# User talk:Salix alba

## Removal of deletion tags from the target of an active deletion discussion

Please stop your large scale recategorisation of mathematicians. There should be some WP:CONSENSUS about how this. This is begining to look like a breach of WP:POINT and could lead to a block. Consider this a final warning before a block.--Salix alba (talk): 08:38, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

So far, the only responses to my edits have been either to (a) undo my edits, (b) nominate my content for deletion, or (c) threaten blocks. Isn't this supposed to be the encyclopedia that anyone can edit? It looks like I can only get new content in if I'm willing to spend hours policing my edits and arguing with you guys. Jay Gatsby(talk) 08:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
I've responded on your talk page so as to keep the discussion in one place.--Salix alba (talk): 09:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

## MathJax colors

You recently made some significant changes to the Help:Displaying a formula page. Amongst those were changes to the colors. I would just care to inform you that the broken colors are a bug that we accidentally recently introduced and did not notice. We accidentally removed the cancel and color extensions from the configuration. It will soon be fixed after this is merged and deployed, bugzilla:63574. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:53, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've updated the help page.--Salix alba (talk): 16:10, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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## Math demo

Hi,

I just wanted to point you to the demo of the Math extension 2.0 http://math2.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Dedekind_sum

--Physikerwelt (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Cool. I've logged in but I can't seem to create a page getting "Fatal error: Call to a member function getTitle() on a non-object in /mnt/vagrant/mediawiki/extensions/MathSearch/MathObject.php on line 136". I've looked at some of the other pages there eg [1] which is full of various red messages. Hopefully these are minor bugs.--Salix alba (talk): 17:37, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for testing that. The getTitle problem is realted to the MathSearch extension, which is just a research prototype with tons of bugs. On the page [2] I see two red links.
1. Failed to parse(<math_latexml_invalidxml>): \pagecolor {Black}\color {Yellow}{\text{Yellow}} (and similar)
2. Failed to parse(<math_latexml_invalidxml>): {\cfrac {x}{1+{\cfrac {{\cancel {y}}}{{\cancel {y}}}}}}={\cfrac {x}{2}}
I think those should be fixable by adjustint the matjax configuration. Are there more I did not see? --Physikerwelt (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
A lot better now. I had a lot of complaints about server failures the first time I looked at things.
Oh it looks like MathJax has problems displaying [3] the I'm getting
GET http://en.wikipedia.org/extensions/MathMenu.js 404 (Not Found)

Any ideas?--Salix alba (talk): 21:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Does that mean that MathJax does not work at en.wikipedia.org?--Physikerwelt (talk) 06:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
If it helps the error I get on math2.beta.wmflabs.org is "Failed to parse(MathML (with SVG fallback): Invalid response ('There was a problem during the HTTP request: 500 Internal Server Error') from server 'http://mathoid.eqiad.wmflabs:10042':): \scriptstyle n_{e}". I get this quite frequently hitting the random page button.--Salix alba (talk): 21:22, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I think it's a problem of the mathoid servier. Loading the page with action=purge gain usually solves the issue. But I don't know what's wrong since the error disapears on the second atempt. --Physikerwelt (talk) 06:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
I've tracked down the problem with Help Formula a bit [4] is the smallest broken example.
Thanks the issue is related to the heading === MathJax === that produces an element with id="MathJax" it seems that MathJax does not like that.
I changed the timeout on the mathoid server... Now the domo creates better error messages. --Physikerwelt (talk) 08:07, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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## AWB on Mac

Hi, you added information to Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Mono and Wine relating to Mac use, thanks for that. Note that if you install ie6 via winetricks this should sort out the problem you mention in relation to diffs being appended to the previous ones. Thanks Rjwilmsi 17:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

## Raincode COBOL deletion

Hi Salix.

Can you tell me why the IBM COBOL and the Unisys MCP pages are still on wikipedia ? You deleted the Raincode COBOL page for reasons(?), and not those two? Thank you for your help,

Regards, --Fontignie (talk) 09:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Each page is deleted on its own merits RainCode COBOL was deleted following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RainCode COBOL (2nd nomination). There are very few mentions of it in web searches. So it failed Wikipedia:Notability. IBM COBOL on the other hand is one of the major versions of cobol with 4 million results in google search. While a very week article it could easily be expanded to pass. There is no page Unisys MCP this looks like it means either Burroughs MCP or Unisys MCP programming languages both of which would pass Wikipedia:Notability.--Salix alba (talk): 11:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

## A barnstar for you!

 The Technical Barnstar Salix alba, you're a genius..! I don't know how to thank you..! Joseph 13:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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## Apologies for erroneous rollback

Sorry for rolling back your edit on the "Britain First" page; seems the vandalism was spotted by several of us at once and I accidentally rolled back your version instead of the vandal's edit. Arkady Rose (talk) 12:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

No problems, these thing happen.--Salix alba (talk): 13:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

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## Help write something?

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## A barnstar for you!

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## Citoid.js fixes

Hi. Thanks for your Citoid.js – it really speeds up cites. However, I was getting "undefined" for the month of |accessdate= and other problems with the |date= param, regardless of the date format chosen or URL I attempted to cite. While my js skills are pretty rusty, I did find and fix the problems in my local copy at User:AlanM1/scripts/Citoid.js.

One problem was in formatCS1Date() in its use of parseInt(), which regards any number with a leading '0' as octal. So, when it was given the month of '09' out of '2014-09-29', it became 0 because it tried to read it as an octal value, stopping when it encountered the '9'. Creating a Number() object from the string doesn't suffer this problem, and I streamlined things a bit more as well.

The problem with the |date= param was partially solved by this, but it was also necessary to get the value into the same ISO date format before calling formatCS1Date() on it. It's a little convoluted because there is no direct conversion to ISO format that doesn't attempt to apply a UTC/local time conversion, which would move the date by one; I think I've got it down to the best solution. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I've a feeling it might be browser dependant. Using chrome and firefox parseInt('08') and parseInt('09') seem to work fine. I've added an explicit radix parameter to parseInt parseInt('08',10) to force the right interpretation.
Do you have examples where things don't work?--Salix alba (talk): 06:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
parseInt('08'), executed in the web console of Firefox 20.0.1 on Win7 x64, yields 0. However, IE 9.0.8112.16421 (64-bit) on the same system yields 8, though.

On an old WinXPSP3 system, Firefox 7.0.1, Chrome 16.0.912.77 m, and IE 8.0.6001.18702 all give 0.

Aside from that issue, though, I think my formatCS1Date() code is faster and simpler without the (seemingly unnecessary?) splitting into high/low digits, skipping all the logic in the YMD case, etc. I also used the date parsing in the Date() constructor to hopefully accommodate a wider range of source date formats for the |date= param. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I read an interesting thread about this issue. I guess we're on the cusp of abandoning this behavior finally, as of ECMA-262 v5.1 (2011)), decades after ceasing manufacture of hardware for which octal was more convenient.

One interesting point made was that Number is a float by definition, while parseInt() attempts to return an integer only, and would seem to need to be less complex (faster) internally. Rewriting... —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:45, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Done. Now using parseInt(, 10) instead of Number. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 22:04, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Using your script for www.thehindu.com/news/national/with-sena-out-of-nda-hectic-poll-campaign-awaits-pm/article6458697.ece, I get |date= values of NaN undefined Sept, undefined NaN, Sept, and Sept-mb-r for DMY, MDY, and YMD formats. My script correctly gets 29 September 2014, September 29, 2014, and 2014-09-29. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The problem seems to be that we are getting inconsistent dates out of Citoid. Most of the time paramObj.date.wt is giving iso format dates but for the Hindu link, its giving "September 29, 2014", which broke the code. I've fix the code to cope with these two formats. I'm pinging @Mvolz: as this may affect the other things which depend on Citoid.--Salix alba (talk): 08:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if that element is specified to be an ISO date. That's why I used the Date object instead, whose constructor flexibly parses a variety of date formats:
        d = new Date(); // Construct new Date object with current date
// Now convert current date in UTC as ISO date string to desired date format
// and set accessdate param with result:
paramObj.accessdate = { 'wt': formatCS1Date(d.toISOString()) };

// Construct new Date object, parsing date param in unknown format:
var d2 = new Date(paramObj.date.wt);
if (d2) {
// If it was a valid date, use component local times to create an ISO date string
// (can't use s2=d2.toISOString() because it applies local->UTC conversion):
var s2 = (d2.getYear() + 1900).toString() + "-" +
((d2.getMonth() + 101).toString()).substr(1, 2) + "-" +
((d2.getDate() + 100).toString()).substr(1, 2);
// Now convert ISO string to desired date format and set date param with result:
paramObj.date.wt = formatCS1Date(s2);
}


This guarantees that anything that gets passed to formatCS1Date() is definitely ISO, and allows the streamlined code in that function as well, instead of having to break things up into single digits:
        // Input format
// 0123456789[01234567890123]
//"2014-09-28[T20:03:10.298Z]"
if (style == "YMD")   // Already in correct format – just return date part
return isodate.substr(0, 10);

var monthIndex = parseInt(isodate.substr(5, 2), 10) - 1;        // Get month - 1
var sday = parseInt(isodate.substr(8, 2), 10).toString();       // Get day of month as trimmed string
if (style == "MDY")
return messages[lang].monthnames[monthIndex] + " " + sday + ", " + isodate.substr(0, 4);
else    // DMY
return sday + " " + messages[lang].monthnames[monthIndex] + " " + isodate.substr(0, 4);


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## Citoid patch suggestion

Hi. this page has a title with a pipe in it, which results in a cite that is broken. This would also happen if it (or any other field) contained two closing braces. My fix is in buildTemplateCode(), c. line 294. Change

var wt = value.wt


to

var wt = value.wt.replace(/\|/g, "&#124;").replace(/}}/g, "&#125;&#125;");


Can you think of any others? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:14, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

## Math styling

In this edit you removed styling with the comment "remove vertical-align style from math tags which cause rendering problems in some configurations". Can you explain exactly what the problem is? You have also removed the scriptstyle, which has resulted in not only the math being misaligned but also ridiculously large for the surrounding text. SpinningSpark 10:18, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that there are now several different methods for rendering maths. The old PNG rendering, MathJax, the new MathML with fallback SVG (MathML in firefox and SVG on other browsers). Eventually the system will move away from the PNG system. Each of these modes appears slightly differently.
The vertical-align and scriptstyle are basically workaround for the problems with the PNG renderer and have detrimental effects using the other systems. In particular the <math style="vertical-align:-10%;">B[/itex] is causing problems on the MathML in chrome causing equations to not appear at all.
I personally find the MathJax renderer to be the best visually, although there is a slight delay as its rendered by the client web browser. There is a wider discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics‎‎#MathML rendering available.--Salix alba (talk): 11:08, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
What a mess, there should be only one rendering system so that editors can see what our readers are going to get, or at least one recommended, default system. The png system is still the default, no? or has that changed? You say that -10% causes a problem, but the styling you removed was 0%. Does 0% cause a problem? If it doesn't, it should be allowed to remain to fix the png alignment issue. You still haven't said why you removed the scriptstyle. Was that an accident? SpinningSpark 17:01, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Hopefully this will be a transitional phase. We've been stuck with a ten year old system with a lot of problems and this is a move towards a system which will provide quality maths rendering to all users. It is still quite new and needs testing.
Any argument to vertical-align currently cause problems there is a bug 72626 about this and I think it affect 50 odd pages. scriptstyle does not cause a problem but it renders thing a little too small with PNG and a lot too small in the other systems.
Possibly the best alternative in this case is to use {{math}} and {{mvar}} {{math|1={{mvar|τ}}={{mvar|RC}}}} which gives τ=RC. This is pure html, independent of the maths system used, and gets the size and baseline right.--Salix alba (talk): 17:54, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Or we could just leave it as big ugly display font in the middle of inline text. SpinningSpark 00:51, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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## Helston

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## Thanks for the help!

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## Declined CSD

Re this. How does that work, exactly? It is an obvious G4. The creator disagrees with the unanimous CfD, creates it anyway and now the clearcut consensus in the CfD is no longer in effect? Nymf (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

There was objection to the speedy on the talk page, the objection is not without merit. It not the purpose of speedies to rule on deletions where there is some doubt, that better handled to other forums. --Salix alba (talk): 16:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
The previous argument would have to be made again at CfD. That is just tedious, especially as it was unanimous, and neither the guidelines nor the rest of the category tree has changed at all since the initial deletion.
Would this not be handled better as a speedy and then at WP:DELREV if the creator disagrees? Nymf (talk) 17:04, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

## DOI

This is not a DOI: 10.1.1.413.3008 This is a http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/index number. I fixed your edits on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_curvature and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_curvature AManWithNoPlan (talk) 23:12, 14 April 2015 (UTC)