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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 19:27, 17 April 2010 [1].

List of NHL players with 50-goal seasons[edit]

List of NHL players with 50-goal seasons (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): Resolute 01:04, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominating for several reasons: 50 goals is one of the NHL's most celebrated achievements, I'm looking to set a standard for related lists and for the WikiCup. The list has been stable, it is now well referenced, complete and has plenty of images. Resolute 01:04, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - boldface shouldn't be used as an indicator —Chris!c/t 01:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was not aware of that. Changing now. Resolute 01:22, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I suppose current players can be indicated with a highlight and a '*', as discussed at WikiProject hockey. Also, the "Games played" and "goals" key could probably be done in {{abbr}} to make them tooltip, like I've seen used in other hockey articles. eg. GP Schmloof (talk) 01:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, done. Resolute 17:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Semantics, imo. It is still a list of players, but some players have multiple entries. Resolute 16:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This list is still about the players. Players with multiple seasons that fit the criteria will receive multiple entries, however. Resolute 01:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Oppose (for now) from Truco (talk · contribs)

General
  • Actually, ALT text was taken out of the FL criteria recently (see here). Mm40 (talk) 20:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
True, though according to the FL directors this change is temporary and "there's no reason why you shouldn't add alt text should you feel sufficiently capable of doing so." [2].—Chris!c/t 02:32, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I realized afterward that I forgot alttext (again). I'll be adding it in. Resolute 16:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabs, contributors, and external links all check out fine.
Lead
  • Do not bold what is not the title directly, per WP:MOSBOLD
  • Is it correct to say in 1944-45 and not in the 1944-45 season?
  • When discussing historical events, it is typical to simply refer to the season by its years alone. IMO, "1944-45" is no better or worse than "1944-45 season", except that I would prefer not to have a couple dozen instances of the word "season". Resolute 16:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • 50-goal seasons were relatively common in the 1970s and 1980s as offense increased across the league but have declined in frequency since the mid 1990s. -- mid 1990s should have a dash in between
  • The introduction of the centre red line and permission of forward passing out of the defensive zone in 1943 dramatically increased scoring;[3] Six players scored 30 goals in 1943–44, the first time in league history so many players reached that total in one season. -- Six should not be capitalized
  • Phil Esposito scored 50 goals in five consecutive seasons in the 1970s, led by a then NHL record 76 goals in 1970–71 -- 1)period is needed 2)dash between 'then' and 'NHL record'
  • Bossy, who had set a league rookie scoring record with 53 goals in 1977–78, surpassed the 50-goal mark in each of his first nine NHL seasons. -- dash between rookie and scoring
  • A record 14 players scored 50 goals in 1992–93.[16] Among them was Teemu Selanne, who scored 76 goals as a rookie, surpassing Bossy's record for first year players by 23 goals. -- dash between first and year
  • Brett Hull scored 50+ goals five times in the 1990s, --> Brett Hull scored over 50 goals five times in the 1990s,
  • Only five players reached the 50 goal mark between 1999 and 2004: Pavel Bure twice, Joe Sakic, Jaromir Jagr, Jarome Iginla and Milan Hejduk. --> Only five players reached the 50 goal mark between 1999 and 2004: Pavel Bure twice, Joe Sakic, Jaromir Jagr, Jarome Iginla and Milan Hejduk all achieved it once.
  • Five players topped 50 in 2005–06, however it has since remained rare for a player to achieve this milestone. --> Five players scored 50 in 2005–06; however, it has since remained rare for a player to achieve this milestone.
Key
  • Can you not make the key into a small table, like in other FLs?
Images
  • "Rocket" Richard was the NHL's first 50 goal scorer dash between 50 and goal
  • Vincent Lecavalier scored 52 in 2006–07 you may as well say 52 goals
References
  • Publisher for CNN/SI: CNN is the publisher but the work comes from SI, also be consistent with the naming of all these publishers because you have them set differently throughout the reference section.--Truco 503 19:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree on CNN/SI. The website is a partnership between the two, and the online content does not typically originate from either individually. I'm willing to change it, but I think publisher=CNN/SI is preferable. Could you elaborate on what you believe is inconsistent about the publishers? Resolute 16:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All should be fixed, save what I commented on directly. Thanks! Resolute 16:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref #11 is what I meant by the inconsistency. Not neccesarily, CNN publishes the magazine on their site (hence the sportsillustrated.cnn.com) and at the bottom of the site it does say copyright CNN.--Truco 503 01:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 11 is from a Sports Illustrated article itself, reproduced on SI's vault website. CNNSI doesn't re-publish SI's magazine content. Their online content is separate, and is CNN and SI's effort to compete with ESPN for online sports coverage. Resolute 01:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "50-goal seasons were relatively common...". Don't believe sentences should start with numbers like this.
  • Don't need two 50 goals in 50 games links in the main section. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ack! Someone snuck that second link in right under my nose... Both should be fixed, give or take a dash, since I have no clue if it should be there or not when joining two words. Resolute 02:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Perhaps the number of times a player reached the milestone should be given it's own column, then one would be able to quickly find out which players scored 50 in a certain amount of seasons. Also, would it be possible to add some kind of indicator of which players led the league in goals scored to the table? Yes, one can figure that out already, but some kind of indicator would help. If not, I think the Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy should be mentioned somewhere in the history section. Otherwise, great work. -- Scorpion0422 21:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had thought about highlighting league leaders, but decided that that effectively duplicates content at the Richard Trophy article. I wonder if other reviewers have an opinion on that? Certainly open to adding it. Putting number of times reached could be moved to a separate column, but would having a sort that basically goes Bossy (9), Gretzky (9), Bossy (8), Gretzky (8), Bossy (7), Gretzky (7), etc add any benefit? I'll have to contemplate how to discuss the Richard trophy... but will be when I have more time. For now, I've just thrown it into a see-also section, since it does have considerable relevance to the topic. Resolute 21:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, I am not a big fan of using multiple different highlights for different tidbits. imo, highlighting active players is of greater relevance than highlighting league leaders, especially since not every season has a leader >50. Resolute 21:42, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 14:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Lead image caption needs a period.
  • I know the history section is a good length, but a single paragraph lead just feels really lightweight.
  • "Joe Malone scored 44 goals for the Montreal Canadiens – in 20 games – in the NHL's inaugural season of 1917–18. It was a record that stood nearly 30 years.[2] " merge so "18, a record that stood..."
  • "dramatically" seems a little POV, especially since you've just mentioned a guy who got 44 in the inaugural season, and after said "dramatic" increase you mention six guys who just made it over 30...
  • " averaged a goal per game in" if we don't know how many games he played, this is meaningless...
  • " 50 goal mark" or "50-goal mark" - be consistent.
  • All the images with complete sentences for captions need periods.
  • Does "Rocket" have a citation?
  • "however it has since remained rare for a player to achieve this milestone" not too sure about this. Six players in the last three seasons doesn't seem that rare to me.
  • Ref 19 - New York Times should be The New York Times.

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • All should be addressed. The addition of the Rocket Richard trophy in the history should take care of the citation for the "Rocket" nickname. Resolute 01:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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