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The list was promoted by Giants2008 00:07, 15 July 2011 [1].

Grammy Award for Best Traditional R&B Vocal Performance[edit]

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Nominator(s): Crystal Clear x3 07:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. Crystal Clear x3 07:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments: Use the sortname template for the Performing artist column and the sort template for the Work column (see Grammy Award for Best Female Rock Vocal Performance for example). The former will sort artists by last name and the latter will eliminate sorting based on punctuation. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done (comment by Crystal Clear)
      • Thanks. Will try to take another look at the list when I return (will be away from computer for several days). --Another Believer (Talk) 20:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Support: I went ahead and added sort commands, made the Nationality column consistent with other Grammy-related FLs, and made minor capitalization/MoS changes. Crystal or reviewers, feel free to discuss if you disagree. --Another Believer (Talk) 15:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "Up until 2003, albums were only nominated." Would make much more sense if "only" was moved to before "albums". It almost sounds now like they could only be nominated and not win. Surely not the intention.

Done

  • Aretha Franklin photo caption: "She first won the award in 2004 for 'Wonderful' and a second at the 2006 ceremony for 'A House Is Not a Home'." Missing a word like "won" before "a second".

Fixed

  • In reference 15, if Jack Klunder is the author of the article cited, then that information should be formatted like the authors in other refs (3, 13, and 14 are good examples). Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Jack is not the author of the article. He is the publisher of the Los Angeles Daily News. Crystal Clear x3 02:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from — Legolas (talk2me) 06:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Legolas2186
  • Now, only singles or tracks are. --> This looks so odd with "are" as the only verb.
I've reworded the sentence/sentences to: "Up until 2003, only albums were nominated, now just singles or tracks are"
  • Correct redirects of the Grammy ceremonies in the pictures.

Done

  • Beyonce is always credited as Beyonce Knowles, except for album and single covers. So correct it + the sorting too.

Done

  • Emdash in reference 14.

Done

  • The New York Times being a self-publishing company does not need publisher.

Done

  • Do you need the overlinking on United States? Its practically world's most common name.

Fixed

  • The sorting for the Work column is taking into consideration the quotes too for the songs. It should sort without them. — Legolas (talk2me) 16:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea about sorting things. Could you better explain what to do or show an example with and without the italics and quotation marks ?
Even I'm not good at the sorting thing. Just suggested this as it looked odd. Can you find someone who knows about this better? — Legolas (talk2me) 06:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed up the sort issues using {{sort}}. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done Crystal Clear x3 11:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article as a FL now. — Legolas (talk2me) 12:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Would like to think there's a better way of using two tiny sentences like this: "Up until 2003, only albums were nominated. Now, only singles or tracks are. " merge and improve.

I've reworded it to: "Up until 2003, only albums were nominated, now just singles or tracks are. "

  • Neville Brothers is The Neville Brothers.

Done

  • 6 dab links - Anthony Hamilton (thrice), Three Wishes, Fantasia, Quinn.

Fixed

  • Earth, Wind and Fire -> Earth, Wind & Fire.

Done

  • Ref 8 could use first and last parameters to be used for the author name. Same with Ref 15.
They're not the authors, they are the publishers
  • Refs 14 and 15 need en-dashes.

Done Crystal Clear x3 20:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


The Rambling Man (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment is there a source for the changes of name of this award.......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
From what I'm aware of, there is not an RS covering the award's title changes. However, as you can see by each year's references, the title has changed. On a side note, I am not aware of there needing to be sourcing for that in the lead. I've seen plenty of Grammy FLCs the same as this pass without anyone raising that question.... Crystal Clear x3 13:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Support then -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Updated scope commands. Also, this page may need to be moved to the award's new title soon... --Another Believer (Talk) 15:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Ruhrfisch - as requested, I have read the article and feel it meets the FL criteria. I have a few quibbles, which do not detract from my support, but do need to be addressed. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • It is not clear to me what this sentence is talking about - this award or the Grammys in general (assume it is this award) Up until 2003, only albums were nominated, now just singles or tracks are.

done

  • In conjunction with the previous comment, I think I would put the start date of this award in the first paragraph of the lead. So perhaps the sentence in the previous point could be something like The award was first given in 1999; until 2003, only albums were nominated, now just singles or tracks are.

done

  • The first sentence of the second paragraph would then have to be changed, perhaps to something like "It is different from the Grammy Award for Best Female R&B Vocal Performance and Grammy Award for Best Male R&B Vocal Performance, which were both awarded from 1969 to 2011. Not sure if the combination of these awards should be mentioned here or not - probably not.

done

  • I assume the General reference probably covers the various names of this award mentioned in the lead.
Actually, that aspect is covered in the ceremony year sources

Nice job, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support and comments! Crystal Clear x3 23:23, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are very welcome - Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:21, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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