Wikipedia talk:Non-free content

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how wikipedia operates[edit]

Change the positive sounding word: "fair use" into "non-free" The title of this article speaks volumes on the company culture of Wikipedia today - very closed and intolerant to new users.

I suggest a new more positive name, similar to fair use. Namecheapblues (talk) 19:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Non-free is the wording the WMF uses in the non-free media resolution Resolution:Licensing_policy. We also need to avoid "fair use" because non-free content is a stronger requirement than fair use, and do not want to give that impression that fair use is the requirement of the policy. --MASEM (t) 20:03, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
hello masem. WMF?
I understand your position clearly, a restricted smaller wikipedia. So much of the policing done by self appointed guardians of wikipedia is extremely harmful and detrimental in the long term. There are a million articles like this, more everyday. But you enjoy the power structure and support the underlying company culture, so you will justify away the decline of Wikipedia.
Just because less than a thousand core editors voted on a policy does not make it utterly absurd and corrosive to the overall project.
You get my underlying point?
Namecheapblues (talk) 13:22, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
One of the key things that Wikipedia operates on is that we are to be developing a free content encyclopedia - that's the WMF (Foundation's) goal, and since they pay the bills, that's what we have to go with too. Copyrighted images are detrimental to that. That's why the Foundation labels them in the negative as 'non-free' - that they are allowed in exceptional cases, but they should be avoided. It's not about a power struggle or the like, simple that we aim to keep the amount of non-free to a minimum. We don't operate under "fair use" though non-free policy is derived from that. And again, this is a mandate from the people that pay for WP's server space. --MASEM (t) 13:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • The bureaucracy surrounding the use of non-free images on Wikipedia is destructive to Wikipedia. There is a dizzying array of requirements that are codified, and an order of magnitude more that are not. It is essentially impossible for a new editor to Wikipedia to upload a non-free image and get it into an article without running into problems. There are people who will adamantly war against improper use of non-free images, and they have the weight of the WMF resolution, local policy and local guideline behind them. These patrollers of non-free content generate sometimes enormous quantities of ill will. This paradigm has been the norm for a decade now. Notwithstanding, the English Wikipedia now hosts more than half a million non-free media files. We have no way of ascertaining how many people have been run off of the project by this war. What is clear is the war has failed; it hasn't successfully stopped improper inclusion of non-free content nor even stemmed the tide, it has alienated certainly large swaths of editors, and it has detracted from the quality of the project in a number of ways.
  • As an aside, it is interesting to note that as Wikipedia declines, so do the number of people willing and able to be a non-free content patroller. Over the last few months, the non-free content violations and over usage have ballooned. I've written about decline topics before, and we're seeing a permutation of that now in non-free content patrolling. Even here on WT:NFC, where's seeing a drought of edits. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
500,000 to 4.7M articles is about a ratio of 1 to 10, which has been the ratio for the last several years considering WP article growth. The number of non-free may have increased, but as new articles are created, the potential for non-free usages allowed by the Foundation also increases, and as long as the ratio doesn't get out of control, that's not an issue. As long as we're working on being an open wiki that anyone can edit, patrolling non-free is always going to be an after-the-fact once the image is up, and still a requirement of the Foundation. --MASEM (t) 14:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • A stance frequently iterated by you, but has failed. It's interesting to observe, nonetheless. Before we get into an argument about whether it has failed or not, let met just state that (a) I'm not interested and (b) time is inexorably on my side, and the article linked above rather dramatically points this out. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:57, 27 March 2015 (UTC)