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Czechia yet again[edit]

Hi team. Once again there are editors reverting the few remaining instances of "Czechia". Whilst this is undoubtedly the WP:COMMONNAME, hence the title of this project and the main article, the real world also uses Czechia, so it makes sense for Wikipedia to reflect that by also allowing the few instances when it occurs. I raised this issue here and the consensus was that there should be no reverting either way. Can we please include a statement in the guidelines to that effect, so we don't waste time repeatedly going around the same buoy? It could say something like:

== Country name ==
Czech Republic is the usual name in English for the country and hence the appropriate title for the main article per WP:COMMONNAME. However, the alternative name "Czechia" is also used by some sources and editors may reflect that too. Editors should not change Czech Republic to Czechia or vice versa except to provide consistency within an article.

--Bermicourt (talk) 15:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

The term Czechia is bizarre in English by any measure (here is one). If Czechia becomes the dominant English term in the future some day, then you are welcome to use it. Doremo (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The only consensus I can see is against mass changes to Czechia. And, of course, I'm against mentioned proposal, because is unnecessary exemption from general rule.--Yopie (talk) 17:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

--To Bermicourt Your personal opinion or taste does have anything in common with the fact, that Czechia is an official geographical (or short-form, informal, etc.) name of the country. What about Illinois, Lithuania, Massachusetts, Saskatchewan, Utah, Chad, Ghana, Idaho, Zimbabwe and many others ? We miss using the standard name of our country in English. Our country is not only the republic, that has been existed since 1993, but also the country of our ancestors, where republican system has been existed only for short part of its history. More, "republic" is not proper noun, it is only denomination of the current political system in the country and using this political denomination in general (incl.historical) context is obviously clumsy and improper. We explained it many times in articles you deleted (thus, it is apparent, that administrators of Wikipedia deleted them without reading) and the need of the use of neutral denomination of our country is natural (that is why every other country with some tradition uses commonly short name and only in political documents is usually called by political name). How simple ! G.Kessel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.101.85.18 (talk) 08:08, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

"What about Illinois, Lithuania, Massachusetts, Saskatchewan, Utah, Chad, Ghana, Idaho, Zimbabwe[…]?" Those are the official and common names for those places. The Czech Republic is the equivalent of those, for this country. I haven't seen "Czech Republic" improperly used in a historical context anywhere on Wikipedia; if you have evidence to disagree, feel free to post it here. As for being a short form, I regret this may only be a personal experience, not backed up by significant sources (yes I'm sure you have a handful, but just a drop in the ocean). And by the way, all this discussion of "we explained it", etc. needs to stop too, as you are clearly pushing an agenda on behalf of a group. seemingly in contravention of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. I think this is the end of the conversation. C679 08:48, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think so. You are actually starting to make things up and need to pull your horns in. I never suggested that Czech Republic was "improperly used" nor have I mentioned "short form" and I am certainly not "pushing an agenda" for some mythical group. I'm simply suggesting that "Czechia" is not wrong and nor is Wikipedia if it reflects the real world by occasionally using it. Previous discussions appeared to go along with that line - but then every couple of months another editor comes along mass deleting it. A rather inconsistent situation, which we ought to resolve in a mature way. Bermicourt (talk) 07:55, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
@Bermicourt: Excuse me, please re-read my comments in their context, i.e. as a reply to IP user 88.101.85.18 and not addressed directly to you. Above all, please WP:AGF. Wishing you well, C679 17:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
@Cloudz679. Apologies. :) --Bermicourt (talk) 18:43, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
"Czechia" is not wrong and it is occasionally used (even at webpages of Czech Foreign Ministry, but usage of "Czech Republic" is far more frequent (22,6 mil. vs 0,19 mil. at Google Fight, 144 vs 1000+ at webpages of Czech Foreign Ministry. I think that all is clearly described at Name of the Czech Republic and thus using Czechia outside of this article is unnecessary confusing for Wikipedia readers. --Jklamo (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Well look, if the consensus is to prefer "Czech Republic" even though "Czechia" is not wrong, let's put some suitable words in the Guidelines so we waste no more time sailing around this buoy. My main contention was that what some editors were saying didn't match what others were, in fact, doing. Getting it in the guidelines will at least make it clear to us all. Bermicourt (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
This is still unresolved. We have User:Doremo mass deleting all instances of "Czechia" on Wikipedia, despite its occasional use in the sources, and still nothing in the guidelines stating either a) that both are acceptable, provided "Czechia" remains in the minority to reflect actual usage or b) Czechia is totally unacceptable (despite the sources that do use it) and every instance of it should be eliminated. --Bermicourt (talk) 18:58, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
The issue is fairly and accurately discussed at Name of the Czech Republic. This seems sufficient. Doremo (talk) 19:02, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
That's an article, not a Wikipedia policy, and it actually confirms that Czechia is used to an extent. Therefore it is not wrong and therefore you should not be erasing every single one of the (few remaining) occurrences here. But a policy statement based on consensus would help. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:34, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
"Reflection of actual usage" (per the stats here) would suggest using Czechia at every 119th mention of the country in any given article. Although fair, I don't think that would do anybody any good in terms of consistency. Doremo (talk) 19:42, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Great example of an ignoratio elenchi - where you shoot down something the other person wasn't proposing! Of course, we need consistency within an article. What I am suggesting is that having the occasional article with "Czechia" amongst dozens of others with "Czech Republic" isn't wrong and reflects reality, but there are mass deletionists removing all traces of the word. If the consensus here is that the mass deletionist are right and justified, then put it in your guidelines. Otherwise anarchy reigns. And, without guidelines, I am entitled to go and reverse all the changes (and I mean the changes only, not all the occurrences of "Czech Republic", that would be mass deletion in the opposite direction which I don't support either). --Bermicourt (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Doremo that the term "Czechia" is so scarcely used and "Czech Republic" so strongly preferred that we should strongly prefer it as well. I also cannot see any point in the term "Czechia" being scarcely dropped in the articles instead of being consistent. Some readers might have never come across the almost unused short version and might be confused. Whenever there is doubt which term is better, the publicly preferred one should be chosen. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 21:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
As an encyclopedia we should reflect usage. English usage is so overwhelmingly against Czechia that using it outside of actual discussions about the name does a disservice to our readers. Until the real world usage changes, we should not use Czechia in articles. --Khajidha (talk) 17:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Czech sources on the Japanese School in Prague?[edit]

Does anyone know of any good Czech newspaper articles or books about the Japanese School in Prague? I'm trying to find more sources for the article.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 20:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Růžena Grebeníčková[edit]

Wonder if someone here could take a look at Růžena Grebeníčková for notability and general improvement please. FeatherPluma (talk) 16:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@FeatherPluma: I would say she was notable, the Czech article contains quite extensive list of off-line sources that look reliable (mainly the obituaries in Česká literatura and Literární noviny). Also, her profile at the website of the Czech Literary Translators' Guild suggests that she was a notable translator. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Category discussions[edit]

Since 31 March there are a couple of Czech history categories listed for discussion, starting with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_March_31#Category:Bohemian_noble_titles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)