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Welcome to the New Zealand Railways (NZR) WikiProject!

This project was established to facilitate co-operation with regards to Wikipedia's coverage of New Zealand's national railway network. Recognising the unique facets of this isolated rail system, this project seeks to enhance and expand coverage wherever possible while fostering closer communication between participants.

Please note that we have an NZR Manual of Style for articles related to New Zealand's railways; it seeks to provide guidance on matters of notability and style for all editors of articles on related topics.

Taieri Gorge Railway at Wingatui Viaduct, Otago, New Zealand.

Goals[edit]

  • To expand coverage of NZR by creating articles on all relevant encyclopaedic topics that do not currently have articles.
  • To enhance the standard of currently existing articles through the addition of information, pictures, maps, and anything else pertinent.
  • To provide information of a high calibre; detailed, well referenced, well written, precise, and accurate.
  • Establish guidelines for articles related to NZR.

Scope[edit]

This project's scope encompasses all articles related to rail transport in New Zealand. Although its name is "WikiProject NZR", it also covers the Wellington and Manawatu Railway, other NZR-era private operators, and NZR's provincial predecessors and privately owned successors.

Members[edit]

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Please add your name below if you are interested in joining our group.

Current issues requiring attention[edit]

Railway preservation in New Zealand[edit]

Patronage Data[edit]

  • Within the last day or two, the station data for Auckland's Southern Line has been changed. The 2010 boarding data has been replaced with 2011 data that includes both boarding and alighting. Although it is good to have more up-to-date information, the problem is that it is measured differently to the other data (which could potentially confuse people into making unfair comparisons), and this new data is only available for the Southern Line. So, should the new data be deleted because it could cause confusion, should it be left as is, or should it be left, but with different wording to prevent confusion? Videomaniac29 (talk) 04:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, some station's articles still use 2009, when the 2010 is available. Videomaniac29 (talk) 03:46, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

W&MR[edit]

  • Whether Wellington and Manawatu Railway Company should be moved to "Wellington and Manawatu Railway", with the current title used for the actual company and the Company-less title used for information about the origins, development, and operation of the actual railway. See the talk page.

This issue has been taken care of with the separate articles for Wellington and Manawatu Railway Company and Wellington - Manawatu Line.

Auckland lines[edit]

Agreed, the Auckland lines could certainly be split like Wellington, with Hutt Valley Line which is part of the Wairarapa Line and Paraparaumu Line which is part of the NIMT

The main lines articles would be mainly historic, while the suburban articles would be largely cover proposed improvements and upgrades. It would also reduce the lengths of some of the articles! PS: Need to add to the Rail Line Navigation Box Eastern Line, Auckland, Western Line, Auckland (currently a redirect) and Southern Line, Auckland?

Lyttelton Line[edit]

For Lyttelton, how about turning the present Lyttelton rail tunnel article into an article on the Lyttelton Line also (ie Redirect), as there is hardly enough for two articles, apart from the difficulty of separating it out! PS: Is the Lyttelton Line regarded as part of the Main South Line as stated; it seems more like a branch line to me?

First; I don't agree that the Lyttelton Tunnel article should be removed simply because of the current poor state of the article under that name, for several reasons:
  • It is not the only article on railway tunnels in New Zealand (e.g. Otira and Rimutaka), which though not in of itself establishing notability for this particular subject, does mean that there is at least precedent.
  • The Lyttelton Tunnel is notable for various reasons, including being the first railway tunnel in New Zealand.
  • The current article could be expanded with additional information, given access to the appropriate sources (a simple search of Archway lists many files with potentially useful information).
Second; that which is referred to as the "Lyttelton Line" is indeed the portion of the Main South Line from Lyttelton to Christchurch. It is not, and has never been, a branch. The Main South Line by definition (Notice of Final Decision to Assign Place Names) starts in Lyttelton and terminates in Invercargill. I have previously questioned the purpose of a Lyttelton Line article myself; other users are of the belief that this line is sufficiently notable to warrant its own article. -- Matthew25187 (talk) 11:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I am essentially with Matthew on this one. The Lyttelton tunnel is certainly notable - the real problem here is that there is no article for the Kaimai tunnel! The other major tunnels are covered, but bizarrely not that one. Where I disagree is with regards to a Lyttelton Line article; I believe it should be done, for two primary reasons: firstly, until 1972, it was a distinct suburban route and deserves the same coverage as the Auckland and Wellington suburban lines; secondly, it was and to a degree still is quite operationally distinct from the rest of the MSL, and treating it separately follows the precedent of separating the Hutt Valley Line and Rimutaka Incline from the Wairarapa Line as a whole. - Axver (talk) 11:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
"the real problem here is that there is no article for the Kaimai tunnel! The other major tunnels are covered, but bizarrely not that one."
This most egregious oversight has been rectified.  :-) -- Matthew25187 (talk) 04:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC) PS: Good article. Was it built by the MOW, not by a contractor? Hugo999 (talk) 13:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The majority of the work was carried out by the MOW, though the concrete track bed was laid by a private contractor. -- Matthew25187 (talk) 21:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC) The Ministry of Works is worth mentioning in the Kaimai Tunnel article I think? But not "Bob the Builder" though he helped, see his article Bob Clarkson MP! 03:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
There is now an article for the Lyttelton Line so you may judge for yourself whether or not there is sufficient information on the subject. I'm sure there probably is more information I could add with the appropriate source material, but I think the current article is a good start. HTH. -- Matthew25187 (talk) 09:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I wasw not proposing that the Lyttelton Tunnel article be removed but that the Lyttelton Line redlink be redirected to it! The early history of the line - whether, when and how it should be built - is the history of the tunnel. The operation as a suburban line could be seperated out later. Hugo999 (talk) 13:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Line templates[edit]

I've raised this issue on both the Paraparaumu Line and Johnsonville Branch articles - the project needs to standardise the templates we use. In my view the project should stick to the standard rail templates. --Lholden (talk) 19:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Rail privatisation in New Zealand[edit]

The article Rail privatisation in New Zealand is an unreferenced and orphaned stub at the moment. This is a pretty big topic, especially with the recent acquisition by the government of Toll's operations, and there is plenty of material that belongs in the article.

I think this article won't add anything to the WikiProject - apart from bringing together information already on the New Zealand Railways Department, NZRC, Tranz Rail, ONTRACK and Toll Rail articles. --Lholden (talk) 03:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I personally think that would be a good idea. At the moment, the information on the privatisation/re-nationalisation process is all over the place, and not terribly accessible or easily followed for a casual reader. A central article clarifying the process would, I think, be of quite considerable benefit. - Axver (talk) 03:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Article references to rail operator[edit]

There are numerous existing articles that make reference to Toll as the operator of the service/line/etc. These need to be updated to KiwiRail where appropriate. The easiest way to accomplish this is to go to Toll NZ/What links here and go through the list of articles to verify or update the references. – Matthew25187 (talk) 19:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Loco Manufacturers[edit]

I have added A & G Price and Scott Brothers (locomotive manufacturers) ie the two private manufacturers of steam locos for the NZR. However the Scott Bros article has been tagged for speedy deletion and I would appreciate some support on its talk page, as leaving out one manufacturer will leave a hole, even if they were less notable than some! ## OK now but more info on firm needed ##

Scott Brothers (locomotive manufacturers) just needs additional sources now! A & G Price has the totals for each class (5) of locos made there, which comes to 122, not the 123 total that Lloyd gives on page 139 of his Register. And the Price article needs something on Price Diesel locos? ## Price built 50 NZR A Class not 49 (+ 8 by NZR at Addington Workshops ##

The new steam locos total (81) for those built at Hutt Workshops (inc Petone) seem to add up to the 81 given in Lloyd (see table in New Zealand Railways Department, but the totals for Addington Workshops & Hillside Workshops need articles with numbers built for the remaining NZR steam locomotives to complete the numbers.

Station Names[edit]

Re station articles, have just noticed that for Auckland it is Avondale Train Station while for Wellington it is Raroa Railway Station! Train Station or Railway Station? PS: have completed the last major Workshops with new article Hutt Workshops. Hugo999 (talk) 06:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The reason for this discrepancy is explained in the Manual of Style for this project. -- Matthew25187 (talk) 07:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Photographs[edit]

The Auckland City Library has some good 'Heritage' photos to add as external links - the link works, though a very long search string??

Disregard; the search string for the Auckland City Library eventually times out, though the Christchurch City Library site is useable; see Addington Workshops. Hugo999 (talk) 11:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Open tasks[edit]

  • Create articles for all red links on {{NZR Lines}}
  • Create articles for all red links on {{NZR Locomotives}}
  • Create more maps to illustrate the routes of specific lines.
  • Add pictures of locomotives and lines in operation.

Templates[edit]

{{WikiProject NZR}} superceded by ;

{{TrainsWikiProject}}

Assessment[edit]

Additional website to use for photos etc[edit]

New page re new Wellington EMUs & new category[edit]

Added a new page with details of the NZR FM class; still to add infobox, and picture of new units obtained from GWRC.

Also have put Wairarapa Connection into Category:Named passenger trains of New Zealand as a (standard) subcategory of Category:Named passenger trains. This could supersede Category:Long-distance passenger trains in New Zealand Hugo999 (talk) 04:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

So it's official they'll be known as the FM class? --Lholden (talk) 05:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, according to the Official Information Request 2008/083 of 4 August 2008 “The new Matangi trains official class is F. The motor car will (be) FM and the trailer car will be FT.” I presume they will be Bo-Bo classification. The GWRC also supplied a file of the illustration of the EMUs for this article; so I think it will be fair use (OK on English Wikipedia); not free use, so cannot be on Wilkpedia Commons. Uploaded and added to the Infobox which Lcmortensen had added (thank you). This is the picture used in their public handouts. Hugo999 (talk) 10:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Goodo. It looks like Bo-Bo from the picture - although it would make more sense to create an articulated unit, I would've thought. --Lholden (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The Metlink News Issue 5 of April 2008 [1] refers to “two-car units joined by a large gangway so people can move easily between them”; ie presumably unlike the links on the existing units and at the front of the FM in the picture, which are intended for use by guards only. Hence I assume that in the middle each car has its own bogie and the two cars can be uncoupled; unlike the Fiat railcars or the EW locos with a single common bogie, a Jacobs bogie. Hugo999 (talk) 23:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Note that the date by the references from the GWRC or Metlink website (ie an official source, not a news source) on the FD page is the date of the press release/newsletter, not the date that it was retrieved, so should be shown as date of press delease or similar Hugo999 (talk) 00:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Urgent re Illustration[edit]

Re the illustration of the NZR FM class EMUs, this was provided by the Greater Wellington Regional Council for this article so I think counts as Fair Use (not Free Use). But it was tagged as requiring a tag. Reading the Wiki articles on Copyright and Image Copyright Tags which go on at great length about how they are a GOOD IDEA etc, I have attached a FAIR USE tag to the illustration but it seem this may not be enough Hugo999 (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Names Passenger Trains Catergory[edit]

Isn't this new Category:Named passenger trains of New Zealand category in effect duplicating the work already done on Named trains: New Zealand? – Matthew25187 (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes - Palmeriain (talk) 07:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

No: Named trains: New Zealand is a List not a Category, and is part of a series of National/Regional lists. The NZ trains are in Category:Named passenger trains - but most trains in this category are in subcategories by country which is what Category:Named passenger trains of New Zealand is. Alternatively Category:Long-distance passenger trains in New Zealand could be made a subcategory of Category:Named passenger trains instead, as it would then be accessible via the general categories on Rail Passenger Transport etc. Long-distance passenger trains etc is a unique NZ category Hugo999 (talk) 13:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Heritage railways in New Zealand[edit]

  • A new category which could be used for them; they are in "Rail Transport in New Zealand" at presenr: and would link them to category "Heritage railways by country Hugo999 (talk) 02:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

New Zealand Rail Ltd[edit]

Have redirected New Zealand Rail Ltd to Tranz Rail, to avoid Red Link in every NZ Rail Operating Companies box! Hugo999 (talk) 00:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

New Station articles[edit]

I have written Otaki Railway Station, Levin Railway Station, Shannon Railway Station and Palmerston North Railway Station, which are stops for the Capital Connection and (Levin, Palmerston North) the Overlander. Photos (except Shannon) would be useful, also Coordinates and Platform type details. Redirects were required from xxx Train Station on infoboxes to xxx Railway Station. And could someone please fix the infoboxes for the Capital Connection and Overlander (train), which are displaying some formatting commands on the route map (problem is beyond me). Hugo999 (talk) 10:50, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Named Passenger Trains[edit]

The only redlink template on the information box (see via Silver Fern) for named trains is for the Kiwi Lager Express. I can't recall this train; where and when did it run? And was there a steam train passenger service between Auckland and Hamilton before the Waikato Connection? Hugo999 (talk) 11:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

See also[edit]