User talk:TLSuda

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Image of Pepsi Throwback[edit]

In June 2014, someone replaced File:Pepsi Throwback 2010.png with a picture of a different product. You deleted the older version, citing F5. Instead, I think the change should be reverted, since the new picture is for a different product. The original purpose of the picture, as stated in its description and filename, is to illustrate what Pepsi Throwback looked like in 2010. The current picture seems to be something else – it illustrates "Pepsi-Cola Made with Real Sugar", not "Pepsi Throwback". Can you please revert that? —BarrelProof (talk) 01:12, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Please also see the discussions I just started at File talk:Pepsi Throwback 2010.png and Talk:Throwback (drink). —BarrelProof (talk) 01:30, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
It looks like its been resolved. I've deleted the wrong revisions (per WP:NFCC). Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 11:25, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Improper deletion[edit]

You closed the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 June 10#File:Sound Recorder 31.png in blatant disregard for both what WP:NFCC actually states and the well-reasoned arguments another user made in the discussion. The image is so drastically different from the current one in the article that criterion 3 does not even come close to applying. Criterion 8 does not apply either because there is discussion of the older version in the article (that is not even remotely represented by the current screenshot). The fact that the precise older version number is not mentioned does not remove the contextual significance. Mdrnpndr (talk) 16:39, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Mdrnpndr. So here's the thing about WP:NFCC, its very rigid and has lots of applications. In this situation, I made the close under exactly what WP:NFCC actually says, as well as what it means in actual practice. WP:NFCC#3 in practice means that two images that are exceedingly similar (IE of different versions of the same software) are not allowed. Here's why: The basic premise of WP:NFCC is that as a community, Wikipedia should absolutely minimize the amount of non-free media (to comply with US law and the WMF's mission). As such, we strive to only use non-free media where a) absolutely necessary to the understanding of the article and b) it would hurt the article beyond repair if removed (all of this is WP:NFCC#8). We have to remember that to keep non-free media, the onus is on the supporters to keep to prove that it meets all aspects of WP:NFCC and WP:NFC. In this particular situation/discussion, it was never shown that it meets specifically WP:NFCC#3 and WP:NFCC#8. Simply being discussion about an older version does not mean that we need to see it. Its been nearly ten months since the discussion was closed, and the article has been seen by thousands of visitors who have had no issues understanding the article without the image (first part of #8). Secondly, we can completely live without the image because we could take the current image and add free text (sourced of course) that describes the major differences. As it stands now in the article, there isn't even content about the older version of Sound Recorder. There is nothing in the article that would require a reader to see that older screenshot to understand the text content. I hope that sheds some better light on the situation. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 11:37, 20 April 2015 (UTC)