User talk:Yung Doohickey

Wrong presentation of Tsoutsoumpis[edit]

Please be careful when presenting scholarship. In our case Tsoutsoumpis doesn't mention that massacres/violence occurred against civilians/villagers. Executions of irregular troops is a different case.Alexikoua (talk) 04:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does mention the execution of prisoners and, in an account from a infantry officer, that "villagers were being mowed down like sparrows. The houses were all alight from one end to the other." Yung Doohickey (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You understand that the account of an anonymous officer can't be presented as historical fact. Neither the author presents those claims as such. Why you interpret those claims as historical fact? Alexikoua (talk) 19:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is a contemporary account, and they added it to the book for a reason. However, I do agree that it shouldn't be presented as a fact, so I will change it to match how it is presented in the source. Thanks, Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Atrocities against Albanians in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918-1941)" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Atrocities against Albanians in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918-1941) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 21 § Atrocities against Albanians in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918-1941) until a consensus is reached. –Vipz (talk) 20:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OR/SYNTH[edit]

The new content you added to the article is about the expulsions of Albanians and settlement of Serb colonists, which is in Yugoslav colonization of Kosovo. The rest as I mentioned is part of the 1919-1924 rebellion. We can't have a bunch of POV-fork articles which synthesize different events and puts forth a misleading narrative. --Griboski (talk) 20:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you're saying but a lot of the information in the article is not mentioned in the 1919-1924 rebellion article. It doesn't make sense for a list of massacres to be in the Drenica-Dukagjin Uprisings article. Arguably, it would make more sense to merge the article with Yugoslav colonization of Kosovo. I would be willing to merge the information into that article, if it's okay with you. Yung Doohickey (talk) 20:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The atrocities from 1919-1924 are related to the Kachak movement rebellions, so it doesn't make sense to add them to the colonization article (though those events could be mentioned briefly). A better solution might be to rename the Drenica-Dukagjin article to "Kachak rebellion in Kosovo (1919-1924)" or something so that it's a broader coverage than just those two regions and keep the content there. The only other information that's not elsewhere is the small bit about Montenegro.--Griboski (talk) 20:45, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe a list of massacres would more-so belong in the colonization article, especially since massacres are already mentioned there. Though I definitely think the Kachak rebellions should be mentioned there too. The article for the Kachak uprisings are mostly a military conflict and it wouldn't make as much sense to list atrocities over there when another article exists for a similar purpose. I think this is ideal because the colonization article mostly references how the ethnic composition was altered by Yugoslavia, which would include the persecution of Albanians, and the subsequent massacres. Yung Doohickey (talk) 21:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you mean. I would not object to the relevant content being merged into the Yugoslav colonization article, go ahead. Though I do wonder if there are reliable sources which actually state that the massacres were part of the colonization policy. --Griboski (talk) 21:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll try to merge the page with the colonization article. I'm not sure if the atrocities were a result of the colonization policy, but the article seems to be be broad enough to add the relevant information, since it also includes Tito's and Milosevic's regimes. Thanks, Yung Doohickey (talk) 21:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Appreciate you![edit]

Hi Yung Doohikckey, just wanted to say I appreciate and corroborate all of your hardwork on here lately. Keep it up!

Also, I have a request for you, since you are so good at creating new articles/pages, would you be so kind as to create a page entitled something like “Massacres of Turks during the Russo Turkish War of 1877-78” or something of the sort? Then we can go from there

Thanks again

Samuel SamuelLion1877 (talk) 01:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’m going to try to do it right now, if it doesn’t go well I will let you know :) SamuelLion1877 (talk) 17:55, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kind words, I hope you do well creating the article and shed light on some lesser mentioned events in history. Yung Doohickey (talk) 18:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all, I just created it using the standard wiki page creation wizard, but it is still pending review. About how long would you say it took for your new article on the Muslim genocide during the Balkan Wars to be approved? SamuelLion1877 (talk) 00:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Within a day, I think. Yung Doohickey (talk) 04:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Genocide_of_Turks_and_Muslims_during_the_Russo-Turkish_War

here is the link to it, if you have time and would be so kind as to check it out and see if there’s anything I could improve or change to increase my chances of getting the article accepted, I’d really appreciate it :) SamuelLion1877 (talk) 17:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nice draft. You could try structuring it a bit better, like separating the different events instead of the extremely long paragraphs. Also, for the long paragraphs, you might want some more sources to verify the information in them. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestions. I know this is a big favour, but if you could kindly help me in editing / improving the page and finding some more sources (I already gathered most of them) I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks :) SamuelLion1877 (talk) 21:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Ottoman Muslim genocide during the Balkan Wars for deletion[edit]

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Khirurg (talk) 18:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of the article is ridiculous, plenty of sources were given, all of which describe the events as either a genocide or a series of massacres which would at least fit the definition of genocide. Perhaps a reasonable compromise would be to rename the article to “Massacres of Ottoman Muslims during the Balkan Wars”? SamuelLion1877 (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We should argue against the deletion on the discussion page. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I already posted on both the talk page of the article and the AFD section and said that the most reasonable and fair thing to do would be to rename the article to "Massacres of Ottoman Muslims during the Balkan Wars" and remove the section about Jews and cover that separately, or rename it to "Massacres of Ottoman civilians in the Balkan Wars" and keep the section about Jews, as for some of the sources being "dubious" I completely disagree and think that is hogwash and simply his own personal bias. And I agree that it should definitely be simply addressed in the talk page, not by deleting the entire article SamuelLion1877 (talk) 03:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doohickey?[edit]

I can confirm that this contraption is a doohickey. Yung Doohickey (talk) 18:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

		The Original Barnstar
		For your high-quality, diligent work on Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars and other related articles. Cheers! Botushali (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article on massacres of ottoman civilians in the Balkan wars was draftified[edit]

I think the best course of action is to create the same article with the same name, I think where we ran into issues before was the initial “genocide” in the title SamuelLion1877 (talk) 18:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And how could we make it less appear to be a fork? SamuelLion1877 (talk) 18:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nvm here is the link, it was not deleted but returned to a draft page[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Massacres_of_Ottoman_civilians_during_the_Balkan_Wars SamuelLion1877 (talk) 23:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Help request[edit]

Hello again, hope you’ve been doing well. Just wanted to say I appreciate everything you’ve done on here and your fantastic work. If you have time, I could use your help right now on First Balkan War and Balkan Wars, as the vandals have been utterly relentless as of late :( SamuelLion1877 (talk) 19:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Ethnic cleansing in Kosovo for deletion[edit]

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December 2023[edit]

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