliable. (Even if you can cite episodes for events—use the "cite episode" template for individual television episodes if that's the case, not a Wikipedia article ref—the events you're citing aren't notable unless they're covered in reliable secondary sources.) I have tagged the article with a notability template; if you'd prefer, I can nominate it at AfD, and expect to do so unless significant information in the article is backed up soon by such sources. Whatever "judges' houses" means, it needs to be explained for people unfamiliar with the show so they understand how far in the process she got, or you could just say she was eliminated in the Nth round. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I've removed/replaced the unreliable sources in the lede, but again I'm not using any Wikipedia articles as sources - merely the episodes. Gemma passes WP:MUSICBIO#C2 and so would likely be kept at AfD.--Launchballer 07:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The hitparade.ch site is as problematic as discogs when considering the information there that is posted by any users that want to without editorial supervision, such as her full name (which is being cited here). Since the musicbio criteria say "may be notable", given the fact that there's only one secondary source, I'm less sure it would survive than you. I will be nominating it; so we'll see what happens. (It still reads like a stub, so even if it survives AfD you'll need to improve it if you want it to pass DYK.) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 10[edit]

Local marketing agreement

Improved to Good Article status by ViperSnake151 (talk). Self nominated at 23:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Can you please quote the passage from the article supporting the hook? I can't find it. Is there any way to breathe some life into this -- something about diversity of media voices or something? EEng (talk) 03:47, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
The hook needs to be found in the article in reasonably compact form, with an immediate cite. If an obvious text search won't find it in the article, please quote it here. Of the hooks so far I'd take Alt1, but that's IMO. EEng (talk) 05:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
I would prefer the shutdown one, but this may work too. ViperSnake151  Talk  03:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hooks are set. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 11[edit]

Transfiguration of our Lord Parish Church (Cavinti)

Cavinti Church

  • ... that the Cavinti Church was built on the site where the image of El Salvador was found by the two Puhawan brothers of Lumban in the early 1600s?

Created/expanded by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 23:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg too short at present. It has 1200 characters and it nneds at least 1500 characters. Its a really interesting location so do make it a bit bigger. Victuallers (talk) 09:09, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
(alt)... that the Transfiguration of our Lord Parish Church was built where an image of Christ was found in the Philippines?
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I have added to its length so someone else needs to review Victuallers (talk) 11:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Both hooks rely on a single unreliable source. Beyond that, the nom was seven days after the article was moved into mainspace. The article was expanded fivefold, is long enough, and is within policy. Both hooks meet length requirements and repeat something mentioned in the article and the source material. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I personally don't think that both source is unreliable since this source is the official website of the Local Government Unit of Cavinti. I would like to propose an ALT
ALT2:... that the first stone church of Cavinti built in 1621 was severely damaged by a Chinese uprising? Carlojoseph14 (talk) 14:49, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


Welcome to the Jungle (Neon Jungle album)

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 08:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article has had its prose portion expanded at least fivefold and is long enough. However, almost the entire prose portion of the article consists of quotations of non-free text, which may be a close paraphrasing issue. Also, the first section ("Singles") is not cited by an inline source. Another issue is the presence of a Controversy section, which is generally prohibited by the neutral point-of-view policy. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 05:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
The singles were there when I got there. All I've done is taken them out as they are already present in the infobox and other places. As for the Controversy section, it is now called "Cover versions". What does the article look like without the quotations?--Launchballer 07:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Since the emphasis at DYK is on new and original content, an article that is almost entirely taken from other sources is not appropriate. Either paraphrase or trim some of quotes or add more content so the quotes don't take up as much space. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 12:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Blockquotes have been placed where appropriate, and the prose character count now in the mid-1300s, below the minimum required. Breaking up the quotes into more chunks won't make them less unoriginal; proper paraphrasing is the way to go, as it reduces the number of characters quoted. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I've paraphrased the first quote slightly as I feel that information on the two highlights should adjoin each other, and the third quote I've paraphrased as well.--Launchballer 14:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 12[edit]

Life Is a Minestrone

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 00:31, 12 August 2014 (UTC).

Symbol question.svgGenerally, this looks good to me - length, hook etc. My only query is about the tone - e.g. saying the band "did not have the balls" to release the single. Is this a quote or paraphrase? If not, it doesn't sound very neutral. Dwab3 (talk) 08:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

It is neither, it's common parlance where I live and given how late it was I must not have been watching what I was typing. Fixed.--Launchballer 11:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
It would seem you have balls on your mind a lot, Launchballer. EEng (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Certainly. That is a transcript of a BBC Radio Wales interview, which is certainly a reliable source. As I can't find the audio interview, I am happy to assume good faith on the transcription.--Launchballer 11:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Changed reticence --> reluctance since the former means a hesitation to speak or be frank. EEng (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

TV's 50 Greatest Stars

5x expanded by Acather96 (talk). Self nominated at 14:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Text in lists or tables doesn't count towards the DYK length/expansion criteria (don't ask me, I'm just parroting the rules) Belle (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I think an argument could be made that the pre-expansion version, with a numbered list, would only count as having the intro's 186 prose characters qualify (being not in said list), so a 5x expansion would come to under 1000 characters, thus leaving the 1500 minimum as the relevant requirement. At the moment, the article's intro has 1016 prose characters, so another 500 characters or so there would be sufficient for this to qualify for DYK in the length department. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Whilst the rule about text in lists or tables not counting towards the expansion criteria seems bizzare, I have now expanded the lead to the degree where it meets the 1500b size. Does the article qualify now @Belle:/@BlueMoonset:? Thank-you. :) Acather96 (click here to contact me) 16:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Acather96, I'm afraid I missed your ping. It appears that Belle copyedited the lead shortly after the above post, and while it may have exceeded 1500 before the edits, there are now only 1418 prose characters according to DYKcheck. I'm afraid it doesn't yet qualify. (The intro does mention that the public were allowed to nominate additional stars not on the list; did any of them actually make the top 50, or even come close? Information on this could add the necessary prose, if available.) BlueMoonset (talk) 05:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 13[edit]

Michael Sherard

Created by Libby norman (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 21:32, 19 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment I think the first hook is punchier, but is there any connection between the coronation and the company? Or is this term simply a different way to say "in the early 1950s"? If there is a connection I think we should have it in the hook, if there isn't, then I strongly suggest it shouldn't be in the hook. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


  • ... that "war and peace" was the motto of the 2014 German folk festival Bardentreffen?
  • Comment: Hook see Franken TV link

Created by Serten (talk). Self nominated at 12:57, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment: de:Krieg und Frieden is the german title of the tolstoi novel War and Peace AND was the motto of the festival 2014, so one might to use the hook with capitals or not, provided the pun is intended. I leave that to you. Serten (talk) 15:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

The Making of the English Landscape

  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 21:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Almost everything is in order except that there are two entire sections with no in-text citations at all, specifically "Editions" and "Illustrations"; without a citation, "and so apparently the work of Hoskins himself." sounds like OR. ViperSnake151  Talk  02:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. For plot summaries the source is assumed to be the book itself (see also Wikipedia:DYK Supplementary guidelines, D2: inline citations not required for plot summary.) I think the "Illustrations" section qualifies as plot summary, but not sure about the "Editions" section, I agree with you that this section should be cited. Though the article has recently been subject to GA review, and I assume that the GA criteria for verifiability and no original research have been checked in the process. The ALT1 hook looks fine to me. Oceanh (talk) 12:22, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Review needed. EEng (talk) 02:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Jonas Wood

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 15:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Shouldn't it be "transcended"? Cbl62 (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment I am struggling with this article. Is this person somehow famous, or at least notable? It seems to be, because he appears to be mentioned in a number of notable sources. So why do I have no idea why he's notable? Transcending art movements? Who doesn't do that? Surely there is something less ephemeral that Wood is known for? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:39, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Come Over (Clean Bandit song)

  • Comment: Not sure if this is within the ten day period, but I found an extra source at the last minute and DYK check says expansion began on the 3rd August. It is now the 13th.

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 13:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 14[edit]

Louder (Neon Jungle song)

  • ... that "Louder" by Neon Jungle features the four girls singing in a giant metallic dome?

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 09:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC).

Cultural competence in health care

  • ... that in the United States, some physicians are required to obtain cultural competency training?
  • Reviewed: Gerald Westbury
  • Comment: I know this submission is a day late but I recently moved and had no internet (that's my excuse). Also, this page was created as a GLAM/Rutgers project, so the article creator was Wkinforocks and I am assisting as the Wikipedian-in-Residence.

Created by Wkinforocks (talk) and Staticshakedown (talk). Nominated by Staticshakedown (talk) at 14:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC).

Measures of gender equality

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nominated at 10:17, 14 August 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 15[edit]

Nowhere Men (comics)

  • ... that Nowhere Men is about four scientists who revolutionized culture with science, based off of how The Beatles revolutionized our culture with music?
  • ALT1:... that Nowhere Men is a comic based on the premise that "Science is the new Rock-N-Roll"?
  • ALT2:... that the British Invasion was the biggest inspiration for Nowhere Men, a comic about scientists?
  • Comment: It's currently up for deletion, but there's plenty of proof against the AfD reasoning now.

5x expanded by Supernerd11 (talk), AddWittyNameHere (talk). Nominated by Supernerd11 (talk) at 01:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Too closely involved to review, but as to the hooks: main proposed hook could probably use some tightening up, though a specific suggestion eludes me for now. I do have an alternative wording for ALT1:
  • ALT1.1:... that in Nowhere Men, "Science is the new Rock-N-Roll"? AddWittyNameHere (talk) 02:34, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT1.1.1: ... that in the comic Nowhere Men, "Science is the new Rock-N-Roll"? (ALT1.1 didn't really say anything about what it is/what it's about.) Supernerd11 Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 03:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Note: Someone has moved the article to Nowhere Men (comics). Going to refrain from further moving it to Nowhere Men, where it really should go, until the AfD has closed, so as to avoid creating unnecessary confusion. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed; AfD closed as Keep a couple of weeks ago. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article was new in July but has been expanded five-fold since August 15th. It is new enough and long enough. Going with ALT1.1.1 which is well sourced. There do not seem to be any copyright or other issues with this article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:56, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

John Crook (classicist)

  • ... that John Crook tried to get his colleagues to sing "Waltzing Matilda" in Latin, with the chorus for swag of "ambiclitella! ambiclitella!"?
  • Reviewed: not a self-nom
  • Comment: bit late, was muddled about the dates - sorry

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC).

The Pheasantry

The Pheasantry

  • ... that a resident of the The Pheasantry supposedly gave their pet rabbit acid and dyed it bright green so that it "committed suicide" by leaping from the roof?

Created by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC).

San Bartolome Apostol Parish Church (Nagcarlan)

Nagcarlan Church

  • ... that the Nagcarlan Church (pictured) was first built from light materials in 1583 under the chaplaincy of Franciscan missionary Rev. Fr. Tomas de Miranda who also pioneered the cultivation of wheat in the country?

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 23:54, 22 August 2014 (UTC).

Cathedral Parish of Saint Paul the First Hermit

San Pablo Cathedral

Created/expanded by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 23:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg There is no inline citation for the hook fact nor can I find it in any of the referenced sites. I suggest
  • ALT1 ... that San Pablo Cathedral (pictured) was a parish church prior to a new diocese being established in 1966? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:13, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. (Finished making the appropriate template updates to reflect the article move; struck original hook per Cwmhiraeth.) BlueMoonset (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Betty Go-Belmonte

Betty Go-Belmonte

Created/expanded by Lawrence ruiz (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 23:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Article has a lot of issues. It has insufficient citations tag and neutrality tag. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 09:37, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Article is fully referenced. And newspapers are not primary sources. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

San Sebastian Parish Church (Lumban)

Lumban Church

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 23:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC).

Dispatch (sternwheeler)

Created by Mtsmallwood (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 14:56, 22 August 2014 (UTC).

Lausanne-Flon station

  • ... that Lausanne-Flon station, the hub of the metro system in the Swiss city of Lausanne, has been rebuilt four times since it opened in 1877, and was the subject of a 1988 design competition?
  • ALT1:... that Lausanne-Flon station was rebuilt for the start of LEB services in 2000 after a design competition held in 1988?

5x expanded by Peeky44 (talk). Nominated by Nick (talk) at 16:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC).

Newest building of Lausanne-Flon station

  • On re-examination, I think it needs a picture. I would suggest File:Leflon Lausanne.jpg and a revised hook which reads

Alliance for Peace and Democracy (Hong Kong)

Created by Dps04 (talk). Nominated by Skr15081997 (talk) at 13:24, 20 August 2014 (UTC).

Marian Lutosławski

Marian Lutosławski

  • ... that the Polish inventor and bridge designer Marian Lutosławski (pictured) was executed by the Bolsheviks several days before his show trial on drummed up charges was supposed to take place?

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nominated at 22:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

  • The article is new and long enough. QPQ done. Symbol question.svg The nationality of this person is described in the infobox and in the first sentence of the article as Polish. In the first sentence Polish is wikilinked to Poland. If Poland did not exist until the end of 1918 this person could not have Polish nationality. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
You brought up an interesting point, because denying anyone their nationality due to foreign occupation of their homeland is against almost everything we do here in Wikipedia probably. For example, a Greek born under the Nazi occupation of Greece could also be categorized as German-born even if he never spoke German. Ultimately, nationality of notable people is defined not by the politics, but by the language and culture they identify themselves with. Poeticbent talk 15:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was not occupied but partitioned. You obviously refer to nationality as an alternate word for ethnicity. If that is so, it would be good to clarify it in the text of the article. With the current text of the article readers could be mislead to believe that this man was Polish citizen who lived in Poland which did not exist during his lifetime. Also, per WP:OPENPARAGRAPH, "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.".--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
How about a simple WP:Duck test. If Lutosławski along with his entire family spoke Polish, wrote in Polish, and helped in the struggle for the return of Poland's sovereignty, who was he? Poeticbent talk 16:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
How about a simple Post Office test. A post office building was built in Sarajevo in 1913 in Bosnia and Herzegovina annexed by Austria Hungary. At the beginning of the Yugoslav Wars somebody wrote "This is Serbia!" on the wall of the post office. Very soon this inscription was strike trough and somebody wrote, "This is Bosnia!". After some time somebody wrote: "This is post office!" To answer to your Duck test question: Marian Lutosławski was a mechanical engineer.
Here is a summary of issues with this nomination:
  1. Misleading and inaccurate links to Poland (which did not exist during his lifetime) and Partitions of Poland:
    1. Link to Poland in the first sentence: If it refers to his citizenship, it is wrong and can mislead readers to believe that Poland existed, although Poland did not exist during his lifetime. If it refers to his ethnicity, it should be wikilinked to Poles, but not in the first sentence because it would violate WP:OPENPARAGRAPH. He was notable for being mechanical engineer, not because of his ethnicity.
    2. Link to Poland in the infobox: it is wikilinked within Nationality parameter. Template:Infobox person says for Nationality parameter: "Should only be used with citizenship when they somehow differ."
    3. Partitions of Poland assertion in the first sentence: It is inacurate. Lutosławski was born after Poland was already partitioned, not during Partitions of Poland.
  2. Hook issues:
    1. The hook says that Bolsheviks executed Lutosławski. The text of the article says that Lutosławski was arrested by the Bolsheviks (which is not supported by cited source), without specifying who executed him.
    2. The hook describes his planned trial as show trial which is unsupported by the source used to support this assertion (link).
  3. Source interpretation issues:
    1. The sources used to support Bolshevik arresting assertion do not mention Bolsheviks (link 1 and link 2).
    2. The article describes charges against Lutosławski as drummed up. The cited source does not support this assertion (link).
Symbol question.svg It is necessary to resolve above identified issues (or at least most serious ones) before this nomination is approved. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I believe I was able to solve points Antidiskriminator raises above in point 1 (ethnicity, nationality and country where he was born) with my edits. Antidiskriminator is right on the account that his ethnicity should be emphasized, not nationality.
Nr. 2 and Nr. 3 (hook and source interpretation): Nothing to solve here: Hook and source interpretations are fine and supported (Sutsky: who clearly says how the Bolsheviks arrested and executed prior to trial, see p3). Antidiskriminator, please don't harass the other editors without reading sources well. --Ustallaretevjeter (talk) 16:16, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Ustallaretevjeter was created today only, possibly to comment on this template. — Maile (talk) 19:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Ustallaretevjeter misinterpreted my position. I did not say "that his ethnicity should be emphasized". On the contrary. I explained that referring to his ethnicity in the first sentence "would violate WP:OPENPARAGRAPH. He was notable for being mechanical engineer, not because of his ethnicity". I did not object presenting his nationality. I just explained that it was not Poland because it did not exist during his lifetime.
  • Maybe Lutosławski was indeed both arrested and executed by the Bolsheviks, but I think that presented sources do not directly support those assertions. If they do, it should be easy to present the quote that support this assertion. If they don't but that is what has really happened, it should be easy to present additional sources which support it and fulfill one of the criteria which request that "hook fact is accurate and cited with an inline citation in the article". --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:00, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Ping User:Poeticbent, User:Antidiskriminator: I hope my recent edits [3] help. I added sources for missing claims, with the exception of the "drummed up" charges. Lutoslawski's brothers were engaged in what could be indeed described as counter-revolutionary activities (as in, supporting the idea of independent Poland rather than a communist one). I cannot find any refs supporting the link to show trial; that said, I think WP:DUCK is clear that he was Polish through I have no issue with MoS arguments about linking/delinking the word Polish. Please note that the term partitions is often used to refer not only to the 18th century events but the entire period of History of Poland (1795-1918). I propose the ALT1 below. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Piotrus.
WP:DUCK was not necessary here because it does not apply to article content and because the issue was not his ethnicity (I don't insist on strict following WP:OPENPARAGRAPH here) but the claim that he was from country that did not exist during his lifetime. Thanks for clarifying this. The Alt1 hook is not too long (182 characters). The most serious issues are resolved. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
@Antidiskriminator: Can you clarify what remains? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:53, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • What remained was violation of WP:OPENPARAGRAPH which says "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." I did not want to insist on it and approved this nomination.
  • Now after I approved this nomination I noticed that Poeticbent again edit warred (diff) to add foreign Partitions of Poland into the first sentence.Symbol question.svg I think that article now does not fulfill dyk criteria because it does not meet core policies and guidelines (after recent edit war I think it now seriously violate WP:OPENPARAGRAPH). If I am not wrong, this position was more or less supported by three different editors with only Poeticbent against it. Therefore I will withdraw my approval until requests of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies (WP:OPENPARAGRAPH) are met. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 08:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg QPQ review needed. Hostile commentaries from above, with no relation to QPQ requirements, include errors in the understanding of the history of Poland under partitions which erased the country from the map of Europe and ended with the restoration of Poland's full independence in 1918 after 123 years,[4] [5] [6] the year Lutosławski died. Other hostile commentaries unrelated to QPQ guidelines include false reading of WP:OPENPARA. Lutosławski was a member of the patriotic Polish szlachta family relevant to the subject's notability through extrajudicial killing by the Bolsheviks mentioned in the hook. Poeticbent talk 12:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

(Poeticbent asked me to take a look at this nom) This is much ado about nothing. If the sources describe him as Polish then he was Polish for our purposes, regardless of the geopolitical situation in his lifetime or nitpicking about post office addresses. His ethnicity is obviously important as it was part of the reason he was executed, so there's no problem with WP:OPENPARA here. In fact at least of the three examples given under WP:OPENPARA doe mention nationality or ethnicity ("last member of the Macedonian Ptolemaic dynasty", "was an Italian scholar, poet, and humanist", "was an American farm worker, labor leader, and civil rights activist" - in at least two of these examples the nationality/ethnicity is much more relevant than here). There's also nothing wrong in saying he was born in one of the partitions of Poland.

The article's fine, the nom is fine and both proposed hooks are fine. Jeez, we have sloppy, boring, messed up articles appear at DYK all the time and someone's making a big deal out of this? Seriously?  Volunteer Marek  12:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

The issue here is not that Lutosławski belonged to Poles, as ethnic group. I approved this nomination with first sentence stating that he belong to Poles (diff). I think that replacing his actual citizenship (based on the incorrect argument) to link Poland which did not exist during whole of his lifetime (diff) is what contradicts WP:OPENPARA. Poland is now linked both in the infobox and in the first sentence although it did not even exist during whole of his lifetime. That is what is incorrect, misleading and contrary to WP:OPENPARA.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Jason Rezaian

  • ... that Iranian authorities have not disclosed the whereabouts, welfare, or reason for the detention of Washington Post Tehran correspondent Jason Rezaian and his wife?

Created by Plot Spoiler (talk). Self nominated at 21:17, 15 August 2014 (UTC).

Mendelsohn house

The central hall

Created by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nominated at 11:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, length, hook all OK. Hook confirmed by online citations in German; AGF. Article neutral, well referenced. I am unable to comment on copyvio. Photograph is in PD, but there is no reference to it in the hook (and IMO the alternative photo of the exterior would be better in this context). I also think that in the title "House" should have an upper case "H", as in the rest of the article. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I have added an (interior pictured) to the hook, sorry for that. I prefer the interior view as more catchy, but it's certainly not essential. I have also moved the article to M. House. HerkusMonte (talk) 15:59, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
ALT sounds better and provides more info. HerkusMonte (talk) 17:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg Uses un-neutral language, also lacks important citations. One sentence implies that cemetery was destroyed due to anti-semitism in Poland, but there in source for that.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Molobo's response is actually just a reaction to my latest WP:ANI report dealing with his disruptive editing on a completely different topic.[7] Every single sentence in this article is based on sources and, as Peter I. Vardy already emphasized, written in a perfectly neutral tone. Especially the destruction of the cemetery after the anti-semitic campaign in Poland of 1968 is clearly backed by the source (Michele Stavagna, page 3:" Damals wurde das Gebäude vom Staatsarchiv genutzt, nachdem der Friedhof als Folge der antisemitischen Hetzjagd im März 1968 zerstört worden war." Transl.: At that time the building was used by the state archive after the cemetery had been destroyed as a result of anti-semitic coursing in March 1968) HerkusMonte (talk) 09:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. If there is a source why wasn't it provided and attributed to German publication about Poland that alleges so? And statements that a foundation like Borussia is "unbiased" aren't neutral at all. In fact they point out to serious POV problems, since it implies other research is biased.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

The sources were provided at the end of each paragraph, as usual. You also seem to misunderatnd WP:NPOV. We should present what reliable sources say. Borussia was founded in 1990 because some people in Olsztyn were tired of all that propaganda and lies they were told throughout more than 40 years. I know you disagree with them, but that's completely unimportant. How are the aims of Borussia described by reliable sources? If you know any RS claiming they praised traditional Recovered territories stuff, feel free to add it. HerkusMonte (talk) 17:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Once somebody starts posting about "lies and propaganda" instead of addressing issues that brings up a very big red light regarding neutrality.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 13:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
You might discuss that with one of the "Borussia" founders. Our job is to mirror what reliable sources say and "unbiased research" is how reliable sources describe the aim of "Borussia". It's not a matter of neutrality just because you don't like it. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 16[edit]

East India Arms

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nominated at 03:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The hook is referenced by two sources, the owner's of the pub (so not an independent website, not usable for claims about themselves if controversial), and a City of London pdf, a good source, written by people who should knwo their stuff: but sadly, that second source claims "[...] the Magpie Ale House which stood on the corner of Fenchurch Street by 1645 - likely to be the same location sa the present day East India Arms Public House". So not only is it only "likely" the same site, but the source never claims 1630, but 1645. Fram (talk) 14:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd actually be willing to pull that one if you want, as I translated this from the German article after running into it after Wikimania, so it would be no loss if you think that should be pulled. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:19, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Walter Wu

  • ... that blind three-time paralympian Walter Wu was a torchbearer for the 2010 Olympic Games after his retirement in 2004?

Created by TheQ Editor (talk). Self nominated at 21:59, 19 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Did a light copyedit of hook. EEng (talk) 23:21, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Jovan Albanez, Serbian Hussar Regiment

Created by Antidiskriminator (talk). Self nominated at 13:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Hook, Article, and Other are all fine. --Ustallaretevjeter (talk) 16:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

    • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Symbol question.svg The review needs more details, in accordance with. DYK review instructions please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed. Details that are supposed to be checked in a review can be found at DYKReviewing guide — Maile (talk) 19:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Heath Town

  • ... that two of Heath Town's three railway stations are now closed?

5x expanded by ChristineHowles (talk). Nominated by Pigsonthewing (talk) at 16:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Really makes me want to click on the article! Hooks are supposed to be interesting. INTERESTING! This one's a challenge, though
... that Heath Town's former Wolverhampton Low Level Railway Station is now a wedding and conference venue?
Best I could do. EEng (talk) 23:28, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Gun politics in the Czech Republic

CZ 75 is the most common firearm in the Czech Republic

Got to GA level by Cimmerian praetor (talk). Self nominated at 21:23, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

Azúcar amarga

  • ... that a scene in the film Azúcar Amarga showing people deliberately infecting themselves with HIV to protest against the Cuban government is based on actual events?

5x expanded by Freikorp (talk). Self nominated at 06:34, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

Turn Me On (Kim Kyu-jong EP)

... that Kim Kyu-jong's debut EP Turn Me On contains photos of himself looking like a transvestite rather than his initial plan as a woman?

5x expanded by 001Jrm (talk). Self nominated at 06:13, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

People are sensitive about the exact words used for this sort of thing. Here's another possibility:

  • ALT1: ... that Kim Kyu-jong dressed as a woman for photographs included in his debut EP Turn Me On, but later said he was disappointed that he did not look pretty?

Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 20:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't know that those words are sensitive to some as I'm not affected. Anyways, the alternate is good too, though the first one attracts more attention IMO. Either way, I'm ok with it. :) 001Jrm (talk) 03:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I put a strike through the first lead. I think we need to take care not to offend anyone and I think the first one definitely goes over the line. Secondly, if we did do a lead like this, we need to attribute the source. Who said he looked like a transvestite/not pretty? Did he say it himself? A journalist? Otherwise, it's original research. Also, I'm having trouble finding that hook in the article. I saw the part about "turn me on", but nothing about pictures, transvestites, or the like. Maybe my eyes are just crossing and I'm overlooking it (it's happened before), can you point me to it? Edit: Doh! I was looking at his article, not the turn it on article. NVM Bali88 (talk) 19:35, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm glad you saw the hook in the article. Just to clarify, the term "transvestite" was mentioned by him here. The news was translated from a Korean site, but since I'm not a Korean myself and the news was from 2011, I can only depend on the English sites in this case. I'm also okay with the second hook since I don't want to offend anyone either. Thank you :) 001Jrm (talk) 02:39, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not crazy about the second hook, but it'll work if we can't find anything else. Transvestite is now considered to be a derogatory term. I'm quite certain he probably didn't mean it to be derogatory when he said it, but that's how it was translated, so we're kind of stuck with it. I'd like to put something about his motives in the hook, but again, the translation...it's kind of vague so I'm not really sure how to paraphrase that either. Hmm...I'll see if I can find someone who speaks Korean. Maybe they can look at it. Bali88 (talk) 04:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry for the late response... Thanks a lot for taking your time to look for a Korean-speaking person and putting an effort for the hook. I appreciate your help so much! I'll just wait for your news then, and we'll decide whether to use the second hook or not later on. Good luck! :) 001Jrm (talk) 05:16, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
No luck so far! I know plenty of people who speak arabic, chinese, and Japanese, but no Koreans yet! Bali88 (talk) 13:29, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Samsung Galaxy Alpha

Created by ViperSnake151 (talk). Self nominated at 03:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment Look, I'm sorry, but a hook about how a cell phone, on actual release, didn't completely match rumored specs? Wow. I think we also need to think about DYK acting as an unwitting buzz generator for a new product (the lower-than-anticipated screen resolution notwithstanding.) EEng (talk) 03:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Just my opinion but yes, I think ALT2 would be better. EEng (talk) 04:13, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Uggg, so boring. I'm voting 2, but it seems we should get some punchier ones. How about "disappointingly low-resolution screen" but "the most luxurious feeling Galaxy" Maury Markowitz (talk) 10:20 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)

Angola Avante

  • ... that "Angola Avante", the national anthem of Angola, has been classified by Ivan Hewett as one of many contemporary national anthems that convey "a more martial tone" inspired by "La Marseillaise"?

5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self nominated at 02:20, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 17[edit]

Len Ford

Len Ford from 1948 Michiganensian

Improved to Good Article status by Cbl62 (talk), Wizardman (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 04:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Ya know, just in case, like, he has family still alive that might read this or something, might we not say something more tasteful like his 'life was "decimated" by alcohol'? EEng (talk) 05:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I hear ya. He has been dead for 42 years, so there's no BLP issue, and the quote comes directly from one of Ford's close friends. I think "wino" is hookier, but if folks think it's insensitive, I'm ok with changing it. In my own defense, my more limited notion of sensitivity led me to avoid using the part of the quote about "stumbling around in alleys". Cbl62 (talk) 05:37, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
That makes you a hooker with a heart of gold. EEng (talk) 06:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
In hopes that EEng might promote me from hooker to courtesan, I propose the following alternative. Cbl62 (talk) 06:25, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
"Courteous courtesan" is the best I can come up with. EEng (talk) 07:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I would leave the alcohol thing out of it. To me, it violates the guideline regarding placing undue emphasis on negative aspects of a person. He's done a lot of really amazing stuff, focusing on his alcohol addiction just doesn't sit well with me. How about some great achievements on the field? You could even do the fact about his wife being the first African-American to serve as a judge in Michigan. Cpuser20 (talk) 17:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I hear you, Cpuser20, but here are my thoughts. The alt 1 hook already notes that the guy had remarkable accomplishments on the football field; otherwise, he would not have been inducted into the Hall of Fame. What strikes me as most hooky and interesting is that someone who had reached such heights had his life completely fall apart when his career ended. Your alt 2 hook doesn't work because he didn't hold the record at the time of his retirement. See here showing that Waterfield held the record with 23 fumble recoveries when Ford retired. And as for alt 3, the hook isn't even about Ford (and they were already divorced by the time she became a judge). Cbl62 (talk) 18:15, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Other editors can weigh in, I'm certainly not the last word on this, but I'm just uncomfortable with that being on the front page of wikipedia. To me it feels unduly negative and if I was a surviving loved one, I'd be very hurt by it. My suggestion to you would be to propose a couple of alternate hooks for when someone reviews your nomination. That way, if they feel the way I do, they're already in place and you won't want to wait that extra time getting them approved. Cpuser20 (talk) 13:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I have to say I agree, though I'm not sure I can rationally explain why I'm saying this here but not (necessarily) on other perhaps comparable noms. I think it's a combination of the recency in time + the fact that he never was a true "public figure" like a politician or even NFL-level player. How about a hook that just gives his remarkable accomplishments as a player, and let the reader learn the sad coda when they read the article -- ALT3? (And now I see from ALT2 that there was an ex-wife, and that tells me for sure this "sad" stuff should stay off MP.) EEng (talk) 05:12, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Uh, he was an "NFL-level player." He was an All-Pro several times, a very public figure, and he died more than 40 years ago. We have featured hooks about people who have done far worse things than have a problem with alcohol. Millions of people do, and I really don't think it's so shameful that, 40-plus years later, we still need to "hide" the fact. This isn't the 1950s after all. Cbl62 (talk) 05:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. Shows my ignorance of football. EEng (talk) 16:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I continue to believe the alt 1 hook is fine and that the hypersensitivity to a person who has been dead for > 40 years suffering from alcoholism is unwarranted, but we could go with something standard and non-hooky, along the lines suggested, like:

  • I suspect we could do better. Is there really nothing else interesting about the guy aside from the fact that he was an alcoholic? I don't know the stats on this, but isn't this kind of a common thing among ex-NFL players? A result of all their injuries and all that? Bali88 (talk) 03:00, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

KMG Ethiopia

  • ... that through "community conversations", KMG Ethiopia organization helped reduce local support for female genital mutilation from 97% to 3% in less than a decade?
  • ALT1:... that the founder and executive director of KMG Ethiopia is credited with almost single-handedly eradicating the practice of female genital mutilation in Ethiopia?
  • Reviewed: Parliamentary War Memorial

Created by Moonriddengirl (talk). Self nominated at 12:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC). Referencing the Lancet adds force (and I don't think we need "Executive Director" -- overheavy):

  • ALT2:... that The Lancet credits KMG Ethiopia's founder with "almost single-handedly" eradicating female genital mutilation in Ethiopia?

EEng (talk) 04:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC) P.S. I wonder if there's some human rights / women's right day this can be saved for...

I'd go with Sep. 11th, as the 19th Amendment is really a US thing. EEng (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Works for me. I'm not sure that most people will get the significance, though, unless we do something to mark it out on the main page. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I just looked to see if the New Year could somehow be an On This Day but offhand I don't see it. EEng (talk) 14:19, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, and hopefully right away if this is to stand a chance of appearing on September 11. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Mostafa Salameh

Mostafa Salameh raising seven fingers on completion of the last of the Seven Summits

Created by Ruba.atallah (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 09:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Does the photo show him being robbed at gunpoint? EEng (talk) 04:32, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah, it's not a good image choice unfortunately. It's low enough resolution that cropping won't help either. If it were high-resolution I might suggest cropping it to head-and-shoulders. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 04:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Your point of view. Cropped, it would really look like someone at gunpoint. It shows his mentioned achievement and raises curiosity, - about the best a small DYK image can do, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • It does nothing of the sort. A head-and-shoulders crop would actually demonstrate the person's face and features. At 100px the current image is a stick figure with both hands raised on a blue background. It raises confusion rather than curiosity. Either a different image or no image would be better. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 05:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Children! Children! Do not quarrel! Let me do a crop and then we can all decide together, OK? EEng (talk) 07:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
* Hi all this picture was taken on top of Carstensz Pyramid, (4,884 meters / 16,023 feet) the highest point in the Australia/Oceana continent, Mostafa Salameh is raising his fingers indicating the completion of the Seven Summits.I thought the caption beneath is clear.Ruba.atallah (talk) 15:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Original photo DO NOT USE THIS PHOTO

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I've substituted a cropped image (just for the DYK hook -- no change in img used in article). This makes his "V for victory" (or "7 for 7 summits", I guess) and the background snow-capped peaks more apparent. Also, now you can see he's smiling, though of course that could be a nervous smile like I always get when a gun's pointed at me. (Also changed the rollover text -- all subject to the approval of my esteemed fellow editors, of course.) EEng (talk) 21:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I like the crop, but here's the problem: I just noticed that the source of the image doesn't provide a CC-BY-SA release as claimed by the uploader. I've tagged the images accordingly. There needs to be an OTRS contact. Sorry to make trouble. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 03:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, we are VERY disappointed in you! Unless this is fixed soon we'll have to drop the img (including in the article itself since we can't run an article at DYK with a known copyright problem). EEng (talk) 03:52, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have looked. I only nominated, and know little about pic licenses. Will ask. Is Philg88,who brought the article to my attention, aware of this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi EEng thank you for your interest, I will follow up on the issue of the photo, noting that I did all what was required from me, but it seems there was something missing as this is my first experience with Wikipedia. RegardsRuba.atallah (talk) 05:47, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh dear! Sorry Gerda. Before moving the article to main space I checked the pic in the media viewer and it showed it was licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0, which I accepted in good faith. I had no idea there was a problem with it.  Philg88 talk 06:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Pleased to report the image issue is cleared up, so review needed. EEng (talk) 02:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Article was created under "Articles for creation" and is new enough and long enough. The cropped image is appropriately licensed but the hook is unsatisfactory in that the source does not state that Mostafa Salameh was the first Jordanian to complete the seven summits. Reference #8 does make that statement, and also covers the KHCC claim, but I think it is not an independent source. How about:
  • I would like at least Jordanian (was really surprised to learn that there are Jordanian mounteneers at all), and I like the charity + cancer aspect much more than the comparison to a number of people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
The trouble with the "first Jordanian" and "charity" claims is that, as far as I can see, they are only referenced to Mostafa Salameh's own website and to an interview he gave to the Arab Irish journal. I think more reliable, third party sources are needed for these claims. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:06, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 19[edit]

Our Lady of Guadalupe Parish Church (Pagsanjan)

Pagsanjan Church

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 19:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Long enough, within policy, good hook, not nominated by creator, etc.; AGF on offline sources. Good to go. —innotata 10:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I removed all the close paraphrasing and added some online refs to verify the information. I would appreciate the page creator reviewing his offline source for the paragraph under Features to make sure there is no close paraphrasing there. A cite is also needed in the paragraph under In Popular Culture, per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I reviewed the said section (Features) and tried my best not to have any close paraphrasing. Added citation on the section In popular section and the line on the lead paragraph, and the oldest church in the Philippines under the patronship of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Thanks. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 03:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The citation that you added to the lead is a Commons image as well as a primary ref, so I made it an image instead. For DYK purposes, this is a start-class article and therefore doesn't need a cite on every sentence, especially in the lead, so I removed the cite. I don't find any mention of filming taking place in the side chapel in the source you added to In Popular Culture. Yoninah (talk) 09:31, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • In my own opinion, the marker for the decree of erection is not a primary source since the marker retells that the church was the first church established under the advocacy of the Our Lady of Guadalupe and is not written by persons directly involved in the establishment of the church but later by church official hundred of years later after collecting foundation dates of all church today under the same advocacy. The marker is the document available to the public. There is another paper document for the decree of erection under the custody of the church administration. So, technically, the marker is a duplicate of a document--Carlojoseph14 (talk) 11:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Removed the line about the side chapel to On Popular Culture section. Carlojoseph14 (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg If the marker is written by a church official and posted in the church, it is considered a primary source. Please read WP:PRIMARY. The way to get around this rule is to find independent sources that provide the same information. In the section On Popular Culture, thank you for amending the text to reflect the information in the source – but since the source talks about Pagsanjan and not the church, the information doesn't really belong in this article, so I deleted it. For the sources you have, you have produced a good "start" article, and for that, it's ready for the main page. Hook ref verified and cited inline. Image is pd. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:39, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Poro Point

  • ... that on 28 July 1903, U.S. Civil Governor William H. Taft declared the land surrounding the lighthouse in Poro Point at a protected reservation?

Created by RioHondo (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 19:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article created within the appropriate timeframe, and at 2,880 characters is large enough. I have major paraphrasing concerns as the phrase "Civil Governor William H. Taft issued Executive Order No. 06 declaring the land surrounding the lighthouse at a radius of 200 meters as a US reservation" in the article is lifted directly from the article sourcing it. – Muboshgu (talk)
  • Done paraphrasing the entire sentence. Thanks!--RioHondo (talk) 02:06, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi, I just added a supporting ref to source #7. Will rewrite those lines you cited. Thanks! --RioHondo (talk) 07:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

MBTA kickback schemes

Created by Hirolovesswords (talk). Self nominated at 23:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Changed MBTA --> Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority for those outside 100 mile radius of Boston. EEng (talk) 04:20, 21 August 2014 (UTC) Um, someone better check if they're over 200 limit now. Gotta run.

Lost on the River: The New Basement Tapes

  • Comment: Album is scheduled for release on November 11, 2014; it might be nice to feature this DYK on that date.

Created by Smallpink (talk). Nominated by WikiDan61 (talk) at 21:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment: That photo is no-go as it's fair use. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 04:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Oliver Evans

Oliver Evans (Engraving)

  • ... that Oliver Evans (pictured) designed the first fully automated industrial process?
  • ALT1:... that Oliver Evans' (pictured) automatic flour mill from the late 18th century is regarded as the first fully automated industrial process?
  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by Unus Multorum (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 18:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC).

  • I'm going to have to challenge a statement of "first fully [whatever]", in an area as broad as industrial processes, which is based on a source almost 60 years old. I think we need something including more recent research into the history of technology, which was a relatively new field at the time. EEng (talk) 21:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 20[edit]

The Fifteen Whispered Prayers (Munajat)

Created by Hadi.anani (talk). Nominated by Mhhossein (talk) at 05:47, 2 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough and long enough. However, it doesn't seem complete enough, even for a "start" article. Basically, the article says that Imam Sajjad wrote the prayers, they may be part of the Al-Sahifa al-Sajjadiyya collection, and there is a numbered list of the prayers. The Authenticity section is very sparse on facts, and the quotes from the scholars seem inconsequential. The Importance section doesn't seem to be talking about the importance of the prayers at all. I'm not sure why you put in that note; it is unsourced and hard to follow.
  • From a formatting point of view, I moved the page to The Fifteen Whispered Prayers, as this is the English Wikipedia. I put the Arabic name, Munajat, in the lead. Regarding the references, sources in Arabic or Farsi should be titled in their native language, and also dated. I inserted the formatting text; all you have to do is fill it in. No QPQ needed for non-self-nomination. Yoninah (talk) 23:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Sampaloc Church

St. Anthony Shrine

Created by Urbanroamer (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 22:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article date, length and the image used are OK. However, it has a very few inline references which must be addressed before it passed the DYK nomination. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 09:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Rule D2 calls for a minimum of one citation per paragraph to qualify for DYK. Only paragraphs 2 and 5 under History lack any citation at all. Yoninah (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series

Moved to mainspace by Favre1fan93 (talk). Self nominated at 02:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC).


5x expanded by ViperSnake151 (talk). Self nominated at 20:01, 20 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Not a 5x expansion at this time: This revision has ~3100 characters, while the current one has ~9400. You'd have to get it up to about 15,500 for it to be eligible. See DYK rule 1b. If you can expand it further I'll give it a full review. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 21:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Actually, since it's 5x in seven days, the baseline would be 2637 prose characters from the final August 6 edit (from the latest revision over seven days before the nomination was submitted). The current 9294 prose characters is well shy of the 13,185 required for 5x, but 5x is well below 15.5K mentioned above. (DYKcheck was used to determine the 2637 and 9294 numbers.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 21[edit]

Aserradora Mecanica de Tuason y Sampedro

Created by Charles Boris Manez (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 17:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new (with regards to date of nomination) and long enough. Before it passed DYK nomination, the issue on the empty section must be resolved first. Article contains a very few inline citations. I think suggest another ALT hook that is more interesting than the suggested hook. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 09:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Nuestra Señora de Candelaria Parish Church (Mabitac)

Mabitac Church

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 17:42, 28 August 2014 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg QPQ bye, DKYcheck, newness, hook and cites all pass. Good to go as-is. However, if I may be so bold...
No problem, I think it is more interesting. :) Carlojoseph14 (talk) 03:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


  • ... that the reliable ARQ-M communications protocol on shortwave radio allowed Telex messages to be sent internationally?

Moved to mainspace by Graeme Bartlett (talk). Self nominated at 10:47, 24 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Strongly prefer the first of the two hooks because it tells us what it actually is, but that statement does not appear in the article in that form. There is a ref with a name that basically says that, but that needs to be in the article somewhere. But I'm more concerned about the article itself, which strikes me as disorganized. The LEDE doesn't really say clearly what ARQ-M is, it talks about how it does whatever it is. It generally needs some cleanup, which I'm perfectly willing to help with. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Major cleanup complete, but still need a hook that's directly supported. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I have expanded on the use for TELEX in the History section. PS the Moore1960 reference is at [9]. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Juan Karlos Labajo

Created by 001Jrm (talk). Nominated by PapaJeckloy (talk) at 11:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

001Jrm (talk) 05:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

ironically is not an appropriate word in an encyclopedic content, and the people don't need to know if he's half german or not, be straight to the point -PAPAJECKLOY (hearthrob! kiss me! <3) (talk) 08:32, 25 August 2014 (UTC).
To the future non-involved reviewer: I'm sorry that our (me and the other editor) disagreements will be dragged here. I tried talking with him/her through his/her talk page but there was no consensus. I was willing to compromise with him/her if s/he talked things through with me, but it never happened. As for the hook, I can and I'm willing to explain why I added the hook, but only after you commented on that. I believe that you will be fair with any decision that you will make, which we needed from the start. In the same way, I'll accept any criticisms/comments from you. I hope we'll have a better conversation here as a non-involved editor will be in between us (me and the other editor) now. Thank you! (edit: After much deliberation with myself, I will just add the nominator's name for contributing 0.2% text in the article (note: contributor, not creator) since I don't want to look like I'm being inconsiderate. Fighting over this is actually lame and I don't want to make this issue bigger. However, I still want to know who can be considered as a contributor in cases like ours. I want to at least give credit to others if something like this happens again in the future. Thank you!)
To the nominator: As much as possible, please refrain yourself from editing this page unless it's really needed. Respect others to comment here first especially that you're the nominator.
001Jrm (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Please stop arguing with each other, the disagreements between you and him really don't help this nomination, this article is new and long enough, created on Aug 21 and nominated within seven day period on Aug 23, the article is more than 1,500 readable prose. The article is well sourced, neutral and the hook is ok i prefer ALT3, this article is now ready for DYK. -EtitsNgKabayo (talk) 07:18, 29 August 2014 (UTC).
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg - Wait! Besides the really offensive username (Etits ng Kabayo is "Horse's penis" in Filipino), the "reviewer" have only edited this article is no way to prove that he is an experienced reviewer. Can someone review this article again? Thanks. -WayKurat (talk) 12:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • 001Jrm, do you want to continue with this nomination? We're happy to do so if you'd like. PapaJeckloy is no longer involved (I've removed his credit, as it seems undeserved based on what I can see of his article edits), as he has been indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia (and thus from DYK) for sockpuppeting—among other things, he attempted to pass this very nomination by using the EtitsNgKabayo account that he created. If any of his edits to this article were suboptimal, you might want to fix them. Further, if any of his hook suggestions are problematic, please feel free to strike them out, and you can propose other hooks if you want. Please let us know how you'd like to proceed. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
First of all, thank you for your much effort in taking care of the user's actions and behavior. I've seen the many discussion pages involving the user, and I'm happy to know your (you and the other editors') collaborative effort in fixing the problem. Anyways, I'm willing to continue the nomination. For the hooks... as much as I want to use my own hook here (which is ALT2: ... that half-German singer Juan Karlos Labajo ironically experienced collecting trash and bullying in his hometown despite his Caucasian look? ), I don't want to exclude the nominator's proposed hooks either. I'll just leave the choosing of the right hook for you or other reviewers. Thank you again! 001Jrm (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I've just edited the prose and references in the article, and adding and removing facts depending on whether they seemed to be supported by the available sources. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I have trouble with "ironically", which is not in the article and is rather subjective. I do have a couple of hook suggestions that I think work better than the ones PapaJeckloy suggested:
If this aren't interesting enough, I can try to create others, or you can if you'd rather. (If you want to specify that he's half-German, for example, you'd need also to mention half-Filipino, because that wouldn't be known either unless it's included.) BlueMoonset (talk) 00:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Both alt look good to me, though I'd probably prefer alt4. Concerning alt2, I honestly didn't notice my exclusion of JK's Filipino blood since I was focused on his Caucasian look. Adding both bloodlines will make the hook much longer, however, so excluding both is probably the better choice. I added the word "ironically" because of his statement: "Marami pong nag aakala na, ‘Uy mayaman yan!’ Dahil nga daw po sa mukha ko. Pero ‘di po nila alam, sa Cebu ang dami po naming utang, nangungupahan lang kami, palipat-lipat ng bahay," ("Many had thought I was rich because of my face. What they did not know was that my family was in big debt and we always moved from house to house.") Since his face made him look like a "rich" kid, I added the word "ironically" to emphasize the irony between the "rich face" and "collecting trash". That's my reason. In the same way, he also mentioned his mixed race the reason of bullying. Now that I think about it, bullying shouldn't have been included in my initial hook since ironically wouldn't fit that fact. IF my hook is still valid, I'll reword it into this: ALT6 ... that Juan Karlos Labajo ironically experienced collecting trash despite his rich look? Of course, the word "ironically" can still be removed if my reason is not enough. I also believe 'rich look' is not the right term but I can't think of any at this moment + Caucasian is probably the one that's making it subjective after all. It's not that I don't like your hooks, though. In the end, you will still be the last to decide. :) BTW, I already replied on my talk page concerning other stuff. Thank you! 001Jrm (talk) 06:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Charles Cryer Theatre, Secombe Theatre

The Secombe Theatre

  • Comment: Not a self-nomination.

Created by A P Monblat (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 19:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC).

HOP Ranch

Created by Dnforney (talk). Self nominated at 04:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Even before I look at the article, the hook is far too long at 240 characters.--Launchballer 19:42, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Not only that... the article doesn't say he "rediscovered" a "forgotten process", rather that the subject was on a "quest to identify soils that could be used to re-create a pottery glaze resembling that of Ming Dynasty works". That's quite different. EEng (talk) 02:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Look, I'm not trying to be difficult, but now that I look at the source, it says he "became intrigued with re-creating the lost matte glaze of the Chinese Ming Dynasty." It doesn't say he did it. And to be blunt, I'm not sure we should be adopting phrases like "international acclaim" for attempted recreation of the lost Ming process from New Falcon Herald, the "Local newspaper for Falcon, Calhan, Peyton, Black Forest and Stetson Hills." An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary sources. EEng (talk) 13:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
I have tried to address above comments. In particular I've completely re-worked the Van Briggle information to attribute it to the leading experts/authors books on Van Briggle and make the information far more specific. Hopefully it leaves no doubt that he in fact re-created, revived (or what have you) the old process having a breakthrough in 1901, later winning top awards in international exhibits in 1903, 1904. Thanks! dnforney (talk) 13:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 22[edit]

2014 Musab bin Umair mosque massacre

Scene after the massacre

  • Reviewed:

Created by Fotoriety (talk). Nominated by AndrewRT (talk) at 21:23, 27 August 2014 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg The hook is not supported in the article, the cite doesn't even really imply it. Suggest simple change:

Seinfeld: A XXX Parody

James Deen in 2010

Created/expanded by EditorE (talk). Self nominated at 13:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Ready for a review after I reworded the hook as ALT1. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Cross-border Terminal, Tijuana International Airport

Article created by Keizers (talk) mostly from material recently written by Rnieders (talk), but which has been added to the article Tijuana International Airport. Nominated by Keizers (talk) at 01:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Article - majority of it copied from another article, and not expanded fivefold as per policy. Interesting material, well sourced and long enough. No obvious copyvio. There is a problem with the Hook - although it is short enough and interesting, the sentence it refers to does not have an inline citation ending it, in the main article as per policy. -LookingYourBest (talk) 11:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I have requested help from a DYK admin on the first point of the review, as I realise the text was newly created, just in a different article. -LookingYourBest (talk) 11:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Interesting - I'd say as the text itself was new (created only hours before being shifted), then this is ok I would have thought as the text falls within the seven day period, so I personally would be happy to take the text as new. However I don't feel strongly and am happy to go with consensus. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I'll strike the first problem in that case as it's a very interesting article and subject. The Hook problem still stands, but I imagine this could be easily resolved. Thank you very much for looking in. -LookingYourBest (talk) 12:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Fixed source issue. Keizers (talk) 13:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Problems above resolved. Article looks good to go, although I am a new reviewer and would like a second opinion, and would appreciate any comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LookingYourBest (talkcontribs) 13:38, 18 September 2014‎ (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg By my count, eight of the History paragraphs are completely unsourced, and should have at least one inline source citation in each per DYK requirements. There are also some problems with the article not reflecting the current status of the terminal (which is under construction); for example, the second-to-last paragraph referring to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton—she isn't SoS now, though she was then—and "an expected groundbreaking in late 2013", which is now in the past. I realize this is in a History section, but that means you have to be especially careful with tenses and wording. Note to LookingYourBest: as I think you realized, the "passed" parameter at the top shouldn't be filled out by the reviewer, but by the person who ultimately promotes the nomination (who is always someone other than the reviewer). Thanks for reviewing! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

United States Navy systems commands

  • ... that six systems commands not only design, construct, and maintain the U. S. Navy's military hardware, but also include the chiefs of two of the Navy's eight staff corps?

Created by Antony-22 (talk). Self nominated at 18:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 23[edit]

One Commercial Street, Poor door

Created by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 14:09, 30 August 2014 (UTC).

I'm Going to Tell You a Secret

  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by IndianBio (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 00:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article improved to GA status on 23 August. QPQ is not required as this is not a self-nomination. Hook is within policy, but I'm concerned about the article in question being piped. Vensatry (ping) 18:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. Regarding piped article in hooks, this is quite normal in DYK. But if you are concerned about the piping, the hook can of course be reworded as ALT1 below:

Peruvian thick-knee

Peruvian thick-knee

  • ... that despite being fairly common, little is known of the breeding behaviour or diet of the Peruvian thick-knee (pictured)?

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 05:34, 29 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Article is new enough (5x expansion began August 23, 2014) and long enough (2434 characters prose). Appears to be neutral and sources are cited inline. No copyvio issues detected (online, AGF on offline/JSTOR-access-required source). Hook meets length/formatting requirements, and is cited inline in article. QPQ done. Image is free licensed (CC-BY-SA-3.0 / GNU), used in article, and looks fine to me in small size. I'll just note that source 2 should be marked with {{Es icon}}, but this DYK nomination appears to pass the requirements (marked as AGF due to offline source). - Evad37 [talk] 09:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

USA Women's 3x3 Teams

  • ... that despite having only two players in a three-on-three basketball game, the 2011 USA Women's U18 3x3 Team took a game to overtime, almost winning a medal?

Created by Sphilbrick (talk). Self nominated at 15:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Reviewed: Mack Horton
  • FYI, while the hook is about the 2011 team, this is timely; the 2014 event is in progress in Nanjing China.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - In no particular order; Should it really be "Team" in the article title? Or for that matter USA? Or "Women's"? I would think the correct title is "United States women's 3×3 teams" - Basement12 (T.C) 00:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment Any reason we can't mention "basketball" in the hook? I had no idea what 3x3 was. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:47, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Good point, and may illustrate my narrow world view :) I changed it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg DYKcheck passes, newness gets a bye, everything else checks out including inline on the hook. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Per DYK rules, there should be at least one citation per paragraph, which is not true of some paragraphs. Also, the article references "3x3", not "three on three" as in the hook. Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
The purpose of a cite is to allow readers to verify potentially questionable claims being made. This hook does not make any sort of claim to the effect of "3x3 is known as three on three". It is making a claim about a specific event that just happens to be in that sport. If you feel that this trivially verifiable point needs a cite, that would suggest that every acronym in every article ever DYKed would need one too. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Changed from "three on three" to "three-on-three" reflecting source. Added term to article, with a reference.
  • Added a See also to the general article on 3x3 (basketball)
  • Fixed a redlink
  • Added refs to ensure that each paragraph has a reference.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you, Sphilbrick, those are good changes. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Tafelberg School

* ... that Tafelberg School in Cape Town was originally established for white students?

* ALT1:... that Tafelberg School was first established in a building from 1899 and moved to a new location in 2010?
* ALT2:... that a psychiatrist at Tafelberg School estimated a third of its learners were on Ritalin?

Moved to mainspace by Nathan121212 (talk), Victuallers (talk) Afri Twin article created by HelenOnline (talk). Nominated by Nathan121212 (talk) at 17:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC).

 :) EEng (talk) 13:40, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Striking through other ALTS, this nomination is ready to be reviewed. Nathan121212 (talk) 13:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Note I have added Afri Twin by User:HelenOnline to this nomination. I hope I have adjusted this template accordingly. The following was suggested by HelenOnline:
  • ALT4: ... that Tafelberg School is one of over 250 schools in the United Kingdom and South Africa linked with overseas schools for mutual benefit via Afri Twin? Nathan121212 (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Note: I've fixed the new DYKmake credit, added a DYKnom, and the Afri Twin article history link is also now available. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:39, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Alfred Nossig

5x expanded by Futurist110 (talk). Self nominated at 02:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC).

I have now reviewed this DYK? nomination here -- Template:Did you know nominations/Legacy Mount Hood Medical Center. Futurist110 (talk) 02:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I myself personally like the ALT1 hook better than my original hook for this DYK? nomination. Futurist110 (talk) 02:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Right now, the article is only 815 characters long - much too short for DYK. However it appears that a large portion of the article was removed by an IP a few days ago without any explanation. I presume you'll want to re-add the deleted material, Futurist110? 97198 (talk) 04:32, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I have fixed this right now; I am presuming that this was simply a case of vandalism, considering that I don't think that any part of this article should have been erased. Futurist110 (talk) 05:34, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, adequately referenced. QPQ done. However, there is quite a bit of close paraphrasing. Perhaps the anonymous IP deleted all the copyvios from the YIVO source; there are also numerous instances of copy/pasting from the JVL source. For example:
  • Source: Nossig was in favor of Polish-Jewish assimilation and gravitated toward Polish romanticism, which inspired him in the early 1880s to formulate ideas about liberating Jewish culture from the constraints of tradition. He expressed these ideas in the periodical Ojczyzna (The Fatherland) and in an organization that he himself founded, called Przymierze Braci (Union of Brothers).
  • Article: In the early 1880s, Polish romanticism inspired Nossig to formulate ideas about liberating Jewish culture from the constraints of tradition, causing him to express these ideas in the periodical Ojczyzna (The Fatherland) and in an organization (which he himself founded) called Przymierze Braci (Union of Brothers).
  • Source: As a student at Lemberg University, Nossig was a pioneer in the field of Jewish demography; in 1884, he won a prize from the university senate for his essay “O ludności” (On Population). At the same time, he wrote theater reviews for Polish and Jewish newspapers. In 1888, he published his first collection of poems, Poezje, which won a competition in Warsaw.
  • Article: He was a pioneer in the field of Jewish demography during his time as a student at Lemberg University, winning a prize in 1884 from the university senate for his essay "O ludności" (On Population). During this time, Nossig also wrote theater reviews for Polish and Jewish newspapers, and in 1888, he published his first collection of poems, Poezje, which won a competition in Warsaw.
  • Source: Following his studies in Lemberg, Nossig pursued a doctorate in Zurich, concentrating on Spinoza.
  • Article: After his studies in Lemberg, Nossig pursued a doctorate in Zurich, Switzerland, concentrating on Spinoza.
  • Source: His interest in art ultimately took him to the Academy of Art in Vienna in 1892, to Paris in 1894, and to Berlin in 1900, where he lived until 1933.
  • Article: His interest in art took him to the Academy of Art in Vienna in 1892, to Paris in 1894, and to Berlin in 1900, where he lived until 1933
  • Source: In 1920, the Polish government invited Nossig to mediate between Jewish leaders and the new Polish government. He was unable, however, to establish trust between the sides.
  • Article: In 1920, he was invited by the Polish government to mediate and create trust between it and Polish Jewish leaders; however, Nossig was unsuccessful in this task.
  • While this is certainly a start-class article, I'd also like to note that it skims over his alleged allegiance with the Gestapo, and also skips his assignment to the Warsaw Judenrat, among other activities, which are covered in several of your sources. Yoninah (talk) 00:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Please let me try fixing the close paraphrasing within the next several days. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 24[edit]

David A. Randall

  • Reviewed: not a self-nom

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC).

Fred Gómez Carrasco

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 00:51, 30 August 2014 (UTC).

Conversations with an Executioner

Warsaw Ghetto

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nominated at 19:30, 27 August 2014 (UTC).

suggest alt2 Victuallers (talk) 20:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I like it a lot. Poeticbent talk 20:34, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Article is neutral and all paragraphs have cites. QPQ done. ALT2 hook ref AGF and cited inline. However, the image for ALT2 does not appear in the article. Yoninah (talk) 22:37, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, Yoninah, much appreciated. The image for ALT2 is a crop of the featured File:Stroop Report - Warsaw Ghetto Uprising 03.jpg. It was designed for DYK by Victuallers in order to appear legible on the front page in much reduced size. The full image is in the article's section Background. The close up like this has been done before – and with great success. Poeticbent talk 23:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Oh, I see. Yes, Victuallers cropped a picture for one of my more successful DYK noms, too. Image appears in article and is public domain. I deleted the other images from this template and moved the one you want into the formatting thread. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:03, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Charlotte Le Bon

Charlotte Le Bon

  • ... that Canadian actress Charlotte Le Bon (pictured) worked as a model for almost a decade in New York, Tokyo and Paris, but "really hated it"?

5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nominated at 12:04, 26 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough (expanded fivefold on 24 August), barely long enough (1,584 characters), fully referenced. Hook fine, verified against online source. QPQ done. Image liecenced on Commons with OTRS. Good to go! Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:06, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Equus (genus)

Equus species

  • ... that Equus (species pictured) is the only recognized extant genus in the horse family?
  • ALT1: ... that Equus (species pictured) is the only recognized extant genus in the family Equidae?
  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by LittleJerry (talk), Montanabw (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 19:30, 25 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg GA'ed recently enough. Neutral, no copyvio, close=paraphrasing, or plagiarism. QPQ not necessary. Picture is fine, but too indistinct at DYK size to make it useful (most of the single species shots in the article would be fine). Hook is fine, if not very hooky. Maybe an ALT:
ALT2 ... that the genus Equus probably originated in the Americas but was extinct there until the Conquistadors reintroduced it? Belle (talk) 13:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Belle, I agree that the original hook and its ALT1 are insufficiently hooky (and of the dread "that A is B?" form). I like your hook, which I've just renumbered ALT2, but I don't see the inline source citation for the initial part of it. It's unambiguously stated in the intro, where it isn't sourced, but I don't see the equivalent of "probably originated in the Americas" in the article body or where it's sourced. (The Conquistadors are clearly sourced.) The canadiangeographic.ca source (FN16) seems to be saying that Equus evolved in North America, but I might be misinterpreting what it's saying about Pilohippus→Dinohippus→Equus, and in any event the article needs an unambiguous statement if the hook is to be based on it. If this doesn't work out, perhaps a hook stating that Equus became extinct in the Americas about 12,000 years ago and remained that way until the Conquistadors did their thing? So far as I can see, both of these facts are sourced, and in close proximity. Montanabw, do you have any thoughts that might help regarding hooks or sourcing? BlueMoonset (talk) 03:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I propose ALT3 below to fix that problem:
  • ALT3 ... that the genus Equus became extinct in the Americas about 12,000 years ago and remained that way until the Conquistadors reintroduced it?

Symbol confirmed.svg ALT3 is fine (neither this or my ALT2 are as precise as the article, but we are trying to hook here, not recreate the article and I don't think any readers will be too upset that exact details aren't in the hook) Belle (talk) 23:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Dinoponera lucida head

  • ... that the fossil ant genus Archiponera is known from a single pair of fossils described in 1930?

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nominated at 22:05, 24 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg New, long enough. No plagiarism or close paraphrasing detected from the sources that I could access. AGF on offline source for the hook (and for the other sources I can't locate). QPQ met. I don't see how the ALT is that interesting, unless perhaps to people who already know what Dinoponera is, and the image isn't that relevant, so the main hook definitely should be used —innotata 02:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Sutton heritage mosaic

The Sutton heritage mosaic in Sutton High Street

  • ... that if you haven't got time to visit them, you can see all of Sutton's heritage sites on the Sutton heritage mosaic (pictured), one of the largest examples of wall art in Britain?

Created by A P Monblat (talk). Self nominated at 21:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article creation date and length are OK. Assuming good faith on one source, the other two are not plagiarized. The image is free and used in the article. QPQ was done. The only problem is the hook: you write about "all of Sutton`s heritage sites", in the article are mentioned the "main heritage sites", in the source there is no mention of sites, but only of "heritage buildings" plus other features. I think that here some more consistency with the source is needed. Alex2006 (talk) 17:27, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • You have a point. In retrospect the word "sites" was not the best choice of description. I've amended the article slightly in the lead, and propose a revised hook at ALT1. A P Monblat (talk) 19:28, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT1... that if you haven't got time to experience it first hand, you can see many aspects of Sutton's heritage and local history on the Sutton heritage mosaic (pictured), one of the largest examples of wall art in Britain?
  • Symbol question.svg Now is perfect, except the length (218 characters): you have to cut something, and go below 200, sorry... Alex2006 (talk) 14:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • How about ALT2... that you can see many aspects of Sutton's heritage and local history on the Sutton heritage mosaic (pictured), one of the largest examples of wall art in Britain? A P Monblat (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Very good! Good to go for ALT2, thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 07:08, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Paul Emile Diou

  • ... that Paul Emile Diou, described as a "shy and timid" subaltern, fell in battle at the head of his troops as a brigade commander in the First World War?

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self nominated at 12:49, 24 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article looks good. I'm tempted to approve. However, we really shouldn't have this many Red Wlink's. For example, the Wlink for 81st Infantry Regiment is repeated at least twice. Also, the hook needs to be cited. So the sentence that starts with "As a subaltern he was reportedly a "shy and timid character, but an energetic worker"..." needs to have a citation at the end. I'm also questioning the notability of this person. But for now, please have those first issues fixed. Étienne Dolet (talk) 17:34, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the duplicate 81st Regiment link, well spotted! I have left the others as they are all legitimate future articles in my opinion. I have added a ref to the hook sentence (it was covered by the one at the end of the next sentence but I know the DYK rule here). Make what you will of the notability issue, I think any general who commands a brigade, particularly in action, has a good chance of being notable enough - Dumelow (talk) 19:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg There's still duplicated red links. Please have them removed. Judging by the sources, I am not all convinced that this person is notable. The sources are primarily based off service records. I would like a secondary opinion on this before we move forward. I suggest finding more third-party sources on Diou. Cheers, Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:20, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the remaining duplicated link (to the 69th Regiment). If you are worried about notability please feel free to take to AFD if you want - Dumelow (talk) 14:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 25[edit]

Edgardo Gomez

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 00:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg One sentence from the sources I could access (the tophil.ph link was not live when I checked, and maybe not in the Wayback Machine, which isn't good) was too closely paraphrased: "He also contributed to the creation…" Bolinao isn't mentioned in the source provided. Instead it says he helped "reestablishment of giant clam stocks" in the coastal Philippines, which sounds more remarkable. Perhaps a more interesting hook would combine this with the fact that he's a National Scientist, which sounds impressive. If the copied sentence is rewritten and a better hook is submitted, this should meet the requirements, as new and long enough. —innotata 02:49, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Revised some points. Added some reference. He pioneered giant clam breeding in the Philippines for coastal communities. Its laboratories are located in Bolinao and other coastal areas. Revised that sentence.
ALT2: ... that National Scientist Edgardo Gomez pioneered giant clam breeding for coastal communities in the Philippines? --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 14:31, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg The sentence was still not great, but I rephrased it, also to clarify what it was talking about. I can't detect any further close paraphrasing in the article. It meets all the requirements, so it should be good to go. —innotata 00:56, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Our Lady of Candelaria Parish Church (Silang)

Silang Church

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 23:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC).

Max Harzof

  • ... that Max Harzof thought that honesty was rarer than intelligence?
  • Reviewed: not a self-nom

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:43, 1 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, well-referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed. Regarding the hook, I find the first one rather vague, considering that most readers will have never heard of him, and the second hook full of other links (Herman Melville, Moby Dick) that readers will probably click on instead of the main subject. (ALT1 is good, though; can we run it without those extra links?) I added some sources to the page to give an idea of his "larger than life" status; alternately, you may wish to use something from that, or from another source, that would focus the attention on him in a hook. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Gabriel Wells

  • ... that Gabriel Wells bought a book that took two years to inlay with 1,050 jewels, gave it to a passenger on the Titanic to bring to the US, but lost it when the ship sank?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk), Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC).

Five Nights at Freddy's

Created by ManicH6 (talk). Nominated by ViperSnake151 (talk) at 05:31, 27 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New (19th, a little over a week), long enough, neutral (though the part in the first section about fan speculation should be removed), no copyvio found via spot check, no QPQ as external nom. Hook appears to have an immediate ref in article in the lede (3b). Problem with the source though—first, it uses a name other than Yahoo in the ref. It also does not quite correlate "Let's Play" videos with increased sales, though I'm willing to be convinced on that. I also don't see an indication from the source that the game was a "weekly" best-seller. I don't know the article's time scope. And is the new Amazing Stories site a reliable source? I didn't see an editorial or quality assurance policy. Please ping me if I don't respond. czar  00:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Look in the markup and you'll see that's listed as an agency. But yeah, I think they're addressed. ViperSnake151  Talk  03:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Changes look good, but the hook does not reflect the article & source. It says the game became a best-seller after it was in Let's Play videos while the article and source do not correlate the two other than they happened at once. Also the source doesn't mention that the rankings were over the period of a week. czar  04:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't Ryulong and myself also be added for credit? I mean, i'm the one that added all the references and the entire critical reception section. Also, potential alt below. SilverserenC 15:29, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
  • TBH none of these read like particularly good bylines. Some things just do not look good on DYK.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:29, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Ozone depletion and global warming

  • ALT1: ... "that studies about ozone depletion and global warming tell us about the importance of managing ignorance and uncertainties of political decision making?"
  • Comment: Hooks either in Sheldon Ungar, it was actually the skin cancer removal on RRs nose and the hollywood affinities of the shield image that helped tio achieve the Momtreal protokol

Created by Serten (talk). Self nominated at 00:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Both the hooks and the article have serious comprehensibility problems, and maybe neutrality as well. EEng (talk) 05:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I apologize for the spelling errors I made here. An english native speaker was invited to look on the article and did some corrections. If you have specific issues, please clarify on the talk page. I fully agree that the hooks sound weird, thats the reason they are forwarded. The connections are however being made in a sociologists study about the topic (including RRs nose) and NOT being based on shabby newspapers. Serten (talk) 12:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC) PS.: As for a self nomination, I did a review of Early Lake Erie
* Some further corrections, including the hooks have been made. The incohembrisible parts of the science section are based on an elder article, not my contributions. Serten (talk) 19:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 26[edit]

Barton Currie

Officer 666

  • ... that Barton Currie wrote the comic novel Officer 666 (pictured), and a book about tractors?
  • Reviewed: not a self-nom

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC).

Nuestra Señora de los Angeles Parish Church (Santa Maria)

Santa Maria Church

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 09:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Date OK, but not long enough; I make it 1,181 characters (with spaces). It could do with an Architecture section. Also I could not get Ref 1 to work. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Mycocepurus castrator

Created by G S Palmer (talk). Self nominated at 22:59, 31 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, within policy, fifth DYK credit so no quid pro quo review requirement (from now on it'll apply to you). Checked pretty much all the article for close paraphrasing as I have access to the sources, didn't find any. Now, let me say that personally, I found this to be the most interesting DYK hook I've ever seen! That said, I am someone who might end up spending all their career studying speciation, but still, this should be of great general interest as well. Thank you for writing the article! —innotata 03:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Constantin Doncea

Created by Biruitorul (talk). Self nominated at 15:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC).

Commemorative stela of Nahr el-Kalb

Commemorative stela of Nahr el-Kalb

Created by Oncenawhile (talk). Self nominated at 05:54, 27 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Unlinking common words. Edwardx (talk) 15:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Neorion Harbour

The Neorion harbour (second inlet from bottom along the left side of Golden Horn), from Byzantium nunc Constantinopolis by Braun and Hogenberg, 1572

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self nominated at 04:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC).

  • The article is new. It was started a day prior to being nominated.
  • The article has not previously featured on the Main Page.
  • The article is long enough.
  • Citations are sufficient and drawn from reliable published sources.
  • The citations are to works that are offline. The works are by reputable scholars and published by trustworthy presses. I assume good faith.
  • No disputes surround the article.
  • I see nothing that might be construed as a BLP violation.
  • I assume good faith that there are no issues with plagiarism.
  • I see no neutrality issues, either. This is a straightforward account.
  • The article is not up for AfD.
  • Symbol voting keep.svg - Biruitorul Talk 14:53, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 27[edit]

Emmanuel Macron

Created by Sina (talk), Iselilja (talk), (talk). Nominated by Iselilja (talk) at 23:31, 3 September 2014 (UTC).

John Cowan (photographer)

Created by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:33, 3 September 2014 (UTC).

Hugh Bolton Jones

Summer in the Blue Ridge, 1874, by Hugh Bolton Jones 1874

  • ... that Hugh Bolton Jones's 1874 painting Summer in the Blue Ridge (pictured) was exhibited at the National Academy of Design and was highly praised?
  • Comment: Not a self-nom.

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 21:54, 27 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article's good length, neutral, properly sourced, no issues, although I think the lead needs to be longer (and well, I've never seen an article written in a style like this before, so many line breaks). Only problem is that the hook seems a little, well, bland. Think you could find a more interesting and hooky fact? It's just that a good artist is bound to have highly praised works by nature, so how about:
ALT 1: ... that Hugh Bolton Jones was best known for his paintings of the flat countrysides of New England and New Jersey?
ViperSnake151  Talk  02:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
  • @ViperSnake151 I expanded the lead a bit. (The line breaks are because I have poor vision and coordination and find it easier to rearrange sentences that start on new lines). I am fine with both hooks above. Other possibles would be ALT2 and ALT3 below: Aymatth2 (talk) 02:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
ALT 2: ... that Hugh Bolton Jones exhibited paintings such as Summer in the Blue Ridge (pictured) at the National Academy of Design for sixty years?
ALT 3: ... that Hugh Bolton Jones exhibited at the National Academy of Design for sixty years?

John Messinger

Created by Teemu08 (talk). Self nominated at 19:16, 27 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Following the review criteria here: Article creation date and length verified. The article is neutral and cites sources with inline citations. The sources are offline, so I take on good faith that it is free of close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations and plagiarism.

    The hook is very interesting and is cited in the article.

    Excellent work on the article!

    Cunard (talk) 22:02, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Pulled from prep because the hook statement in the article is unsourced. Gatoclass (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Gatoclass (talk · contribs), the hook statement in the article is sourced:

He represented Illinois when the state line with the Territory of Michigan was formed, now the state line with Wisconsin.[1][2]

  1. ^ Allen, John W. (1968). It Happened in Southern Illinois. Carbondale, IL: Southern Illinois University. pp. 22–23. 
  2. ^ Weber, Jessie Palmer, ed. (1920). The Centennial of the State of Illinois. Springfield, IL: Illinois State Journal Co. p. 339. 

Cunard (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

That's right, it only says he "represented Illinois" when the state line was formed, it doesn't say he personally set it. Gatoclass (talk) 13:52, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Would this rephrasing be acceptable? Teemu08 (talk) 18:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that John Messinger, the first Speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives, helped to set the state line between Illinois and Wisconsin?

Articles created/expanded on August 28[edit]

Lem (satellite), Heweliusz (satellite)

A replica of Heweliusz, similar to Lem

  • ... that Lem started his stellar observations before Heweliusz (pictured)?

Created by LukaszKatlewa (talk). Self nominated at 09:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC).

National Academy of Science and Technology

5x expanded by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Self nominated at 07:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC).

Chris Davis (baseball)

Chris Davis

  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 22:15, 28 August 2014 (UTC).

Thankyou for improving the hook. Striking the original. Oceanh (talk) 01:13, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Bellevue War, Thomas Cox (politician)

Created by Teemu08 (talk). Self nominated at 21:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC).

Jalmari Jaakkola

  • ... that historian Jalmari Jaakkola, who was criticized for overtly nationalist assertions and extensive speculation, chose the words "The seer of early Finnish history" for his memorial medal?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ford World Headquarters
  • Comment: The hook is interesting in my opinion because the historian was criticized for extensive speculation (or "using his imagination"), yet he chose to call himself a "seer" which can have a negative connotation as well. As such, his choice of words was considered to be fitting by his critics alike.

Created by Pudeo (talk). Self nominated at 18:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 29[edit]

Hans Heinrich XV

Hans Heinrich XV in 1916

  • ... that Hans Heinrich XV (pictured) was one of the wealthiest magnates at the time in Europe and his extravagant lifestyle coupled with political and family scandals were tasty morsels for the international press?

Created by Oliszydlowski (talk). Self nominated at 00:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article creation date and length are OK. The image is free and used in the article. These are the good news :-) Now let`s see the problems: the article has very few inline references, one among them (polish wikipedia) is not allowed by Wikipedia policy (Wikipedia is NOT a source for our articles), and the hook is not referenced in the text. Moreover, the article has no sources, and some work on the language would be also welcome. You did not do any QPQ (how many DYK do you have until now?) and, last but not least, the nomination has been placed at the wrong date. So, if you want that this article, whose subject I find very interesting indeed, passes the DYK review, you should still work on it. Alex2006 (talk) 18:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  • User appears to have one previous DKY, so he gets a bye. Assuming the removal of the one wiki-ref, that leaves six refs for a seven-para article, which isn't out of line. Maury Markowitz (talk)

Mason County Sculpture Trail

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk), 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by Doug Coldwell (talk) at 11:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC).

(ref can be found in inline reference of Ludington State Park section of "Community Cooperative" sculpture)

1978 Sikh-Nirankari clashes

Created by Vigyani (talk). Self nominated at 02:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC).

  • ALT1 is no good since it provides no context for the reader not familiar with Indian history. They won't know what Operation Blue Star was. The first suggestion is better, but some more context would be better there as well. Also, simply saying that 16 died doesn't hook very much. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
For ALT1: Thats why it is wiki linked, so that those interested can read about Operation Blue Star. It will be difficult to provide much context in less than 200 characters. I have seen plenty of hooks like this in DYK. For main: I am trying to find some alternative wording. --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 09:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I think Oiyarbepsy didn't mean to review this and was just giving his comments. So a review is needed here. --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 15:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Todd Lake (Oregon)

Todd Lake in central Oregon

  • Reviewed: Merriam's pocket mouse
  • Comment: Best source for hook is book by Elizabeth Horn (reference 13, used for in-line citation) which has 4 pages dedicated to Todd Lake wildflowers. Unfortunately, that source isn’t on-line. There are 3 other sources (reference 3, 12, and 14) that mention Todd Lake wildflower displays. There is also a Forest Service web-page that identifies Todd Lake as an official "Wildflower Viewing Areas for the Pacific Northwest Region", but it’s only a list so I didn’t use it as article source. However, that web-page links to reference 12.

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nominated at 02:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on August 30[edit]

Stewart Gray

Stewart Gray

  • Reviewed: not a self-nom

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment. The hook is fine but there may be a more compelling one once I add details of his political activities in the relevant section shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:59, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Kiswe Mobile

  • ... that Kiswe Mobile's app for the WNBA's Washington Mystics was the first where a U.S. professional sports team streamed live games to its local viewing area via a mobile application?

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nominated at 23:37, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

Enrique Zileri

  • ... that Enrique Zileri was praised by Nobel laureate Mario Vargas Llosa as an "indefatigable defender of freedom and democracy" who could not be bribed or intimidated?

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self nominated at 18:29, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

Martina Montelius

Martina Montelius photo

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self nominated at 21:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Article is not long enough at 1117 characters. Also, there is no QPQ. Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Done and done.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough (30 August). Now long enough at 1536 characters. Well padded. Fully referenced. QPQ done. Nice image. Licence verified. Hook verified. Good to go! Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:09, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Good catch, Skr15081997. Marking with new icon to cancel out previous approval until new QPQ is provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I have now reviewed Narrow-skulled pocket mouse instead. Thanks!--BabbaQ (talk) 16:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg QPQ done. But why is "X is the daughter of Y" interesting?
  • ALT1: ... that Swedish playwright Martina Montelius (pictured) hosted an episode of the popular radio show Sommar i P1 that was described as "controlled madness and seductive"? Yoninah (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg New hook verified. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:56, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Athena Farrokhzad

Athena Farrokhzad (2013)

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self nominated at 17:13, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough (30 August), long enough (2088 characters), fully referenced. Hook verified against online (Swedish) source. Image has an appropriate licence. QPQ done. Good to go! Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Is it just me, or does that hook desperately need to be reworded? I guess it needs either a possessive added (Athena Farrokhzad's) or the "of" removed. And Axén reacting to Farrokhzad by getting rid of his TV would make sense as a protest, but then he did it to stop paying the television license. It looks like the real reason was to protest the license fee, and it was merely prompted by Farrokhzad. Is that correct? MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 08:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Aaargh I remember now. I went to add an apostrophe-s but dithered over whether it should go before or after the (pictured) and wound up saving without changing. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:58, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Done.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:31, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Adding an apostrophe-s fixes it grammatically. But the hook still didn't seem logical to me, until I read about television licensing in Sweden. Is it that he didn't like what she said on the radio, so he got rid of his TV so he could stop paying the TV license fee, which also supports radio programming? If so, that's a little complicated and hard to express in 200 characters. But maybe it is just me. If it seems okay to others, go for it. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:46, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I think I will leave it up for the user who closes this DYK if the hook is OK or not. I am not sure myself, but I guess it is no big worry either.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:51, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, that sounds better. Thank you for your assistance.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:51, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I found a source in English which explained the licensing, so I've added a sentence to the article with that ref. The additional information which I included in ALT1 is now supported. It should be fine now, if Hawkeye7 or someone else would like to verify ALT1. (I've struck the original hook.) MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 22:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg Verified. Good to go with ALT1. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


  • ... that Twitterature has been called a literary genre, but is more accurately an adaptation of various genres to social media?

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self nominated at 16:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

Steinway Vertegrand

Sketch of a Steinway Vertegrand from a 1907 advert

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nominated at 12:11, 31 August 2014 (UTC).

Rona Fairhead

Rona Fairhead

Created by This is Paul (talk), Ilovetonga (talk), HJ Mitchell (talk). Nominated by HJ Mitchell (talk) at 00:36, 31 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article new enough (30 August 2014), (barely) long enough (1679 characters), fully referenced. Hook verified. No QPQ required because Harry is a newbie. Image licence verified on Flickr. Good to go! Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Apparently the appointment is subject to confirmation. I think it's just a formality, but probably best to wait for that before this goes onto DYK. Oh, and I'm not a newbie—this will be my 35th DYK, and accordingly I did a QPQ review. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I thought that was very strange, but the QPQ checker insisted. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Be careful to read the whole story, my friend! ;) There are still formalities to go through (though if she wasn't appointed at the end of it all, that would be notable in itself) like a grilling from a select committee. I'm in two minds as to whether to put it on DYK now and alter the hook or wait for the Queen's official confirmation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:02, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Mahanoy Creek

Mahanoy Creek

  • ... that areas in the upper part of the Mahanoy Creek (pictured) watershed have been described as resembling a moonscape?

Improved to Good Article status by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 23:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC).

  • Recently promoted to GA. Article is neutral and I detected no copyvio. Both hooks OK with citation at end of relevant sentences.
Symbol voting keep.svg I prefer the original hook. This should be confirmed by an online source, but I was unable to open it; but in any case AGF.
Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 confirmed by online citation.
--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Note to whoever promotes the article: can this picture be added to the hook please? --Jakob (talk) 15:32, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Agree. It was taken by the nominator and is free to use. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Added image to nomination. Yoninah (talk) 00:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The citation for the original hook fact is a dead link. Yoninah (talk) 21:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Fixed. If you still want to verify, look on the first page of the source given. --Jakob (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg That's better, thanks. Original hook fact verified and cited inline. Yoninah (talk) 20:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 31[edit]

B.T. Lalitha Naik

  • ... that Karnataka politician and former minister B.T. Lalitha Naik has written at least 16 books and acted in some movies and serials also?
  • Comment: I had done some editing after the article was created. I am not sure, if I should be adding my name for author2.

Created by Mohanbhan (talk). Nominated by Vigyani (talk) at 14:24, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

Market Basket protests

Created by Hirolovesswords (talk). Self nominated at 02:04, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

Sutton twin towns mural

Created by A P Monblat (talk). Self nominated at 13:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article creation date okay. Article length okay. Hook length is okay, but a little wordy – something shorter would be more mysterious. Neutrality is okay. But there is definitely a copyvio/close paraphrasing problem; if you look at the Borough of Sutton press release and this article side by side, it's clear that the second is a copy-and-slight-rearrangement of the first. If you find some more sources and intermix material derived from them in with what you have now, that usually goes a long way towards solving this kind of problem. And you really need more secondary sources anyway.

There are also some other issues with the article:

  • There are four twin towns and Sutton itself; that should be five paintings total, what are the other two?
  • "The others include the Sutton armillary and the Sutton heritage mosaic" is an aside, and would be better in the article body than in the lead.
  • "(a suburb of Copenhagen)" doesn't need parentheses - make your usage parallel to the others in this list.
  • The Gallery isn't very useful. Only the second photo adds much to the top one. Instead, would it be possible to get a detail close-up of one of the paintings?
  • The references need fuller formatting.
  • Category:Murals in London should be added.

Not all of these are requirements for DYK, but as a newcomer to WP, you should be encouraged to follow best practices from the start :-) But the copyvio/close paraphrasing problem is a disqualifier for now. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the trouble to look at this so thoroughly. I will work my way through your points, but it may take a day or two. The paraphrasing issue should be easy enough to deal with, even if I can't find many more sources. I agree a close up of one of paintings would be excellent; however, there are aren't any on Wikimedia Commons, although there is one in the Sutton Guardian article I sourced. I have so far found one more source from Flickr which clarifies about the towns - there are four plus one with a "friendship link". In the meantime, I propose below a couple of new shorter hooks which will be more intriguing (and hopefully get more hits!). ALT2 is probably the more intriguing and to that extent my favourite. A P Monblat (talk) 10:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I have now pretty much dealt with the pointers. The bits which were close the source's text I have now rewritten in my own words. I've added additional sources, and identified what the two smaller paintings portray: one is identified in the main source as Sutton's plant (beech); and the other (by looking at an enlargement of the photos) features a handshake. What do you think of the article now? A P Monblat (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
The gallery has been removed by another editor, and I have added back the best of the photos as a single image in the body of the article. A P Monblat (talk) 10:01, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg I don't think the article really makes clear what the seventh painting is. But the copyvio/close paraphrasing concerns are pretty much alleviated and most of the other article improvements have been made, so we are okay to go up. And I think ALT2 should be the one. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:30, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Promoted hook pulled from queue; article nominated at AfD. DYK nomination is now on hold until AfD concludes. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Achhe din anne wale hain

Narendra Modi

Created by Vigyani (talk). Self nominated at 16:04, 31 August 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 1[edit]

Development of Mother 3

"We're making Mother 3 for the GBA too! Dakota!"

Created by Czar (talk). Self nominated at 05:52, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

Pile (voice actress)


Created by Innotata (talk), ServanteDeFeu (talk). Nominated by Innotata (talk) at 21:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • It's new, it's long enough and within policy. The sources like ameblo, twitter, etc. worried me at first but I can see they're her own accounts and they're not used in an unduly self-serving way so they meet WP:PRIMARY. The hook is cited and stands at only 135 characters. And it's mildly interesting. Good job! -Thibbs (talk) 04:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
New YesY
Long enough YesY
Within policy YesY
<200 character hook YesY
Interesting, cited, neutral hook YesY
Image properly licensed YesY
  • Good to go! Symbol confirmed.svg
One tiny last word: Add the host source "Ameba" to footnote #2 so that it matches with footnote #17. -Thibbs (talk) 04:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Yep, and thanks for the review. —innotata 06:04, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
My pleasure. -Thibbs (talk) 12:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

University of Santo Tomas Baybayin Documents

Baybayin Documents

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 09:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC).

HMS Richmond helicopter crash

  • ... that Lieutenant Jenny Lewis, killed in a helicopter crash in 2002, was believed to be the first female Royal Navy pilot to die on duty?

Created by HJ Mitchell (talk). Self nominated at 21:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC).

  • AFD is closed, but there's a stink a brewin'. Not sure this is stable enough to review yet. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Yabacon Valley

  • Comment: Not a self-nomination. I know this is older than the usual timeframe, but I'm working the back of the new pages queue and this one just came up. This is worthy of recognition.

Created/expanded by Researchlegend (talk). Nominated by Oiyarbepsy (talk) at 03:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Unlinking Nigeria. Edwardx (talk) 23:58, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This article does not qualify for DYK at the moment because of its almost complete lack of inline citations. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 2[edit]

Tootie Perry, Edgar C. Jones, Goldy Golstein, Red Bethea, Larry Dupree, Charles Casey (American football), Vel Heckman

Photograph of Carl "Tootie" Perry, the Gators' "jolly captain" and "Dixie's greatest guard"

Created by Cbl62 (talk), Dirtlawyer1 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 19:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Note: The nom is a few hours late on Edgar C. Jones but timely on the others. I ask for a few hours leeway on Jones. I am working on the QPQs. Cbl62 (talk) 19:50, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Seven QPQs have now been done for this 7-part nom. Cbl62 (talk) 21:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I believe this is a reliable source. I will ping @Dirtlawyer1: for his input on this. Cbl62 (talk) 21:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
The "F Club" is the University of Florida Varsity Lettermen's Club, and it is the organization that maintains the University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame. As simple as the F Club list is, it is the official list of "Gator Greats." I have added secondary sources for the induction of Tootie Perry (1992 news article) and Larry Dupree (2014 obituary), but most of these guys were inducted into the HOF in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s, when it was much more low-key affair and news coverage of the Gators was sparse. Cbl already added a obituary footnote for Red Bethea's induction in 1986, and a news brief for Goldy Goldstein's induction in 1989. I am scouring the internet, but I may not find secondary sources for Jones, Heckman and Casey. The old newspaper searches are hit and miss, and I've often found HOF announcements by accident. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The articles are neutral, adequately sources, pass a copyvio check and are within general MOS guidelines.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • QPQs are done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The hook is adequately interesting. It would be tough to work all the articles into a single hook in any other way. Several of the articles may have more intriguing hook possibilities, but there isn't much else that can be done for a 7-way multi.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The hook is 316 characters. It might be worth paring down some of its flowery and wordy content.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Not sure what language it is that you consider to be "flowery and wordy." The rules specify that multis are not limited to 200 characters; 300 characters for a 7-part multi strike me as pretty efficient. Cbl62 (talk) 21:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Forgot to query BlueMoonset regarding leniency for the one article that was nearly a day late.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Unlike you fellas, I'm not a DYK regular, so pardon me if this is a dumb question. In a DYK blurb about seven members of the University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame, is there a reason why we are not linking to the Wikipedia article that lists all of its members? Can we only link to newly created articles? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:26, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
We could do that, but the goal is to draw page views to the newly created articles. The more articles that are linked in the hook, the greater the risk that page hits get diluted to the non-featured article. If you could respond to Tony's question above, that would be appreciated. Cbl62 (talk) 22:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Saints Row: Gat out of Hell

Created by MAinternational (talk). Nominated by Czar (talk) at 05:53, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

Kızıl Kilise

Kızıl Kilise

5x expanded by CeeGee (talk). Self nominated at 11:23, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Name, date, length, and hook check out, as well as close checks for paraphrasing. Good article! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 14:08, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article does unfortunately contain close paraphrasing: for example, compare "It was a stop for pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem" with the source's "The site was also a stop for pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem.", and the article's "the church served as an imperial, or funerary chapel" with the source's "the church served as an imperial, or funerary, chapel"—in the latter case, the article prefaces this with "It is assumed that", while the source cites not only evidence for this, but also says who owned the church. The article could also use a copyedit: I started one, but stopped when I found the copying in the Background section, as the removal of the hook from prep took priority. The Restoration section's first and third sentences are still problematic as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:14, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I've copyedited respecting the issues raised above. Pls re-check. Thanks. --CeeGee 18:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the copyedit. I'm going to ask Nikkimaria to do a general close paraphrasing check, since she is an expert. However, I have noticed some assumptions being made in the revisions, such as that the church was "situated on the pilgrims' way to Jerusalem", when it might instead have been considered a holy destination that pulled pilgrims off what would have been a more direct route to Jerusalem. The source doesn't say one way or the other, and the article shouldn't make claims not backed up by the source. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I agree that there is some too-close paraphrasing still evident here - compare for example "an octagonal base support the central dome, which is the most important architectural element of the church" with "central dome, supported by an octagonal base, is the most prominent architectural element of the church". Nikkimaria (talk) 02:51, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I've reworded further. I hope the a.m. issue is eliminated. Thanks again. --CeeGee 07:16, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm afraid it isn't - compare for example "harsh winters with extreme cold weather could be the reason for the abandonment of the church long time ago" with "Harsh winters and intense cold weather eventually led to the abandonment of the church long ago". You might find it helpful to go seek out a collaborator to help you rewrite this article. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, I wasn't here since September 14. So, I couldn't do anything against the a.m. claim. However, to my surprise, I see now that the DYK nom has been promoted anyhow, and I've been credited as well. In this case, this page needs to be archived I guess. --CeeGee 16:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • CeeGee, I'm afraid the hook wasn't promoted then; I had removed it from the prep area on September 12 (as noted above). However, when I did so I neglected to also remove the DYKmake template that causes notifications to be sent out. No one caught my error, so your talk page and the article's talk page falsely claimed that the hook had run. I've just removed both talk page messages, and offer you my profound apologies for the misleading messages.
That said, the article is still nominated and under review and should not be archived, and the close paraphrasing still needs to be dealt with. When you do so, the nomination can proceed. Please let us know. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:07, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Cistern of Aspar

Map of Byzantine Constantinople. The Cistern of Aspar is located in the northern part of the city, on the eastern slope of the fifth hill.

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self nominated at 06:03, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg It should be fine. I'm a first-time nominator. I can't check most of the sources, but nothing controversial. Sorry about the confusion. Name, date and hook are correct.zzz (talk) 17:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Given that this is a new DYK participant, and the criteria cited do not quite match what is standard, a new reviewer is requested to do a complete recheck. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Listed buildings in Port Sunlight

Houses in Port Sunlight

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 15:33, 2 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Long enough; new enough; neutral; no close-paraphrasing (there is a bit, but unavoidably so), copyvio, or plagiarism from the sources I could check; hook is in the article and cited; picture is OK (just another house picture, but quite a pretty one); QPQ done. Citations...honestly, it's like a citation bomb went off in there; references and co-ordinates and maps all over the place; I recommend giving Peter I. Vardy a medal for not going mad half way through (presuming that he didn't), probably the "Imperial Order of the Insanely Dogged Citer" if that's available (I'm saying it meets the criterion, I case you hadn't worked that out). Good to go. (I took Merseyside out of the hook, as I don't think it is necessary and it would be catering to a very small group) Belle (talk) 12:58, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 3[edit]

Buck Flowers

Georgia Tech football captain A. R. "Buck" Flowers c. 1920

  • ... that after College Football Hall of Fame inductee Buck Flowers (pictured) returned two punts for touchdowns, a writer suggested that the Auburn Tiger made a dying request: "Please omit Flowers"?

5x expanded by MisterCake (talk), Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 22:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

Barry Waterfront

Barry Waterfront

  • ... that the Barry Waterfront (pictured) redevelopment scheme has been one of the largest to be undertaken in the UK?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 15:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough. Long enough. There is a free online version of the first source (used for the hook) at [10]. QPQ done. NPOV. Well-referenced, including the good hook. Dup detector found no close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations or plagiarism. Image is suitably licensed for the front page. Edwardx (talk) 23:06, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

New England tree frog, Davies' tree frog

Davies' tree frog

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 11:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article New England tree frog is NOT new enough - it has not been expanded 5x or promoted to good article status within the past 10 days. It is long enough. I did not find any issues with the Davies' tree frog article. Dup detector does not show any significant issues with close paraphrasing, copyright violations or plagiarism for either article compared with their sources. Articles and hook are neutral and well-cited. Image is free and is used in the Davies' tree frog article. One remedy would be to remove the New England tree frog from the nomination. --Big_iron (talk) 12:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I think you are mistaken and will find that the New England tree frog was 351 B prior to my expansion on 3rd September and is now 2900 B, an approximately eight-fold expansion. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:36, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
You are right. It seems as if the DYK check script had a problem here. I withdraw my objection. --Big_iron (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Free Money Day

  • ... that each year, to mark the anniversary of the Lehmann Brothers collapse on September 15, citizens around the world hand out free money?
  • ALT1:... that activists around the world mark the anniversary of the Lehmann Brothers collapse on September 15 by handing out free money?
  • Comment: This is for an annual event, on September 15 - perhaps best to run close to that day?

Created/expanded by Chriswaterguy (talk). Self nominated at 13:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Too short at the moment (1202 characters when 1500 are required) Belle (talk) 01:04, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Preoperative care

Created/expanded by Bluerasberry (talk). Self nominated at 16:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC).

Russell L. Blaisdell

  • ... that Russell L. Blaisdell organized the evacuation of almost 1000 orphans from Seoul on 20 December 1950 in Operation Kiddy Car but received no official recognition for over 50 years?

Created by Mztourist (talk). Self nominated at 03:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new and long enough. No references at all are provided for the section "Early life and education", the last paragraphs of sections "USAF career", "Later life", "Post Korean War" and "Awards and honors". The section "Personal life" is without content and can be removed. "Duplication Detector" finds close paraphrasing with ref #2, #5 and #7. Please add refs and reword accordingly. Hook is interesting and its legth is within limits. Hook fact is not fully referenced, ıncluding "1000 orphans". Hook fact "official recognation" is not existent verbatim in the article as it is not clear whether the honorary doctorate was for that. No QPQ was done. I will approve the nomination as soon as the above problems have been resolved. --CeeGee 11:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the comments, I was interested to see what the DYK process entailed, but I have higher priority projects than trying to push this through DYK.Mztourist (talk) 03:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Jihadism and hip-hop

Deso Dogg, German rapper who later took the name Abou Maleeq and became a jihadist

  • ALT1:... that one jihadist hip-hop song includes the lyrics "Bomb by bomb, blast by blast, only going to bring back the glorious past"?
  • ALT2:... that Amir Khan has argued that what makes ISIL so dangerous is its ability to combine radical Islamism with gangsta rap culture?
  • ALT3:... that L Jinny, a jihadist rapper, once Tweeted a photo of himself holding a man's severed head with the caption "Chillin' with my homie or what's left of him"?

Created by FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk). Self nominated at 01:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Interesting. But this article needs some cleaning up first, FiredanceThroughTheNight. You're not mandated, I suppose, to clean up/complete the citation templates, but really, you should: include authors, dates, publications, etc. I removed an Amazon link: that mention in the article needs a secondary source. Writing a separate lead would be more than a little helpful. The second paragraph needs a citation at the end. You can probably say a bit more about Douglas McCain, who was an aspiring rapper (and I just added your article to the EL section there). These hooks aren't bad. ALT3 is a bit...well, gruesome, and I think it's the best one (but the Twitter and "homie" wikilinks need to be scrapped, IMO). Drmies (talk) 02:58, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 4[edit]

Endell Street

Endell Street Military Hospital c. 1915

  • Reviewed: not a self-nom

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:04, 11 September 2014 (UTC).


  • ... that despite a warning from one legislator "not to mix art and politics", Hong Kong's upcoming M+ museum of visual culture has acquired 26 works by artist-activist Ai Weiwei?

Created by Citobun (talk). Self nominated at 11:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC).

Piper Chapman, Crazy Eyes (character)

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 20:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

Knockeen Portal Tomb

Knockeen Dolmen

  • Reviewed: Minor White
  • Comment: Just a new article about a lovely big rock monument in ireland

Created by RTG (talk). Self nominated at 21:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment I would need some advice about hover text. The guides on alt text do not seem to cover it. ~ R.T.G 00:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @RTG: New enough, long enough, no copyvio. 3rd paragraph is uncited and there are places with promotional phrases like "most impressive megalith", "picturesque structure of international renown", and "interesting". If these are quotes from other sources, they should be put in quotes. --Jakob (talk) 20:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh it really is the most impressive one, it is almost four meters in height shadowing all of the others in the local region, and it does actually say "an impressive sight" on cite 4here, only I have used my own wording, (another quote, first sentence "Knockeen portal tomb in County Waterford is undoubtedly one of the finest examples of Dolmen in Ireland." and it really is, the picture looks cute, the stone itself is like the side of a house) and it is quoted as internationally renowned on the first sentence here, and for the interesting, "This capstone is of particular interest, having three distinct grooves/slots cut into its upper surface towards the SW facing side.", and he goes on to describe the different things the carvings might have been for and what ones look modern and so onhere The third paragraph was originally part of the fourth. I have now repeated the citation. ~ R.T.G 21:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)@Jakec: should leave you the note ~ R.T.G 22:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @RTG: the unreferenced paragraph is fixed now, but the phrases taken directly from sources should be in quotes. The sentence that contains a hook should also be immediately followed by a citation. --Jakob (talk) 14:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @Jakec:}The entire text is in my own words. None of this sources have statements of historical significance, vis a vis, none of them are quotable on individual statements. ~ R.T.G 14:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • QUOTE is about reproducing original wording, not individual words. ~ R.T.G 14:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • @RTG: The hook still needs to be directly cited. --Jakob (talk) 22:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Okay, let's go with ALT1. --Jakob (talk) 11:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yay! :P ~ R.T.G 11:24, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Sorry, saying that something is famous, isn't hooky. Yoninah (talk) 21:59, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Bill Walker (American politician)

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self nominated at 14:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

American paddlefish

American paddlefish, Polyodon spathula

  • ... that the planktivorous American paddlefish (pictured) is a primitive fish, and the only living species of its kind?
  • ALT1:... that the elongated rostrum of the planktivorous American paddlefish (pictured) is used like an antennae to locate swarms of zooplankton?
  • Reviewed: This is only my 2nd DYK nomination, so I'm not eligible to begin reviewing.

Improved to Good Article status by Atsme (talk). Self nominated at 04:10, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Please clarify the copyright status of this image. According to its file the author is Earthwave Society. There is no evidence that Earthwave Society has released the image with a wikipedia-compatible license. Materialscientist (talk) 04:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Earthwave Society granted blanket permission to Atsme under a CC BY-SA 3.0 [2] license, and submitted same in an email to permissions dated June 29, 2014. Permissions acknowledged the license, and offered to design a tag for my Commons site. Also, there is a CC BY-SA 3.0 license on the main page of the earthwave.org website that grants use of their images. AtsmeConsult 05:13, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Great, but this is not obvious to anyone visiting the image file. Please learn how to code links on wikipedia, and link File:Paddlefish underwater.jpeg to the permissions you mentioned above. Fix link to the Commons image, if exists (I couldn't find it, in a few second search). Materialscientist (talk) 05:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Raymond A. Thomas

Thomas' official portrait in January 2014.

Created by Dainomite (talk). Self nominated at 20:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough (4 September), long enough (2,159 characters), fully referenced. Hook and ALTs all fine, verified against online source. (Corrected the grammar, because 2007 is a "when", not a "where".) Nice image, appropriately licenced. Has four prior noms, so no QPQ required (this time). Good to go! Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

SS Fort Stikine

Fort Stikine

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nominated at 07:13, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New and long enough, and QPQ appears to be met. Article doesn't appear to have dupe issues (though some possible fork issues with Bombay Explosion (1944)). Also appears to be well cited (although much of cites to same/similar source). My only concern is that the hook, though fine in itself, is quite similar to an "on this day" entry from April of this year. I wouldn't expect this to impact a DYK listing though...(?) Guliolopez (talk) 09:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment: Ref #2 is not accessible. Maybe an url error? Is image quality fine enough for the main page? --CeeGee 10:18, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Off the Air (TV series), List of Off the Air episodes, Dave Hughes (producer)

Improved to Good Article status by 23W (talk). Self nominated at 04:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • This is one of those rules that I usually ping Orlady to get her take on it. I'm not sure it would be necessary to include the clips quote in the Hughes article. However, the article on Hughes says he's best known for Off the Air, yet there's precious little about the show in his article. If you add to Hughes how many seasons the show has aired plus the quote in the hook, that might improve the balance of his article anyway. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
  • This is a bit awkward to point out, but over half of the episodes article's prose is copied from the article on the show, including two stretches of 40+ words, two 20+, and a number of shorter ones. By DYK rules (WP:DYKSG#A5), If some of the text were copied from another Wikipedia article, then it must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article. The episodes article contains a hair under 2000 prose characters, and of that well over 1000 prose characters have been copied. I don't see how the episodes article is eligible under the circumstances, or that a way can be found to include it as a bold link in the hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I did want to point out that the original hook can still be used, provided that the episodes bold link is reduced to a regular link. I've just unbolded it, and I actually like it better than all of the ALTs, though I haven't checked it for accuracy. I'll let Tony do that. (I've also removed the DYKmake template for the episodes article.) BlueMoonset (talk) 20:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Sounds good; I like it the best too. Thanks. 23W (talk · stalk) 22:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Château de Kerjean

Château de Kerjean

  • ... that parts of Château de Kerjean (pictured), damaged during the French Revolution, were dismantled for sale as building material?

Created by Guliolopez (talk). Self nominated at 11:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough. Long enough. Dup detector found no issues. Hook is interesting and cited (in French, which I read quite well), as are all paras. NPOV. No QPQ done - looking at talkpage and archives, user has five previous DYKs, so a QPQ review is needed. Edwardx (talk) 20:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
  • QPQ done, but I don't think the image licence is suitable for the front page. Edwardx (talk) 11:34, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks. While I'm not overly concerned about the image (no issue if it isn't included in any possible listing), for my own understanding (and future reviews), what is it about the licence that would be of concern? Guliolopez (talk) 20:08, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Oops, the image IS suitably licenced - my apologies. I saw the bit in the box about "This building is indexed in the Base Mérimée..." and misunderstood it. More haste, less speed on my part. The policy guidelines are at Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Images Anyway, in my experience, there are far too many articles with images for them all to be chosen, and most of mine never make it. Edwardx (talk) 21:56, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The last paragraph in the article needs a cite, per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 22:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The assertions in the last paragraph (state care and status since 1911, restoration, etc) are cited further-up in the content. Not least in the lead/intro. Thanks for highlighting however, and to cover "belt and braces" I've added in-line tags for the last para now also. Guliolopez (talk) 12:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you. But non-controversial facts that appear in the body of the article need not be cited in the lead. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:02, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Heather Dewey-Hagborg

Stranger Vision Portraits

  • ... that bio-hackers such as Heather Dewey-Hagborg (artwork pictured) can collect discarded hair, gum or cigarette butts, sequence the DNA and turn it into a 3-D sculpture?
  • ALT1:... that bio-hackers such as Heather Dewey-Hagborg (artwork pictured) can collect discarded hair, gum or cigarette butts, sequence the DNA and turn it into 3-D art?

5x expanded by SojoQ (talk). Self nominated at 11:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 5[edit]

The Caravan Club (Endell Street)

Caravan Club advertising, 1934

  • ... that The Caravan Club (advertising pictured) claimed to be "the most unconventional spot in town" with "All night gaiety" and "Dancing to Charlie"?
  • ALT1:... that The Caravan Club (advertising pictured) was put under observation by police eleven days after opening and raided a month later with 103 arrests?
  • ALT2:... that locals thought The Caravan Club (advertising pictured) was "absolutely a sink of iniquity"?
  • ALT3:... that in a 1934 police visit to The Caravan Club (advertising pictured), 39/40 men were of the "importuning type" and 18/26 women of the "prostitute class"?
  • Reviewed: not a self-nom
  • Comment: many hook possibilities - take your pick, or feel free to tweak and/or add your own...

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Wonderful array of Alts - thank you Edward! Philafrenzy (talk) 22:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

1943 Saint-Donat RCAF Liberator III Crash

  • Comment: Article created 8 days ago, but I did not really know that the deadline for DYK nominations was a week.
  • Reviewed: New nominator.

Created by Tinss (talk). Self nominated at 22:14, 12 September 2014 (UTC).

Butterfly Valley, Fethiye

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nominated at 11:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

Preservation of kobzar music

The original Monsieur Léonard

Created by Altenmann (talk). Self nominated at 18:29, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting topic, long enough, new enough. I have to take the Ukrainian sources AGF. Article: please get rid of the link within the bolded topic, by explaining to the uninitiated reader in one or two sentences what kobzar music is. Hook: when I read it I thought: do we really have to praise Wikimedia? After reading I think: yes, why not. I don't like "noble" and think "century-long" sounds a bit weird. Same fact in other words:
ALT1: ... that the preservation of kobzar music, begun in Kharkiv in 1901, was renewed in 2013 supported by Wikimedia Ukraine? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Bold link removed. Yes, this is one of highly nontrivial jobs of Wikimedia to its praise for money not wasted. I have to disagree with ALT1's phrasing "renewed". There was always some work, here and there. How about
Symbol voting keep.svg, image added to help imagination, but I am not sure about the copyright, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Copyright is PD-art-80 . -No.Altenmann >t 16:37, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Father Mapple

Created/expanded by CWH (talk). Self nominated at 18:15, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Length and date are OK. Article is classified as a stub and there's an issue of being unreviewed. Hook is cited although it does not explicitly points out that it is Chapter 8 of Moby-Dick. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 10:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks: added Moby-Dick, or The Whale to notes. It's no longer a stub, so will remove "stub," but I can't review. Cheers!ch (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Lomatia fraseri

Lomatia fraseri leaves, Brisbane Water

  • ... that Lomatia fraseri (pictured) can have leaves of markedly different shapes on the same plant?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nominated at 13:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Length, date (>5x expansion) verified. Hook's offline ref accepted AGF by seasoned editor. All non-lede paragraphs have refs; all refs appear to be RS. No apparent close-paraphrasing issues. Image is from Commons. Interesting hook; hook's length is fine. QPQ done. GTG. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:39, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

African giant toad

African giant toad

Created/expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 12:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough and long enough expansion. Referenced and cited inline. Great picture that goes very well with the hook. Looks good to me. Cliftonian (talk) 18:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

John Bauer (illustrator)


  • ... that among John Bauer's most noted works is the watercolor Still, Tuvstarr sits and gazes down into the water (pictured)?
  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by W.carter (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 22:55, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

1915 watercolor of trolls by John Bauer

  • ALT1 - without the template I'm not sure how to insert ALT verbiage. What about another option: ... that John Bauer is best known for his illustrations (example pictured) in early editions of Bland tomtar och troll (Among Gnomes and Trolls), an anthology about Swedish folklore and children's fairy tales? The image is a watercolor of trolls he made in 1915.
  • ALT2 - using the same picture of the trolls as in ALT1: ... that details in the clothes of John Bauer's trolls (pictured) were inspired by Roman sculptures? -- w.carter-Talk 10:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Chateaubriand sauce

Created by Northamerica1000 (talk). Self nominated at 00:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

Maximilian William of Brunswick-Lüneburg

Maximilian William of Brunswick-Lüneburg

5x expanded by Surtsicna (talk). Self nominated at 21:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

Operation: All Clear

Created by Catlemur (talk). Self nominated at 16:04, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new and long enough. It has inline citations. However, I cannot find the hook in the article. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 10:18, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


Cover of Shafts issue 1

Cover of Shafts issue 8

  • ... that the cover of the 1890s feminist periodical Shafts (pictured) depicted a woman shooting an arrow labelled "wisdom", "truth" and "justice"?

5x expanded by 97198 (talk), Eric Corbett (talk). Nominated by 97198 (talk) at 15:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg The article has been expanded 5x, and was nominated here within seven days after the expansion (on the same day). The hook is cited with an inline citation to a reliable source in the article. Every paragraph (except for the lead) has at least one inline citation. Spot checking for copyvio reveals no problems. NorthAmerica1000 00:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
    I think the other cover (of number 8) will make a better DYK image as it has more contrast. Belle (talk) 00:55, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg That works: the hook is applicable to either image, as is the way it's worded in the article. Furthermore, the darker image also has the words "wisdom", "truth" and "justice" in it (next to the tip of the arrow, although not in that order). One matter is the word ordering of the words next to the arrow, which are in a different order on the cover than appears in the hook. The hook is still fine, but I propose a slightly more accurate ALT1 with the darker image below. NorthAmerica1000 01:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Cover of Shafts issue 8

ALT1 ... that the cover of the 1890s feminist periodical Shafts (pictured) depicted a woman shooting an arrow labelled "wisdom", "justice" and "truth"?

Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 is fine. Passing with that and the rest of the review per Northamerica1000 above. Belle (talk) 01:34, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

St George's Church, Southport

St George's Church, Southport

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 10:54, 5 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg The article is new enough and long enough. It is well written and well referenced. The facts in the hook are cited to a reliable source and the image is suitably licenced. QPQ done. (If a link to Lucarne is to be included on the front page, it might be useful to improve and reference that article as well).— Rod talk 16:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Rod for the review. I've amended the stub. It's very short, but is it better? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yep, at least it has a reference now.— Rod talk 19:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 6[edit]

Melisa Wallack

5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nominated at 05:26, 13 September 2014 (UTC).

Lutefisk (band)

  • ... that the album Burn in Hell Fuckers by rock band Lutefisk was named after a phrase written on the wall of the band's recording studio after it was robbed?

Created by Jinkinson (talk). Self nominated at 01:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC).

India Speaks

  • Reviewed: not a self nomination

Created by Onel5969 (talk). Nominated by Vigyani (talk) at 00:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC).

Wangath Temple complex

  • Comment: Not a self nomination

Created by Ambar wiki (talk). Nominated by Vigyani (talk) at 16:00, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

Cistern of the Hebdomon

The cistern seen from the east in an aerial view

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self nominated at 06:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Article is new, long enough, neutral and well-referenced with inline citations. Hook is correctly formatted and interesting. QPQ already done. Image is in public domain. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 03:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Hermann Suhrau

Created by Soman (talk). Self nominated at 10:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new, long enough (just! at 1542 characters), and neutral. Hook is correctly formatted and interesting. QPQ already done. While fairly well cited (two sources), I cannot access much of the Balling book and the second part of the hook ("became a NSDAP member") doesn't seem to be cited. I did some quick online research but was unable to find anything helpful. Notified nominator.  Mr.choppers | ✎  01:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
  • It is in Balling, "nach Rückgliederung des Memelgcbicts an das Dt. Reich 1.4.1939 Mitgl. der NSDAP, Ortsgr. Mcmcl" (for some reason Google Books digitalizes many of the "e"s in this book as "c"). --Soman (talk) 16:32, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Super, thanks for showing me. Would you mind breaking the reference in two, one for p. 699 and one for 717? I've started it, but maybe you could check to make sure if there are any more citations that spring from p. 717. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:19, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

George H. Harlow

Created by Teemu08 (talk). Self nominated at 04:38, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

Maup Caransa

Maup Caransa in 1977

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nominated at 02:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC).


The Maupoleum (1971-1994) in Amsterdam

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nominated at 21:43, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

Holy Trinity Church, Southport

Holy Trinity Church, Southport

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 15:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, etc. Another quality product by this editor. The hook is properly verified--though it's quite closely paraphrased from the original (given the somewhat formulaic nature of the statement that's perhaps understandable, and it is not of concern to me), but I did not find too-close paraphrase elsewhere in the spot checks I did. Drmies (talk) 21:55, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Raven Creek

Raven Creek just outside Stillwater

  • ... that Raven Creek (pictured) may have once been known as Raving Creek?

Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 12:19, 6 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date OK, plenty long enough, hook OK and confirmed by online citation. Article neutral, and I could detect no copyvio or close paraphrasing. The article is well referenced. The image is the nominator's own work and is free to use. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:46, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 7[edit]

The Radha Krsna temple (album)

Created by JG66 (talk). Nominated by Cinosaur (talk) at 12:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC).

Internet Slowdown Day

A "spinning wheel of death" used to promote Internet Slowdown Day

Created by Darmokand (talk), Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 11:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC).

Sophie (musician)

  • ... that anonymous music producer Sophie chose his name because he thought "it tastes good and it's like moisturizer"?
  • Reviewed: 2nd DYK

Created by Hinnk (talk). Self nominated at 04:02, 11 September 2014 (UTC).

Hendrik Koot

  • Reviewed: I'm on it.

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nominated at 03:11, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg age and size check out. material true to sources. English sources do not appear to have been paraphrased. Hook cited. Good to go once a QPQ is done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:45, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Barretville, Tennessee

  • ... that the community of Barretville, Tennessee is locally known for its large population of domesticated peacocks?
  • ALT1:... that in 1930, burglars attempted to break into a bank's vault in Barretville, Tennessee using blowtorches, and accidentally set the adjoining general store alight?

Created by MitLaw (talk). Self nominated at 19:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Date OK, but the article is not long enough; I make it 1,190 characters, including spaces. In addition the online source does not confirm that the community is "locally known" for its peacocks. ALT1 is not possible to verify. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

2002 ICC Champions Trophy Final

Created/expanded by Sahara4u (talk). Self nominated at 16:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Article is new enough but barely crosses 1500 character limit. Can you expand it more? Also to make the hook interesting can you add the fact that the final was played twice? Some other facts which u can consider are: This was only instance in which ICC One day events had joint winners, or ICC top level event to have joint winners. --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 07:21, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Bit harsh to say it wouldn't survive an AfD - these tournament finals are very notable. Agree it's a bit short at the moment, I'll have a look at trying to expand it. Thanks for the ping. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:32, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • In principle there's no reason that a "final" article shouldn't stand alone from the tournament. Claiming it would be deleted is somewhat an extrapolation of the truth. Expand it a little and there's no issue here whatsoever. I'm 100% certain the final itself received sufficient coverage to enable a standalone article to survive. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:41, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Prose is now long enough. I will check it again. I don't have any opinion on notability, but lot of editors are in favor of keeping it. I am suggesting ALT2 and will request someone else to review the hook. --Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 04:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Just made a slight change to ALT2 (washed out, not down), although I support ALT1. Good work all round though - looks a nice article now. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:08, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 shows the two facts as somewhat disconnected and does not tell that both the matches could not be completed.--Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 08:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Why were semifinals added to the article about final? To increase the prose and make it look notable? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:53, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Dharmadhyaksha, this is not a relevant forum to discuss notability. If you really think that the topic isn't notable, then start an AfD and we will discuss it there. This page is to discuss the DYK, and the notability is not relevant to that. Harrias talk 07:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I had proposed merger and thereby 5x expansion of the main topic. If that isn't happening this then I will open a merger discussion. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay then please go ahead. This is not the right place. Vensatry (ping) 16:10, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Uuuhhh!!! You are here! People, carry on. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:07, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Ha, of course I am! If not for you, at least for my favourite sport. Vensatry (ping) 16:48, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Strike Zone

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nominated at 22:08, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

Five Mile Point Light

  • ... that the original Five Mile Point Lighthouse from 1805 was a 30-foot (9.1 m) octagonal wooden tower, with fixed white light made by eight oil lamps with 13-inch (330 mm) parabolic reflectors?
  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by ChrisGualtieri (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 21:47, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

Malagonlong Bridge

Malagonlong Bridge

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Self nominated at 16:38, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough. Supported by sources. Dup checking doesn't reveal any copyvio or close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Picture checks out and looks good at this resolution. Hook and article are neutral, and the hook is interesting. Good to go. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 13:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

AI Mk. VIII radar

AI Mk. VIIIA in the nose of a Bristol Beaufighter

  • ... that while developing the AI Mk. VIII radar (pictured), the world's first microwave-frequency air-to-air radar system, Herbert Skinner would test its output by using it to light his cigarettes?
  • ALT1:... that development of an advanced version of the AI Mk. VIII radar (pictured) was set back when the only prototype, and its main researcher, were shot down in a deadly friendly fire incident?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nominated at 14:38, 7 September 2014 (UTC).

  • QPQ: lots.

Articles created/expanded on September 8[edit]

Iron Foot Jack

  • ALT1:... that Iron Foot Jack appeared in Pathé's 1955 newsreel Soho Goes Gay?
  • Reviewed: not a self-nom
  • Comment: more and better hooks welcome

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 09:46, 15 September 2014 (UTC).

Larry Wortzel

Larry Wortzel

  • ... that Colonel Larry Wortzel (pictured), a seven-term U.S. Congressional commissioner, is considered one of the top American experts on China's military strategy?

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self nominated at 09:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC).

Normandia, Roraima

5x expanded by Prburley (talk). Self nominated at 01:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC).

Arthur Drewry

5x expanded by Gareth E Kegg (talk). Self nominated at 18:18, 13 September 2014 (UTC).


Improved to Good Article status by Cambalachero (talk). Self nominated at 15:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

Santa Cruz Parish Church (Maribojoc)

Maribojoc Church

  • ... that the convent of Maribojoc Church (pictured) follows a continuous "I" pattern, instead of the usual "L" pattern found among churches in the Philippines?

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Self nominated at 16:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

Scheduled Monuments in Somerset

Created by Rodw (talk). Self nominated at 16:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

Eric Lawson (politician)

Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nominated at 16:17, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

Heather Stewart-Whyte

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 16:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Sorry, but this is not eligible for the 2x unsourced BLP exception, because there was a source prior to expansion. Note that "unsourced" does not mean "without inline references". The source, in the form of an external link, was used a dozen times in the expanded version as an inline ref. But it's close to the normal 5x expansion which is required. It started with 483 prose characters and it's currently 1980, so just another 435 more are required. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • There were facts in the unexpanded article which could be verified with the preexisting source. As one example, it said that she appeared on the covers of UK editions of Elle and Marie Claire; the section of the source on confirmed magazine covers says "UK: 'Marie Claire' - September 1992; 'Elle' - December 1992; 'Marie Claire' - September 1993". The 2x BLP rule is a very generous exception which is only available for BLPs which had absolutely no sources of any kind prior to expansion. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Can I request the help of French language speakers to expand upon three stories:
  1. It seems her husband used a variety of aliases.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  2. Her husband died of a heart attack in 2004.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  3. She was indicted for not paying her servants.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Oud-Strijders Legioen

  • ... that the Dutch right-wing military veterans' organization Oud-Strijders Legioen, which was pro-NATO, pro-apartheid, and anti-permissiveness, was compared to a "boy scout organization for the elderly"?

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nominated at 01:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 9[edit]

Lü Zushan

5x expanded by Metal.lunchbox (talk), Zanhe (talk). Nominated by Zanhe (talk) at 22:21, 16 September 2014 (UTC).

Kate Vaughan

Kate Alice Candelin aka Vaughan

  • ... that Kate Vaughan (pictured), who developed the skirt dance, is considered to be the greatest dancer of her time?
  • QPQ =Lynn Bomar
  • Comment: if she is "considered" then I dont think we need quote marks in the hook

Created by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk), Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 17:30, 14 September 2014 (UTC).

Nobelium, Lawrencium

  • ... that the discoveries of nobelium and lawrencium were disputed between Soviet and American scientists for decades?

Improved to Good Article status by Double sharp (talk). Self nominated at 13:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC).

Sunset Limousine

John Ritter at the 1988 Emmy Awards

  • ... that John Ritter's (pictured) comedy style in the 1983 film Sunset Limousine was considered the "magic ingrediant" for the film's success?
  • Reviewed: reviewed Merchants Limited.
  • Comment: Artcile found at AFD and given a 10x expansion which led to the nom's withdrawal.

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nominated at 19:37, 15 September 2014 (UTC).

2014 Beijing ePrix

Created by Harrias (talk), Holdenman05 (talk). Nominated by Harrias (talk) at 21:04, 13 September 2014 (UTC).

Sikkimese general election, 1974

  • Comment: This is my 5th self-nom

Created by Number 57 (talk), Vigyani (talk). Nominated by Vigyani (talk) at 17:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC).

Nile Delta toad, Amietophrynus vittatus

  • ... that toads found in Egypt around 1909 and identified as Degen's toad (A. vittatus) are now considered a separate species, the Nile Delta toad (A. kassasii)?

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 09:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC).

Mikuszowice, Komorowice, Bielsko-Biała

  • Comment: my first nomination, please be gentle

Created by D T G (talk). Self nominated at 13:27, 10 September 2014 (UTC).

2014 Malaysian sedition dragnet

Created/expanded by Kawaputra (talk). Self nominated at 05:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Seems like the Malaysian government should have spent more time watching its planes and less time watching its intellectuals. EEng (talk) 20:12, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Cream of asparagus soup

Cream of asparagus soup

Created by Northamerica1000 (talk). Self nominated at 03:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Long enough, new enough, sources look fine to me, hook cited, good to go. Zappa24Mati 01:22, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Just wondering how long it will be before some pedant arrives to tell us contractions aren't (or are not) allowed in hooks. EEng (talk) 20:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Martin Manulis

  • ... that Martin Manulis was the producer of Playhouse 90, which was voted the greatest television series of all time in a 1970 poll of television critics?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nominated at 22:32, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is a fivefold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook fact, and the whole article, is well sourced, the article is neutral and I saw no signs of any copyright problems. QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg I have undone the promotion of this hook and taken it out of queue5, as the hook is, contrary to what is stated above, not supported by the source. Please be more careful when writing and checking hooks. Fram (talk) 07:31, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok - looking at the source it is television editors - hence the hook could be:
  • ALT1 ... that Martin Manulis was the producer of Playhouse 90, which was voted the greatest television series of all time in a 1970 poll of television editors?
ok? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg This nomination is now ready to go with ALT1. The problem mentioned by Fram above concerned the fact that both hook and article mentioned a poll of television critics when in fact it was a poll of television editors. Well spotted, Fram! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:23, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hovdala Castle

Hovdala Castle

  • ... that Hovdala Castle, Sweden (pictured) belonged to the same family from 1651 to 1944?

5x expanded by Yakikaki (talk). Self nominated at 19:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Regarding the original hook itself, all is good to go. The article is new enough, long enough (expanded way over 5x) and every paragraph has at least one inline citation. Content of the original hook is backed up by reliable sources used as inline citations in the article. Checks for copyvio, plagiarism and close paraphrasing reveals no problems.
The only problem is that the QPC review requirement has not been fulfilled yet. NorthAmerica1000 03:18, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review! QPQ is done now. Yakikaki (talk) 08:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Needs a rereview. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Now good to go, per the fulfilled QPC. Thanks. NorthAmerica1000 10:02, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Southport Arts Centre, Southport Town Hall, Atkinson Art Gallery and Library

Southport Town Hall

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 17:45, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Review underway. Cbl62 (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment New enough. Long enough. No copy vio. Have not checked status of pictures. Don't mean to step on Cbl62. Had already undertaken my own review, but I defer to him to finish it up. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 20:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg All three articles are new enough (created Sept. 9), long enough, neutrally written and use in-line citations. the hook is short enough, interesting enough, and verified with in-line citations to reliable sources. Spot-checking doesn't turn up problems with unduly close paraphrasing, copyright violation, plagiarism, etc. Photograph is from Commons and has appropriate license. Three QPQs have been offered for this triple nom. All looks to be in order. Cbl62 (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Punta Cruz Watchtower

Punta Cruz Watchtower

  • ... that the Punta Cruz Watchtower (pictured) is known for being the only perfect isosceles triangle tower-fort structure in the Philippines?

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Self nominated at 12:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg I prefer the original hook,which is more interesting (to me). Date, length, hook all OK. The hook is confirmed by an online source. The article is neutral and I could detect no significant copyvio. The image is free to use, and the article is well referenced. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Cream of broccoli soup

Cream of broccoli soup

Created by Northamerica1000 (talk). Self nominated at 07:49, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. Image license suitable for front page. NPOV. Dup detector spot checking found no close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations or plagiarism. All paras and hook cited. I've tweaked the hook, replacing "image" with "version". You could use "recipe" if you prefer. Edwardx (talk) 00:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't think the image is appropriate for the hook. Yoninah (talk) 12:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Sure it is; it's an image of cream of broccoli soup, the premise of the hook. NorthAmerica1000 13:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm comparing it with Template:Did you know nominations#Seafood pizza, in which seafood pizza is generic. It was even kind of funny that you depicted a different seafood pizza when describing the costliest version in your hook, as if readers are eagerly looking to the picture to see this high-priced marvel (I was!). But this hook is specific: Campbell's cream of broccoli soup. It doesn't make sense to put in a non-Campbell's product, especially a homemade soup made by someone in Australia. Yoninah (talk) 15:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
  • It would be a copyright infringement to use an image of the Campbell's Soup Company product in the can except for within the Campbell's Soup Company article. An image of the Campbell's Soup Company soup in a bowl would be all right, but didn't find anything on Commons (Commons is lacking in images of cream of broccoli soup in general, too). So, it's either use the image, a similar one, or don't use this type of image. Below is an ALT, the same as the original hook, but sans the image and the text "(different version pictured)". NorthAmerica1000 22:57, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

UR (album)

Created by Et3rnal (talk). Self nominated at 11:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 10[edit]

Gu Mu

Gu Mu in 1940

  • ... that Vice Premier Gu Mu (pictured) was a key figure in the creation of the Shenzhen Special Economic Zone?

Created by Colipon (talk), Zanhe (talk). Nominated by Zanhe (talk) at 07:20, 17 September 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svgLong enough, new enough, no copyvio